From: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org (headline-girl-digest) To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: headline-girl-digest V4 #192 Reply-To: headline-girl@smoe.org Sender: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk headline-girl-digest Friday, August 24 2001 Volume 04 : Number 192 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: GV review at ChartAttack [petracotes@canoemail.com] oac: cool website [dana wagner ] RE: GV review at ChartAttack [Songbird22@aol.com] RE: GV review at ChartAttack [Jason Schneider ] Yes, but EYE loved it! ["J.Daniels" ] Re: Now trashes GV ["Robert Tittel" ] Re: Now trashes GV ["Julian C. Dunn" ] NOW ["J.Daniels" ] interview excerpt [rturingan@dico.com] GV release at Lee's Palace ["Miss Pir" ] Re: GV release at Lee's Palace ["J.Daniels" ] lee's [DChan1701@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:53:31 -0400 From: petracotes@canoemail.com Subject: RE: GV review at ChartAttack Jason said: >. tori, on the other >hand, has just picked some songs out of the air to interpret for her >fans/pocketbook. if emm were going commercial then we'd see her >singing >something gawd awful like 'hit me baby one more time' or getting a >whole lot >of production going on like tori. waaait a second. Since when did "a whole lot of production" become synonymous with "commercial"? if you follow that kind of guideline, you might as well write off the Yorke/Bjork innovation machine as well tori did not select these songs randomly. They were songs that fit her creative vision and the concept of the album. she heard "Bonnie and Clyde" and wondered where the wife was. she wanted to rework the music so it was from a woman's standpoint- and each woman was characterized by the song. and just to remind you, Public has some pretty slick production on it. -lucas Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: dana wagner Subject: oac: cool website hey all, for those itching to discover some good new indie music, check out this cool website: www.auralgasms.com some of ya might already know of it. there are TONS of amazing artists to check out on there... listen to soundclips, read user reviews, rate the artists yourself, check out tour dates and other similar artists. emm is on there as well as several others we know and love, and many more you all should know and love. jess weiser tricia concepcion cameron dezen andrea florian moe loughran kristin cifelli holly miranda sam shaber edie carey tegan and sara martina sorbara and more... ===== http://www.aquezada.com/dwagner Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:08:01 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: RE: GV review at ChartAttack Yeah, I kind of don't agree with the "more produced"=more commercial thing either. As well, I don't think it's unfair to assume that Tori did her record for the sake of her pocketbook... I think perhaps her husband (who is her engineer) has influenced her records a lot because the past few records have had a more full, produced sound. We have no idea what her motivation was to make the record unless she's talked about it... from what I understand she did it because she was extremely inspired... and Tori has done a lot for the community (aka RAINN) which imho was a completely selfless, inspiring act--to begin an incredible organization like that and continue to be involved with it... i've never been a huuge tori fan by the way, but I have some friends who are and I do own several of her albums... jess ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:09:50 -0400 From: Jason Schneider Subject: RE: GV review at ChartAttack you've contradicted yourself by saying production was not commercial then mentioned Public. a commercial album. don't get me wrong, i don't have a problem with a polished studio masterpiece, especially from tori since i do like her music. most of my cds are commercial. my point was only that GV is not for the commercial public per say, but for fans who are used to hearing those songs live and at their bare minimum. 'stripped down' yet perhaps reaching new fans in the process. as far as tori goes. i have noticed a progression in her music as she has become more popular and it's more produced. i'm aware of how she was 'interpreting' the songs she chose for her cover album, however, my point here was only that emm has shared these songs with us over the years and basically they are for us. there is nothing wrong with tori choosing the songs she did. i just feel more of a kinship with emm's choices. i didn't mean to mud sling at anyone. sorry if it sounded that way. jay > ---------- > From: petracotes@canoemail.com > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:53 AM > To: headline-girl@smoe.org > Subject: RE: GV review at ChartAttack > > Jason said: > >. tori, on the other > >hand, has just picked some songs