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headline-girl-digest    Thursday, December 2 1999    Volume 02 : Number 288



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Emm Gryner.com                                         [rturingan@dico.com]
  more brown sugar                                       [rturingan@dico.com]
  URL Change                                             [rturingan@dico.com]
  a bit of an update on ME and more                      [rturingan@dico.com]
  Re: Death to Matt Galloway! (LONG)                         [Piggio@aol.com]
  Re: Death to Matt Galloway! (LONG)                     [Starfall18@aol.com]
  no emm content, just wanted to recommend something  [laura robeson <laurar]
  Re: That SF review...              ["Tab Siddiqui" <fumblefan@hotmail.com>]
  Re: no emm content, just wanted to recommend something <mini Emm schtuff>  [HulaCherry@aol.c]
  Re: That SF review...                       [Steve I <kamesan@bigfoot.com>]
  Re: http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0252.html  ["Julian C. Dunn" <jdunn@aque]

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:24:07 -0500
From: rturingan@dico.com
Subject: Emm Gryner.com

Well I just want to say,  that the official website is looking really good
lately.... Steve is doing a wonderful job, as usual. i really like the new
backgrounds and such.  And such an extensive links page.... can you tell I
am bored at work and at receptions and subbing to headline girl.. LOL

Great Job.  Hopefully Steve will get a chance to share some of the Photos I
sent him from the Trinity show (Thanks Joni). This will be on PUBLIC
EXPOSURE one of these days, when I get a chance to update the site and add
the pictures from all the Emm shows I have been to this summer... (hmm
maybe I will send Steve some pictures from the London show as well) (Thanks
to Joni Again) hmm while I am at it I should send Steve some photos from
the FEZ show, cause those are some of my best emm live shots to date.

It's been an EMMazing year... thanks to everyone.

Get ready to check out BROWN SUGAR (soon to be available at Tower Records
in Toronto. For a feature on Emm Gryner,  which also features photographs
of Emm from yours truly.

The official issue release party is gonna be on Dec 10th I believe, so the
issue should be out in store, after that. As well in their previous issue,
there is a review of Science Fair. I guess I will post that some time soon

Anyways... go check out BROWN SUGAR magazine... as far as I can tell it is
supposed to be a BIG feature in their mag, with a bunch of my photos in the
layout.... GEE can you tell I am excited?

Laters
Rannie

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:30:17 -0500
From: rturingan@dico.com
Subject: more brown sugar

hmmm  i just wanted to share this email I just got, when I  was writing the
previous

>the layout is very picture oriented. big pics. used
>all the ones u gave me. you'll just have to wait &
>see!

This quote is in regards to the layout of the article.....  WHOO HOO..
sounds good to me...  (before you all get too excited, The magzine is a
very small format, the size of a piece of paper folded in half... so the
pictures may be big, but won't be THAT big... either way... they are
printing it...  whoo hoo

If anyone is looking for this Mag... lemme know and I will see if I can get
my hands on some copies... I do know that the news stand price is 2
dollars, fairly inexpensive if you ask me. I know I will probably  grab a
BUNCH...(just because, but if their is enough of a demand, maybe I can
place a BIG order of them and get the distributed to anyone who wants one.

FYI: Brown Sugar is a filipino youth/ lifestyle magazine

Cheers
Rannie

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:15:07 -0500
From: rturingan@dico.com
Subject: URL Change

Hey Steve and other webmasters

I was doing more surfing on the net checking out everyone's Emm's Sites

If you are a webmaster and have my site linked can you change the URL to
the Public Exposure Site

it should be http://www.aquezada.com/~rannie/emm

The Emm site is no longer at my idirect server space

Cheers
Rannie

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:11:02 -0500
From: rturingan@dico.com
Subject: a bit of an update on ME and more

Sorry to any fumblers  on this ist whom already have gotten this.... I am
slowly cross posting this to all the mailing lists I am on.. too lazy to
write something original to every list...


Hey Guys

Okay this email is a little self-indulgent, hmmm what can I say, I am a
LEO,
and I love the attention (grin) be forewarned this email is long too.

As many of you know I took this weekend off and had myself a little
vacation. My end destination became Montreal, sorry to everyone who invited

me to their city to fumble, sorry I couldn't make it, especially to
Montreal
to see Tara, which was very much a possibility, which I decided not to
take,
besides I have been fortunate to see Tara a number of times this year
already.

