From: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org (headline-girl-digest) To: headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Subject: headline-girl-digest V2 #145 Reply-To: headline-girl@smoe.org Sender: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-headline-girl-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk headline-girl-digest Thursday, July 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 145 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: headline-girl-digest V2 #140 ["Andrea" ] Emm in Regina [Travis Leippi ] Re: headline-girl-digest V2 #143 ["Rayanne L." ] RE: britney vs. melanie [now, no emm content] ["Julian C. Dunn" ] Re: videos [Songbird22@aol.com] RE: videos [Steve I ] RE: videos [James McGarry ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 01:24:14 -0400 From: "Andrea" Subject: Re: headline-girl-digest V2 #140 > what is the spill? is it a magazine that i can buy? The Spill is a Toronto magazine, I guess. It's free and distributed around the city...the site is at http://www.spillmagazine.com NP: "Stop collaborate and listen, Ice is back with a brand new addition" ~Andrea! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ICQ: 10294764 AOL IM: TheAndyC http://listen.to/canadianmusic - http://listen.to/boots - http://travel.to/thecomfortzone - canadian-music@smoe.org PROUDLY CANADIAN MUSIC WEB RING http://surf.to/canadianmusic "We got loud guitars and big suspicions, great big guns and small ambitions and we still argue over who is God" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:12:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Travis Leippi Subject: Emm in Regina Well Emm was kind enough to grace our presence in the wheaty capital. She hit the stage at 11:45 and played 1 encore and finished round 1:00 I can't remember all of hte songs but some were: Acid, Phonecall 45, 89 Days of Alcatraz, Revenge, Boys Race, July, Hook Machine, Crazy Train (Emm says "Metal always wins"). I'm horrible at writing these reviews, so I'll make it short. She stayed around for autographs/photos, was very warm and cordial. THat's all, when I get the photos developed I'll put them up somewhere. - --Travis _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:00:16 -0700 From: "Rayanne L." Subject: Re: headline-girl-digest V2 #143 Kristy wrote: >well......forst off, i detest melanine doane...oh >jeez wrong thing to say.... right on sista, she's a ho-bag and a half :p Just joking, that's rude...but I don't like her very much at all either :p Rayanne *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:10:23 EDT From: Starfall18@aol.com Subject: Re: headline-girl-digest V2 #143 rayanne says: > right on sista, she's a ho-bag and a half :p no way, the biggest ho-bag of 'em all is the one and only britney slut spears. no contest. "hit me baby one more time!" emily :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:22:42 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: britney vs. melanie and some emm content hey now...watch the other-artist bashing... :) i heard that your list owner, mr. julian dunn, secretly listens to britney spear's song "email my heart" every night in the privacy of his own apartment... so we wouldn't want to offend him ;) heh heh heh. you guys should check out Fisher (artist&band), the cd "one" is really incredible, i've been listening to it all day, trying to get *inspired* to write something... anyway, here's the site and there are soundclips up. http://www.digitalsound.net/ also, i found this site a few days ago, there's some emm pics from the tulip festival up: www.clipclap.com jessica www.aquezada.com/jess ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:37:05 EDT From: Starfall18@aol.com Subject: Re: britney vs. melanie and some emm content jess reports: > hey now...watch the other-artist bashing... :) i heard that your list owner, > mr. julian dunn, secretly listens to britney spear's song "email my heart" > every night in the privacy of his own apartment... so we wouldn't want to > offend him ;) heh heh heh. Welllllll I think this guy needs put in an insane asylum, this world ain't big enough for me and Britney. so one of us is gonna need to go, and its not gonna be ME. so there:) hahaha. Britney. oh god, she has no talent, no voice, bad abs that she constantly shows off, and fake boobs. geez. "sometimes i run, sometimes i hide, sometimes i'm scared of you" emily:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:49:27 -0400 From: Steve I Subject: videos George wrote: >I was thinking about how Shania Twain's great videos helped her career >take off. > >I have never seen one of Emm's videos even though I have looked for them - >e.g. Summerlong. > >I know that videos are expensive to make, but they are an excellent way to >get the message out there. Not only are they ridiculously expensive to make, it's also DAMN hard to get them on the air once they *are* made. Especially when you're an independent artist like Emm. Case in point, Emm already has 3 videos, and most people haven't seen any of them, even though one of them had major label backing. You guys may be surprised to hear that Sarah Slean has had a video for "Weight" for almost a year. I don't think it's ever been broadcast. It's *much* harder to get a video in rotation on TV than it is to get a song on the radio (by simple virtue of numbers), and even *that* is hard! What most artists have then is a really expensive video that never comes down off the storage shelf. Shania had the benefit of having an all-out push by a major label, and I cannot stress enough what a huge factor that is in how much airplay a video gets. VERY few artists get that kind of push. The other thing is that a lot of Shania's video success (and that of countless other recording artists... Britney Spears comes to mind quickly) comes from her marketing as a sex symbol, and although I'm sure we all agree that Emm has the requisite physical attractiveness to be able to do that, I'm not sure that Emm *wants* to do it. For now, I'm glad that Emm put her resources where she should; toward putting out a new album. