From: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org (headline-girl-digest) To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: headline-girl-digest V3 #143 Reply-To: headline-girl@smoe.org Sender: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk headline-girl-digest Thursday, June 1 2000 Volume 03 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Dawson's Creek [Casper320@aol.com] Re: [NEC] but read anyway.. Metallica sucks. [Paul Schreiber ] Re: one more napster comment ["W. L. Estes" ] Re: napstirr ["W. L. Estes" ] Re: The NURSE Project? ["James McGarry" ] Re: one more napster comment ["James McGarry" ] OAC: Dustin Rabin [rturingan@dico.com] Re: one more napster comment [Starfall18@aol.com] Re: one more napster comment ["W. L. Estes" ] Napster.....enough already. ["Alvin Mamuyac" ] Re: OAC/BST: Summer gigs... ["Andrea" ] ARGGGGG [Jes Moulton ] Lyrics to And Distrust It? [Starfall18@aol.com] Re: napstirr ["Julian C. Dunn" ] Lilith '98 sampler on ebay [Lauren M Schreibstein ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:26:21 EDT From: Casper320@aol.com Subject: Dawson's Creek Hi, I know this is my first time posting but anyway I am searching frantically for a tape of this! Last week I forgot to set the VCR to tape Dawson's Creek and I wasnt home to watch it. I missed the season finale! I am so angry! I would be more than happy to pay for the shipping and tape. Thanks, Adina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:27:23 -0700 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: [NEC] but read anyway.. Metallica sucks. Will wrote: >Distributing songs in mp3 format from Metallica's albums violates >their copyright. [snip] >But don't bitch at Metallica for fulfilling >their legal obligation to protect their trademark/copyright. You're confusing the issues here -- you have a legal obligation to protect your trademark, or you lose it, but that's not the case for copyright. Paul shad 96c / 3B CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. "OK, I'm having a Grateful Dead moment here. Bootleg the puppy." -- Joss Whedon, creator of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer," commenting on Buffy fans' tape trading, after The WB decided not to air the season finale of Buffy in the US. (The show aired in Canada.) USA TODAY, June 3, 1999 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:27:41 -0700 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: [NEC] More on MP3/Napster http://rock.yahoo.com/rock/music_news/launch/story.html?s=n/launch/rock/new s/20000530/20000530006 Motley Crue Joins Napster/Metallica Fight (5/30/00, 3 p.m. ET) - Motley Crue is the latest band to weigh in on the Napster controversy, but they're not exactly siding with Metallica. The Crue have joined forces with Camp Chaos Entertainment, the web-based animators that produced the "Napster BAD!" Metallica spoof that recently flooded the Internet. Together, they've produced "MetalliGreed," which features bassist Nikki Sixx, vocalist Vince Neil, and allegedly, guitarist Mick Mars sharing their opinions on Metallica's stance against Napster -- and by extension, the band's fans. In the clip, Sixx says, "You know, perhaps you guys have read about the controversy surrounding Napster and MP3 music on the Internet? You know, as far as we're concerned, it's all f---ing bulls--t." Sixx then continues, "You know, we've been in the music business long enough to know why bands like 'MetalliGreed' have taken such extreme measures to kill Napster and humiliate their fans. You know why? Two words -- summer tour." Neil, whose cartoon likeness is reading from a script, adds, "What a group of cranky, moody a--holes." After a pause while he scans the script, Neil goes on to say, "I mean, they employ a f---ed-up gimmick like a lawsuit to stir up press and media attention, just to promote their f---ing tour." Sixx then continues the point, while proving that Motley Crue has a sense of humor about the whole situation, when he says, "I mean, they're suing their fans to promote their tour. That's f---ing ass-backwards. What's next, Lars? What? A f---ing cheap-ass web cartoon to plug your tour? We'd never sink that low." During the cartoon, mention is made of the new Motley Crue album, New Tattoo, and their Maximum Rock 2000 tour with Megadeth and Anthrax. The tour dates, which kick off June 24 at the Sacramento Valley Amphitheatre near Sacramento, California, scroll over the screen at the end of the clip. On a slightly serious note, during the clip, Neil does says that Motley Crue supports the exchange of MP3 files using Napster and the Internet by fans of the band. - -- Bruce Simon, New York ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:43:32 -0700 From: Bob Subject: The NURSE Project? umm, am I the only one to wonder if Emm has lost her mind? ;) I had to check the date on this journal entry to see if it was April Fool's. http://www.emmgryner.com/cgi-bin/journal/journal.cgi?folder=journal&next=36 step 1: cool indie artist step 2: backup singer for 70's rock icon step 3: dress up like a nurse with 3 other chicks and sing sexy songs! oops, maybe Emm is going after the Britney thang??? :P (respectfully dubious) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:33:19 -0400 From: "W. L. Estes" Subject: Re: one more napster comment I'd just like to make my point clear: 1-- Metallica has every right to put the screws on napster and everyone who distributes their music without their permission. 2-- The current pricing structure for music distribution (i.e. price of cds, tapes, vinal) is patently absurd. 3-- if you purchase a cd or similar item, you have agreed to abide by the license/copyright on that particular album. 