From: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org (headline-girl-digest) To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: headline-girl-digest V3 #144 Reply-To: headline-girl@smoe.org Sender: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk headline-girl-digest Friday, June 2 2000 Volume 03 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Lilith '98 sampler on ebay [Paul Schreiber ] Re: one more napster comment ["James McGarry" ] [SEC] Who's HammyCD on Napster? [JODEL JIMENEZ ] OAC: J. Arthur, A. Stochansky ["Mark Urban" ] Re: The NURSE Project? [dwagner@sas.upenn.edu (Dana Wagner)] Re: J. Arthur, A. Stochansky ["James McGarry" ] Re: Speaking of Holly Palmer... [Songbird22@aol.com] Re: Speaking of Holly Palmer... [dwagner@sas.upenn.edu (Dana Wagner)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:02:10 -0700 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: Lilith '98 sampler on ebay Lauren wrote: >This is that CD they gave out with Acid on it. A lot of other really good >stuff too. I know Dido and Bic Runga are on there. I think it's way better >than any of the official Lilith releases. Anyway, thought you guys might >be interested. Only a couple days left. Yeah, and look who's selling it, too. :-) (no spoilers here...) Paul shad 96c / 3B CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. "Nobody gets into heaven without a glowstick" -- Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:29:37 -0400 From: "W. L. Estes" Subject: Re: [NEC] but read anyway.. Metallica sucks. > You're confusing the issues here -- you have a legal obligation to > protect your trademark, or you lose it, but that's not the case for > copyright. ah, thanks Paul. But an undefended copyright would be harder to defend in the future, yes? - --Will ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:38:44 -0400 From: "W. L. Estes" Subject: Re: one more napster comment > there is no way it costs $24.99 ever to record, produce, manufacture, > promote and distribute a CD unless you blow the budget all the way along the > line... even at $14.99 the Industry is making a good profit. The thing is, A friend and I sat down one day and did some back of the envelope calculations on what it would cost to make and distribute cds. we assumed that we already had the music recorded in digital form. using some excessively round (read "we overestimated a bit") numbers, we figured that we could burn, print labels for and ship a cd for about $4.25 u.s. the calculations didnt include the initial startup costs of buying the burner (and enclosing computer or dedicated cd duplicator, but those are minimal if you think you'll get anything resembling a decent volume), printer, etc. etc. we calculated the "marginal" cost of burning a cd, if you're into that sort of terminology. so charging $15 for a cd would split $5 for costs (rounding again...), $5 for the artist and $5 for my greedy hands. > they would make piles more if they microcharged. Want a song, in MP3? Why > wait to see if it shows up on Napster, sell an average copy of it (around > the 1Mb/minute range) with high bandwidth and charge a quarter or less and > sell custom CDs. Geez. I'm thinking that a lot of this kurfufle is because hmm, i thought someone was doing the pay $.99 for a song and download it or somesuch...? seems like the place had a "you can prepay for 50 songs" as well. > the majors are locked into an old business paradigm... a new paradigm needs > to have more money to the artist (they are the ones after all 'laying the > golden eggs'), faster distribution to the customer with greater choice of > media. Will they take a hit? Yeah, in the short term, but I think what > they'll lose in per sale, they'll make up for in volume... ..but hey, what > do I know? :-) hmm, but then music couldnt be used for the propaganda tool that it is now? come on, James, where would that leave us? - --Will ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:13:56 -0400 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: one more napster comment - ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. L. Estes" Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 8:38 AM > figured that we could burn, print labels for and ship a cd for about > $4.25 u.s. the calculations didnt include the initial startup costs of If you had the volume I think you could get the physical costs to well under $2. And the artist is getting $1-2 dollars... that's between $3-4 dollars. The rest is advertising, distribution and profit. For a CD that's $24.99 or even $14.99... > hmm, i thought someone was doing the pay $.99 for a song and download > it or somesuch...? seems like the place had a "you can prepay for 50 > songs" as well. CDuctive, eMusic and a couple of other companies have those... but .99 is a tremendous amount of money considering, no media, the download infrastructure is subsidized, the storage costs are low and the customer is doing all the work from the point after advertising... Epitonic is better, a lot of free and a lot in the $.25 range... people will pay that rather than steal it... you have to find the price break where more people will pay for the bandwidth/availability/download