My trip to Montreal was really fun though,  believe it or not I went with
my
ex-boyfriend, Frank, and by the end of it we both came out alive and didn't

kill each other (grin) I had a lot of fun, re-discovering Montreal and
checking out the Gay-ghetto in Montreal. On Saturday and Sunday Night, we
checked out one of Montreal's newest gay clubs, UNITY and had an AMAZING
time, my oh my were there a lot of cute boyz. I had a good taste of
Montreal, BUT at the same time, I didn't get a taste of Montreal, if you
know what I mean (take mind out of gutter rannie) On Sunday evening, we
also
went to the Casino and I had won 130 dollar on slots in the first 2 mins of

being in the place. Frank was still literally at the bank machine line when

I won. All in all it was a very good trip.

On Monday we drove back to Toronto.  On monday night I was supposed to go
out on a Kareoke date with a guy, Denis, but he cancelled on me due to some

family emergency.

On Tuesday I slept all day and then went to Chapters (book and music store,

kinda like Borders Books in the US) On Friday my boss had given me $125  in

Chapters gift certificates, so needless to say I went crazy at Chapters.
Although there were a few books I wanted to get, I opted to get a number of

CDs instead along with a Chapter membership card, which entitles me to a
10%
discount.

My cd purchase included the following CD

Jewel (the new Christmas album) Okay i don't care what people think about
Jewel, I like her and every year I like to pick up at least one or two new
Christmas cds, so this is my first Christmas cd purchase of the season.
(Starbucks also has a Christmas cd compilation that I may end up picking up

along with a Charlie Brown Christmas cd that I might get as well. I also
saw
that Rosie O'Donell Christmas cd, has anyone heard or bought this one? I am

thinking about getting it)

Natalie Merchant Live. Yep I picked this one up as well, pretty good stuff,

ya I know I probably should have held off, considering I have  a fairly
good, shall we say LIVE recording from a very good friend of ours. Anyways
I
caved in and got it anyways.

The Corrs Unplugged. The second of 3 live cds that I picked up. I just love

the Irish, and although I hadn't originally planned on getting it, when I
say it and found out it was OUT, I had to add it to my collection, Very
good
cd. I believe it is from a MTV Europe unplugged session, and they play a
few
new songs and a cool REM cover.

Alanis Morrisette Unplugged. Okay this is the 3rd live cd that I caved
into.
Yeah I admitted like Alanis too. Call me evil if you like,  but according
to
Kevin Smith, Alanis is god, how could I go wrong?

Ashley MacIssac - Helter's Celtic: This is an awesome cd, especially the
first track, which has an electronic dance feel to it.  If you liked his
first cd, then you will definitely like this one.  This is one talented
young man, who plays a mean fiddle (kinda like Julian Dunn) except, good ol

Ashley plays on my team. (whoo hoo)

Harry Connick Jr (I forget the title, but it is his new one) Okay it's very

much a back to basic album for Harry, steering back to his jazzier roots.
This album is awesome, and is more reminicent of his earlier work. This
cool
cat was the one who really hooked me on to jazzier types of music.

Women and Songs 3: Okay I bought this really for ONE song, no not the Sarah

McLachlan Song, but the  Wild Strawberries/Robert Michaels song. It is an
awesome song, with the excellent vocals of Roberta from the Wild
Strawberries and the amazing guitar talent of Robert Micheals. The song is
called, "Wrong To Let You Go" apparently their is also a french version of
the song which will be appearing on the first FRENCH version of the popular

Women and Songs collection (La Chanson au feminin) Of course Women and
Songs
3 also includes the talents of Ms. McLachlan, Alanis Morissette, Madonna,
Cher, Jewel, Annie Lennox, Sheryl Crow, Natalie Merchant, The Cranberries
and many other Lilith favorites. 18 estrongen tracks all in all.

My last purchase was The new Chemical Brothers CD: surrender - I had heard
this cd in the car ride up to Montreal, thanks to Frank. I had meant to by
the cd when if first came out , but haven't had the chance to. But having
the gift certificates, It gave me an excuse to give this amazing electronic

masterpiece.

Also in my bag was the new Beastie Boys Anthology, which I had bought for
my
sister Chelle, maybe she will review it for you all, or maybe she won't.
GRIN

On the cutting block: I almost picked up the Cher Collection of hits, along

with An Ella Fitzgerald cd (although Ella has so many CD's I don't know
where to start, all I know is that I love her stuff, anyone have any Ella
CD
collection starter tips for me?)

In Other News. The last Issue of BROWN SUGAR (a filipino youth Magazine)
will be having a party on December 10th. The magzaine will have a HUGE
feature on Emm Gryner which will be featuring pictures by yours truly.  For

those of you in Toronto, you will be able to pick up your issue at Tower
Record downtown, mid December)  The magzine, which will be changing names
in
the new year, will also be planning to cover  An Aquezada Christmas.