4-- the way out is to refuse to purchase such albums. - --Will ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:35:10 -0400 From: "W. L. Estes" Subject: Re: napstirr > So James, do you think that a tool like FreeNet -- which allows trading of any > kinds of files -- will be better off, legally speaking? I mean, you could argue > that in the broad scope of things, it'll just be a conduit for anything illegal > -- illegal MP3s, illegal videos, pirated software, etc. etc. freenet is also non-central in its administration/database, yes? that'd have to help lots i'd think. i.e. who are you gonna sue when there isnt a central party responsible? - --Will ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:34:23 -0400 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: The NURSE Project? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:43 AM > step 1: cool indie artist > > step 2: backup singer for 70's rock icon > > step 3: dress up like a nurse with 3 other chicks and sing sexy songs! I think it's fun and funny... another musician friend of mine is in a transvestite glam-punk-a-billy band. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:08:06 -0400 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: one more napster comment - ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. L. Estes" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 8:33 AM Subject: Re: one more napster comment > I'd just like to make my point clear: > > 1-- Metallica has every right to put the screws on napster and > everyone who distributes their music without their permission. > > 2-- The current pricing structure for music distribution (i.e. price > of cds, tapes, vinal) is patently absurd. It is you know. The artist gets so little, the majors take little risk, and there is no way it costs $24.99 ever to record, produce, manufacture, promote and distribute a CD unless you blow the budget all the way along the line... even at $14.99 the Industry is making a good profit. The thing is, they would make piles more if they microcharged. Want a song, in MP3? Why wait to see if it shows up on Napster, sell an average copy of it (around the 1Mb/minute range) with high bandwidth and charge a quarter or less and sell custom CDs. Geez. I'm thinking that a lot of this kurfufle is because the majors are locked into an old business paradigm... a new paradigm needs to have more money to the artist (they are the ones after all 'laying the golden eggs'), faster distribution to the customer with greater choice of media. Will they take a hit? Yeah, in the short term, but I think what they'll lose in per sale, they'll make up for in volume... ..but hey, what do I know? :-) James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:03:11 -0400 From: rturingan@dico.com Subject: OAC: Dustin Rabin I just wanted to let people know that Dustin Rabin will be showing some of his photography on August 6th at Insomnia here in Toronto. If you are in Toronto, you should definitely try to make it to this show. I am sure it will be a good one. Dustin is a photographer who used to live in Vancouver but in the past year has moved out here to Toronto. He also runs www.sodamag.com and is good friends with the lovely Emm Gryner. So come out and support him with his show. Cheers Rannie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:02:01 EDT From: Starfall18@aol.com Subject: Re: one more napster comment Will says: > 4-- the way out is to refuse to purchase such albums. Yeah...but then...if you get the napster counterpart (the mp3)...you're stealing, and then encouraging the other people to steal for you, if you follow your rules...either that or you just have no music...? dont' get me wrong, i love napster, i download like 2 songs a day, which is fast for my little 56Ker...but...i mean, yeah there is a copyright, and metallica does have every right...but not every right needs to be taken... why don't they just start taxing napster downloads!! yay!! emily... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:10:19 -0400 From: "W. L. Estes" Subject: Re: one more napster comment > Yeah...but then...if you get the napster counterpart (the mp3)...you're > stealing, and then encouraging the other people to steal for you, if you > follow your rules...either that or you just have no music...? well, in a word, it's your choice to participate in the agreement. but either be in or out. and if you're partly in, you lose any right to complain about anyone enforcing the terms of the agreement. > dont' get me wrong, i love napster, i download like 2 songs a day, which is > fast for my little 56Ker...but...i mean, yeah there is a copyright, and > metallica does have every right...but not every right needs to be taken... but they can. and have to--or else their claim to their copyright starts to erode. and then they could really lose out on all that money. :) > why don't they just start taxing napster downloads!! yay!! > ah, a brilliant idea :). > emily... - --Will ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:35:25 -0400 From: "Alvin Mamuyac" Subject: Napster.....enough already. Okay folks. I don't post much so I'm going to post and practice on my typing skills. Can we please end the Napster discussion. It's all over the news/internet/cnet/yahoo news/excite news etc.. I mean, come one. The reality is, Napster is out there, and us pondering it's existence, is like pondering why CRACK is out on the street. I agree with a lot of you, there is a copy right law, and we should all follow it (if we were decent human beings). But everyone breaks a law here and there. And Metallica has every right to scare us with there $100,000 fine they want to hit everyone with who admits they downloaded the file (yeah, like any of