out of the air to interpret for her > >fans/pocketbook. if emm were going commercial then we'd see her > >singing > >something gawd awful like 'hit me baby one more time' or getting a > >whole lot > >of production going on like tori. > > waaait a second. Since when did "a whole lot of production" become > synonymous with "commercial"? if you follow that kind of guideline, > you might as well write off the Yorke/Bjork innovation machine as well > > tori did not select these songs randomly. They were songs that fit > her creative vision and the concept of the album. she heard "Bonnie > and Clyde" and wondered where the wife was. she wanted to rework the > music so it was from a woman's standpoint- and each woman was > characterized by the song. > > and just to remind you, Public has some pretty slick production on it. > > > -lucas > Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:23:49 -0400 From: Michael Keast Subject: Now trashes GV Did Emm do something recently to upset Tim Perlich at Now magazine? Here's what he has to say about Girl Versions: "Pixie-voiced local charmer Emm Gryner would've been better off keeping her piano-bar covers concept as a limited-run cassette. Here, the ever-earnest Gryner humourlessly attempts to unearth the hidden soul of Blur's Pavement-rip Song 2 and Stone Temple Pilots' Red Kross "homage" Big Bang Baby, and to expose the deeper truth of Def Leppard's Pour Some Sugar On Me. But what this tedious exercise ultimately reveals are the severe limitations of Gryner's interpretive skills and of her record collection." Ouch... ************************************************* Mike Keast (michael.keast@giffels.com) http://www.geocities.com/dtswd/ http://www.live365.com/stations/260845 "i don't care if they eat me alive i've got better things to do than survive" ************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:25:00 -0400 From: "J.Daniels" Subject: Yes, but EYE loved it! Check out the much more sensible review and interview in EYE magazine. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:30:26 -0400 From: "Robert Tittel" Subject: Re: Now trashes GV "But what this tedious exercise ultimately reveals are the severe limitations of Gryner's interpretive skills and of her record collection." Yes, but what this author failed to realize about Emm's "record collection" is that not only does it include such pop-metal 80's acts as Def Leppard, but she also reaches down and pulls out some obscure gems by Fugazi, Death Cab, and Robert Wyatt. Severe limitations, my ass. That is the beauty of GV, in my opinion, is that it has the popular well known songs covered as well as introducing the listener to some new sounds. I myself would have never known of Death Cab for Cutie or bothered to check out their AMAZING sounds had I not heard Emm's brilliant cover of For What Reason first. And who on this list knew anything about Robert Wyatt before hearing Emm's beautiful rendition of "Sea Song", or her heart wrenching version of Nick Cave's "Straight to You". Yeah, her record collection has SUCH "severe limitations". We should all have such variety in our music catalogues. Amazing how reviewers can pick out one or two songs and trash the whole album based on these. I wonder if he even listened to the rest of the CD? Just weighing in.... Rob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JERICHO TWO Do you have a T1/DSL/Cable connection? Then listen to my internet radio station, Jericho Two, at: http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=piggio New adds this week: Anne E. DeChant - From the Fields Rayanne - Great Lengths Jessica Weiser - The Deconstruction of David's Wall The Eels - Mr. E's Beautiful Blues Creeper Lagoon - Dreaming Again Jonatha Brooke - Linger Heather Nova - London Rain Remy Zero - Hermes' Bird Melissa Ferrick - Fear and Time & Particular Place to Be R.E.M. - The Lifting Steven Malkmus - The Hook Joseph Arthur - Invisible Hands Death Cab for Cutie - Song for Kelly Huckaby Weezer - Photograph Lapdog (feat. former members of Toad the Wet Sprocket) - See You Again Mike Farley Band - Iowa and many more.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Keast To: 'headline-girl@smoe.org' Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: Now trashes GV >Did Emm do something recently to upset Tim Perlich at Now magazine? Here's >what he has to say about Girl Versions: > >"Pixie-voiced local charmer Emm Gryner would've been better off keeping her >piano-bar covers concept as a limited-run cassette. Here, the ever-earnest >Gryner humourlessly attempts to unearth the hidden soul of Blur's >Pavement-rip Song 2 and Stone Temple Pilots' Red Kross "homage" Big Bang >Baby, and to expose the deeper truth of Def Leppard's Pour Some Sugar On Me. >But what this tedious exercise ultimately reveals are the severe limitations >of Gryner's interpretive