In December, things are gonna be pretty busy in the work front, with a
number of projects to complete before the new year. (hmm that only gives me

a couple of weeks considering our office is closed from Christmas to the
monday after New Years.

Also In December, aside from the Aquezada Christmas show, I urge people to
check out the Planet of The Loops night at Holy Joes, the first one being
tomorrow night and the second one being December 9th I believe, which would

feature the looping and electronic talents of Ken Harrison (of the Wild
Strawberries) among other local talent.

Towards the end of Month, many of the Philly Locals know that I will be
making my East Cost tour to Philly and surrounding areas between Boxing Day

and New Years. I am hoping to see, Shannon, Susan, Denise, Matty (BIG
HUGS),
Whitney and maybe the Twins. If anyone else wants to join in the fun, lemme

know.

Things are gonna get really busy, really quickly around here for me, with a

number of holiday related events and parties, so I don't know how active I
will be on the various mailing lists that I am on.  So I will say now,
Thank
you to EVERYONE for making this such a wonderful year for me, both filled
with ups and downs and new opportunities and experiences.  Thanks for all
the memories, the friendships, the love  and the pictures.

You guys are awesome.
Rannie

Happy Holidays and all that fun stuff...
1999 has been quite a year for me. And for most of you too I believe. It is

quite amazing that a year ago, I didn't or barely knew most of you.  Now I
don't know where I would be without knowing you.

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:00:08 EST
From: Piggio@aol.com
Subject: Re: Death to Matt Galloway! (LONG)

In a message dated 11/30/99 5:39:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, Julian writes:

<< Amen to that. Even Emm's not perfect, and as much a fan as I am, I >don't 
 >like everything she's done.
 
And Tab (fumblefan@hotmail.com) replies:  Emm's not perfect?  Can we say that 
on this list?! <snicker>
 
 - Tab :) >>

Hmmm....  wow, interesting debate you are all involved in.  i can't help but 
feel partially responsible (though there are other people who trashed Matt 
Galloway for such a harsh article) for starting this debate.  you all make 
many many good points.  i especially agree with whoever it was (i think it 
was Steve I) who said that we disagree with one person's opinion because it 
doesn't coincide with what we believe, but yet that person is entitled to 
their opinion because Emm's music is NOT for everyone.  

i've got to agree with that more than anything that i've read.  this is one 
of the longest lasting, most reply inspiring posts that i've seen on this 
list in some time.  one bad review got a lot of people up in arms and got a 
lot of other people talking about that and who has what responsibility to 
what public with a review that they wrote.   everything that everyone wrote 
makes good sense.  but i really do agree with what Steve said.  i was taken 
aback by a bad review because i thought that everyone should like Emm the way 
i do, but ya know what, i'm GLAD that they don't.  she is NOT for everyone, 
and i love her for that.  her music strikes a chord with me; her voice 
resonates through my soul.  when music is good TO YOU, it does that, but some 
music doesn't strike the same chord with all people.  as much as we may trash 
sugar-pop like Backstreet Boys or Britney Spears, believe it or not, their 
music MAY actually strike a chord with somebody else (maybe not us), but it 
means something to them.  and that's really the bottom line.  as long as the 
music means something to you personally, that's all that matters.  who the 
hell cares about what someone else thinks?  here in Akron, Ohio, i guarantee 
you i'm one of the only ones who knows about or cares about Emm Gryner.  many 
in this town will never know who she is, or if they do, may not be as 
inspired or awe-struck as i am by her.  but this is what makes us all 
individuals.  we all have our own tastes and our own things that move us 
emotionally.  thank god for that.  i am glad for the fact that Emm is not, 
and may not ever, become huge.  not that i don't wish her all the success in 
the world, but if a major major audience were ever to accept her, i would 
wonder if it was because they were as emotionally moved by her music as i am 
or if they just liked her because it was the "cool thing to do" (example:  if 
you are a teenager right now, its "cool" to like Britney Spears or the 
Backstreet Boys or N'Sync, but how many like them because of the music they 
write/sing, or because they are good looking, popular, etc)....  does any of 
this make sense?

after reading all your great comments on this issue, i'm no longer as 
incensed by the article as i was; i have learned a lesson, and that is that 
not all of us march to the beat of the same drummer (or singer/songwriters as 
the case may be); we are all individuals and we all have our own opinions, 
Matt Galloway included....

and as for Julian's comment, Emm IS perfect in my eyes.  strangely enough, 
she is the ONLY artist in my collection of over 600 CD's that i love 
EVERYTHING she has ever done.  some songs i like better than others, but 
there is not one that i don't like.  it scares me sometimes myself that i 
could be so moved by one single person's music.  perhaps all of you have that 
one person in your collection who "does it" for you.  for me it is the fab 
Ms. Emm.  hard to explain that to other people, but it just "is" for me.

regards,

Rob

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:12:02 EST
From: Starfall18@aol.com
Subject: Re: Death to Matt Galloway! (LONG)

Piggio says:

> (example:  if 
>  you are a teenager right now, its "cool" to like Britney Spears or the 
>  Backstreet Boys or N'Sync, but how many like them because of the music 
they 
>  write/sing, or because they are good looking, popular, etc)....  does any 
of  
>  this make sense?