confidence (i.e. that it _is_ that song and it's of good quality) than will wait around to steal it. I think that price break maybe in the $0.05 to $0.25 range. Where do you make your money? Well, sell more songs, more live songs, higher quality charges (e.g. $0.05 for a 96kbps song and $0.10 for a 128kbps song), more merch, and volume, volume, volume. After all, media and shipping, stocking and retail costs also eat up a lot of the profit... > hmm, but then music couldnt be used for the propaganda tool that it is > now? come on, James, where would that leave us? :-) Actually I know several artists using their music for propaganda, and I mean that in the 1920's sense of the word (note: check out Noam Chomsky) as a positive force. You can still use music the way you always have, the majors just need to dump their media fixation. James. (Who's now wondering if an MBA is in his future... LOL) ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jun 00 14:14:37 EDT From: JODEL JIMENEZ Subject: [SEC] Who's HammyCD on Napster? Sorry this is being broadcast to the entire western world, but could 'HammyCD' on Napster please write me... thanks and sorry again everyone Jodel, currently obsessed with "Survivor"! ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:27:39 -0700 From: "Mark Urban" Subject: OAC: J. Arthur, A. Stochansky I saw the show last night in n.y.c. and Joseph and Andy were both amazing.... http://www.josepharthur.com http://www.andystochansky.com Go see them...... Joseph dates coming up: June 2, 2000 (Friday) - The Grog Shop Cleveland, OH June 3, 2000 - Clutch Cargo's and Mill Street Entry Pontiac, MI Here's a writeup I found about Joseph live: "Joseph Arthur is a solo guitarist/vocalist who uses a real-time sampler which records short 16 - 32 bar recordings on command, and loops them continuously. A good portion of his live show is him recording these initial loops in front of awe-struck fans, then sings and plays his guitar over these intricate multi-layered loops. The sampler will pick up the signal put through by the guitar and "record" it to memory. The internal metronome will loop the sample accordingly, and then just like that, Mr. Arthur has a background to his music. He creates percussive backgrounds by "slapping" the body of his custom acoustic guitar, sending the percussive noise through the pickup under the bridge. This is a very unique way of performing live." Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:40:29 -0400 (EDT) From: dwagner@sas.upenn.edu (Dana Wagner) Subject: Re: The NURSE Project? i honestly thought emm was just completely joking around with us. resucitate me baby? c'mon! anyone else think this is a joke, and emm isn't revealing anything yet? i had a good laugh reading that. :) dana James McGarry wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:43 AM > > step 1: cool indie artist > > > > step 2: backup singer for 70's rock icon > > > > step 3: dress up like a nurse with 3 other chicks and sing sexy songs! > > I think it's fun and funny... another musician friend of mine is in a > transvestite glam-punk-a-billy band. > > James. > - -- Dana Wagner University of Pennsylvania, Class of 2000 http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dwagner * "music is the best solace to a troubled mind, for by it is peace and refreshment restored to the heart..." - martin luther ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:50:56 -0400 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: J. Arthur, A. Stochansky - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Urban" Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 4:27 PM from the review: > the bridge. This is a very unique way of performing > live." Interesting, perhaps. Unique, hardly, Kurt Swinghammer has been doing this for years. James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:38:47 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: Speaking of Holly Palmer... I got her little mailout postcard today and it mentioned she's moving to California... so if you're in NYC catch her while you can. I know I will! :) She's amazing!! Jess www.jessicaweiser.com | mp3.com/jessweiser ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:52:29 -0400 (EDT) From: dwagner@sas.upenn.edu (Dana Wagner) Subject: Re: Speaking of Holly Palmer... :( this sucks. i got the postcard too. just when holly is doing her last nyc shows, i am in california. and probably by the time she books shows out here (LA), i'll be back in nyc. the timing sucks. hmm... maybe i can arrange a job interview in nyc next friday. :) dana Songbird22@aol.com wrote: > > I got her little mailout postcard today and it mentioned she's moving to > California... so if you're in NYC catch her while you can. I know I will! :) > She's amazing!! > > Jess > > www.jessicaweiser.com | mp3.com/jessweiser > - -- Dana Wagner University of Pennsylvania, Class of 2000 http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dwagner * "music is the best solace to a troubled mind, for by it is peace and refreshment restored to the heart..." - martin luther ------------------------------ End of headline-girl-digest V3 #144 ***********************************