us is going to do that). But in all reality, it's a swinging door. One swing is against the Big Musicians (Metallica, Dr. Dre, Eminem, etc....). All these artists that are making money feel that they are getting screwed because of Napster. The other Swing is for the small artist, that are trying to make a name for themselves, around the area, the country and the world. Hoping they will get that lucky break and land that million dollar contract. Where do I stand, you might ask? I stand for the second swing. I don't care, how the big name musicians whine, and cry. At some point in there career, they were a small, little band, that could get a bar gig if there life depended on it. So what did they do? They gave there music out for FREE. Gave it to people on the streets, give it to Radio Stations, give it to bars, and even gave it to there parents to hand out. Now, I'm not saying that that's the same situation we have here, all I'm saying is that the Big Musicians are the ones with the record contracts, they're the one playing the HUGH arenas, they're the ones selling the merchandise, and they're the ones on MTV telling everyone how great thier CD is and why we should by it and buy there T-Shirts. Last time I checked, Musicians and bands go paid BIG TIME for playing a concert. The Small musicians are the ones that are hoping Napster can still be online tomorrow or the next day or the next month (my assumption). The small musician want to be heard from someone, if it was free. So people will buy there CD or there TAPE or come see them at the small venue that they are playing at. So, what am I getting at, you might ask? What I'm saying, is that if you want to follow copyright laws, like we all should, then don't download the songs. Then you won't get booted off napster. But don't let that discourage anyone from using it, because a lot of lesser known musicians are hoping you'll do a search for there name from mouth to mouth advertisement, and maybe purchase there CD. Now I know, this letter my offend some of you, and if it does, I'm sorry...but it's all an opinion. And I think I've heard/read the word NAPSTER so much in the last 5 days, that I think I won't need to hear that word again for a long time. Talk to you all soon. Alvin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:54:16 -0400 From: "Andrea" Subject: Re: OAC/BST: Summer gigs... > * July 29 & 30 - Hillside, Guelph - Dar Williams, Feist, The New Deal and now Ivana Santilli has been added to the Hillside lineup on July 28th...and yes Tab, she's also been re-scheduled for the Montreal Jazz Festival on July 5th and 6th. That week is turning out to be a good week for music, if I end up going to Montreal...but Emm's a little closer Ottawa a week later. Oh delimas...boo. ~Andy the Girl see me... http://home.istar.ca/~andyc/me "Fuck 'em all I say, they'll be sorry when the star buries the girl." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jes Moulton Subject: ARGGGGG Ok I now officaly am Locking myself up in my room. Two Weekends ago I got poison Ivy on my hand......so Last week I went to the DR. and Got meds. They Decided to give me stairoids. Well Now It went away and all. And Come this weekend I start getting a rash on my face. So today I go back to the DR. This time my normal DR. and they tell me I now have Poison Ivy on my Face. I'M SICK OF THIS. They Like putting me on Drugs. And I also have about 5 million projects and Finals to study for since they are in about 2 weeks....then No one will see me but my computer. It will be nice to me. Thanks for letting me rant Jes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:51:39 EDT From: Starfall18@aol.com Subject: Lyrics to And Distrust It? hey guys...break from this napster stuff...anyway, does anyone have the lyrics to And Distrust It? I have some (ahem) copies of it on tape, and i really like it, but i'm never good at figuring out lyrics...and if anyone, ya know, just has an extra copy lyin around...haha riight..thanks tho if anyone can help me out. :) emily ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: Re: napstirr On 31-May-2000 W. L. Estes wrote: >> So James, do you think that a tool like FreeNet -- which allows trading of >> any kinds of files -- will be better off, legally speaking? I mean, you >> could argue that in the broad scope of things, it'll just be a conduit for >> anything illegal -- illegal MP3s, illegal videos, pirated software, etc. >> etc. > > freenet is also non-central in its administration/database, yes? > that'd have to help lots i'd think. i.e. who are you gonna sue when > there isnt a central party responsible? Yes, that's right... there is no central administration, as far as I know. I think that at some point, the majors are just going to have to call off the lawyers and think of some other way to deal with the flow of illegal MP3s. As James alluded to, they will probably just have to change their business model, or risk going out of business. As hard drives grow in size, more people acquire CD burners and fast Internet connections, and as the number of programs like FreeNet proliferate, the situation is only going to get worse for the majors, not better. - - Julian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:22:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Lauren M Schreibstein Subject: Lilith '98 sampler on ebay This is that CD they gave out with Acid on it. A lot of other really good stuff too. I know Dido and Bic Runga are on there. I think it's way better than any of the official Lilith releases. Anyway, thought you guys might be interested. Only a couple days left. Lauren ------------------------------ End of headline-girl-digest V3 #143 ***********************************