Yes it all makes sense, but PLEASE PLEASE do not generalize such statements. 

Blech!

Emily, who is 16. ew britney spears is a HUGE HUGE slut god disgusting

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:50:59 -0800 (PST)
From: laura robeson <laurarobeson@yahoo.com>
Subject: no emm content, just wanted to recommend something

Hey everyone, someone sent me a link to this site and it's really awesome. Maybe
some of you have the program already, but go to http://www.napster.com and download
the application (it's not big, around 650 kb I think) and basically it's a live
network of users that log on and share their mp3's with everyone else. Which means,
when you search for a song and it comes up with the results, you know the links are
actually good. I'm sure some of you have been through other mp3 sites that give you
false hope of getting a song.. like scour.net used to be awesome until all their
links were pulled or for one reason or another stopped working. But this thing's
awesome I mean it. Yeah they still take a while to download, but you can't avoid
that really. .. if there's some Sarah fans out there, I'll tell you I did a search
for her and found a bunch of songs that aren't as easy to find like God Rest Ye
Merry Gentlemen and Big Yellow Taxi (from Lilith).. so anyway, I've rambled on
enough, check it out, you'll like it I promise.
Have a great night everyone! :)


~Laura



P.S. And add your mp3's to the libraries 'cause every one counts! Right now there's
about 270,000 available, there's that many people on.. very cool.

  

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 17:58:18 PST
From: "Tab Siddiqui" <fumblefan@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: That SF review...

Mark told us to go here:

>http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0252.html

All I can say is, whoa, that's some... *deep* review (well, all of them - 
the Emm/Chantal/soundtrack reviews at the link).  Remember what I was saying 
about depth, insight, and all that?  This review takes those concepts almost 
a little *too* seriously. ;-)

- - Tab :)



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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:06:55 EST
From: HulaCherry@aol.com
Subject: Re: no emm content, just wanted to recommend something <mini Emm schtuff>

This is the best thing ever created. Napster.com has just about every song 
you could ever imagine. I know that i am hooked and have hooked a whole bunch 
of other peeps on it too!!! Hey. .I have even found fun Emm songs on Napster 
too, like Wisdom Bus, Summerlong and EVEN Hook Machine. . But unfortunatly I 
haven't been able to download them yet, but I know that they are out there. 
Get Napster! You won't regret it!!! ;o)

Abbie

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 22:24:42 -0500
From: Steve I <kamesan@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: That SF review...

Tab wrote:
>Mark told us to go here:
>
>>http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0252.html
>
>All I can say is, whoa, that's some... *deep* review (well, all of them - 
>the Emm/Chantal/soundtrack reviews at the link).  Remember what I was saying 
>about depth, insight, and all that?  This review takes those concepts almost 
>a little *too* seriously. ;-)

That article is pretty much par for the course for Glenn McDonald's
reviews.  Incredibly thoughtful and articulate guy, and also a member of
the very cool ecto mailing list.  Check out the index for the URL's for his
reviews of Public and Sarah Slean's _Universe_ as well.

Steve

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:32:23 -0500 (EST)
From: "Julian C. Dunn" <jdunn@aquezada.com>
Subject: Re: http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0252.html

Oi vey...

Interesting review, although it reads like a David Malouf novel. Actually, come
to think of it, it's not so much a review as "reflection on American life" and
how Emm does (or does not) fit into that. It's certainly a different approach
to writing a CD review.

I'm curious to know what is Glenn's target audience when he writes reviews like
this. I'm sure I am not the only one who feels this way, but it would appear
that the reader would have to be *extremely* well-read and be familiar with a
great spectrum of musical artists to fully appreciate what he has to say. I am
not familiar with half of the people he mentioned, but before I make a
knee-jerk reaction about his writing style, I wanted to clarify who he is
writing for.

- - Julian

[     Julian C. Dunn - jdunn@aquezada.com  WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/   ] 
[ programmer, web designer, unix user, fumbler, writer, and future engineer]
[ FuE exfe94 a+++ Ifte/slc lonca r- ps++ bs+ t++/*t C+++$/C! w+++ p7 LF+++ ]  
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[      "roll the tape, i'll show you how the ending began" - emm gryner    ]

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