skills and of her record collection." > >Ouch... > > >************************************************* >Mike Keast (michael.keast@giffels.com) >http://www.geocities.com/dtswd/ >http://www.live365.com/stations/260845 > >"i don't care if they eat me alive >i've got better things to do than survive" >************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:56:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: Re: Now trashes GV On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Michael Keast wrote: > Did Emm do something recently to upset Tim Perlich at Now magazine? Here's > what he has to say about Girl Versions: I'd personally disregard anything Tim Perlich has to say about anything, because it seems that his schtick is just to trash everyone and everything. In all the time I've been reading NOW magazine, I've yet to see him say anything nice about anyone. I don't honestly know why he's still employed there. Readers have complained in the past. - - Julian - -- [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] [ "and out of your mouth comes a stream of cliches/ but i have given you ] [ so much rope you should have been hanging for days" -- aimee mann ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:21:03 -0400 From: "J.Daniels" Subject: NOW At least the Local Spotlight feature is nice..... Hey Tim Perlich, quit hatin' - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:30:45 -0400 From: rturingan@dico.com Subject: interview excerpt Here is an excerpt from the interview I did with Emm yesterday at lunch for a feature on indievoice.com Rannie: You are an accomplished songwriter, What was your inspiration to do a covers album at this point instead of a studio album? Emm: I think over the years, I have been putting a cover in a set now and again, and people have responded so positively to them, that suddenly there were 25 or 30 cover songs to choose from and I just felt it was the right time to do a covers album. I find that when you do other peoples songs, you learn so much about song writing Sometimes people see it as a weakness to do a cover song, but if you interpret it the right way, you really learn a lot from it. R: Why boy songs as opposed to girl songs? E: I think it is more interesting to cover songs by people of the opposite sex. I think it hits a little too close to home when you cover, well I found anyway when you cover female singers. I actually like to try to change things to make them a little more extreme and if you take a song that people would never expect a female to sing then people get squirrelly. R: So how did you decide what covers to use for the album? E: I think it was just songs that I felt I had a connection with, cause I did kind of run down a list of covers and there were so many. I thought about crowd reaction and how they have gone over in the past and obviously some are favorites and then there were some which I thought great songs like "the day we hit the coast." It's an amazing song that people might not be able to see the subtly in that song they way it is done by thrush hermit. R: How long does it usually take you to make a song your own once you have decided that you want to cover a certain song, especially the arrangement and such? E: That's a good question. Usually not long, and if it takes a long time I feel like maybe I shouldn't try it with this one. Actually there was this Fugazi song that I was going to do called "Bulldog Front" and that's on the same album as "Waiting Room" and it was just taking me a really long time to get it to feel right and I realized that's not the song I should be doing. I should be doing "Waiting Room." So usually maybe 15 to 20 minutes. But I mean that the sort of overall arrangement and little core progressions and stuff I guess I work on that for a little bit longer. Expect to read the rest of the feature on indievoice.com at the beginning of september. Accompanied by a few new pictures of Emm. Cheers Rannie http://www.rannieturingan.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:36:26 From: "Miss Pir" Subject: GV release at Lee's Palace Hi Everyone, I was wondering if any of you are coming to Emm's CD release party at Lee's Palace tonight..??? I have been waiting for this for ages...no ones picking up at the club so I was wondering if any of you know what time the tickets go on sale....??? Thanks! Regards,Miss Pir - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:55:13 -0400 From: "J.Daniels" Subject: Re: GV release at Lee's Palace Doors open at 9pm - no advance tickets. >Hi Everyone, I was wondering if any of you are coming >to Emm's CD release party at Lee's Palace tonight..??? I have been >waiting for this for ages...no ones picking up at the club so I was >wondering if any of you know what time the tickets go on sale....??? >Thanks! 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