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:20:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: RE: britney vs. melanie [now, no emm content] On 07-Jul-99 Songbird22@aol.com wrote: > hey now...watch the other-artist bashing... :) i heard that your list owner, > mr. julian dunn, secretly listens to britney spear's song "email my heart" > every night in the privacy of his own apartment... so we wouldn't want to > offend him ;) heh heh heh. Okay, it's true, I have "hit me baby, one more time" on MP3 on my computer, but is that any reason to hate me? :-) And the only reason why I have a MIDI file of the same thing is because a certain nameless somebody (Jess) sent it to me for my birthday... :) Not that any of you should care, but I have finally finished painting my futon and I assembled it tonight, so my apartment doesn't look like a disaster area anymore. If you come and visit me, DO NOT ASK why it is two different shades of cherry, or you'll have to repaint it for me :) - - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn - jdunn@aquezada.com WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/ ] [ programmer, web designer, unix user, fumbler, writer, and future engineer] [ FuE exfe94 a+++ Ifte/slc lonca r- ps++ bs+ t++/*t C+++$/C! w+++ p7 LF+++ ] [N++/N! cd260 pr++ g+++ S-/S *x++ Fa+++/Fa$/Fa! m1 b+ fc+++/ E>+ rl-- *d s!] [ "you're cruel and unkind when i can't read your mind " - lenni jabour ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:29:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: RE: videos On 08-Jul-99 Steve I wrote: >>I know that videos are expensive to make, but they are an excellent way to >>get the message out there. > > Not only are they ridiculously expensive to make, it's also DAMN hard to > get them on the air once they *are* made. Especially when you're an > independent artist like Emm. Case in point, Emm already has 3 videos, and > most people haven't seen any of them, even though one of them had major > label backing. You guys may be surprised to hear that Sarah Slean has had > a video for "Weight" for almost a year. I don't think it's ever been > broadcast. It's *much* harder to get a video in rotation on TV than it is > to get a song on the radio (by simple virtue of numbers), and even *that* > is hard! What most artists have then is a really expensive video that > never comes down off the storage shelf. Out of curiousity (and this isn't a question directly for you, Steve), how _would_ an artist go about getting a video aired? I mean, one would think that major label backing for a video would be enough to get it aired, but obviously it wasn't. Does it depend on how popular / well known the artist is already? 'cause that would seem kind of backwards -- I always thought the purpose of videos was to get more people to know about the artist! And no, I didn't know that Sarah has a video for 'Weight'. It would be cool to see it sometime... ever thought about putting it or clips of it on the site? (or maybe it's up there already and I just didn't notice) - - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn - jdunn@aquezada.com WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/ ] [ programmer, web designer, unix user, fumbler, writer, and future engineer] [ FuE exfe94 a+++ Ifte/slc lonca r- ps++ bs+ t++/*t C+++$/C! w+++ p7 LF+++ ] [N++/N! cd260 pr++ g+++ S-/S *x++ Fa+++/Fa$/Fa! m1 b+ fc+++/ E>+ rl-- *d s!] [ "you're cruel and unkind when i can't read your mind " - lenni jabour ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:47:20 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: videos Julian wonders: > Out of curiousity (and this isn't a question directly for you, Steve), how > _would_ an artist go about getting a video aired? I mean, one would think > that major label backing for a video would be enough to get it aired, but > obviously > it wasn't. Does it depend on how popular / well known the artist is already? > 'cause that would seem kind of backwards -- I always thought the purpose of > videos was to get more people to know about the artist! At least in the US, I think it might have something to do with radio airplay, and if a couple real big stations in LA and NY pick up your song into rotation, then other stations start picking it up, then the video is aired? Someone explained it to me once but I can't remember, but, Ger might know. Ger, are you still out there? Enlighten us. :) > And no, I didn't know that Sarah has a video for 'Weight'. It would be cool > to see it sometime... ever thought about putting it or clips of it on the site? > (or maybe it's up there already and I just didn't notice) Ooh, I'd like to see that too... I remember hearing it was being taped but didn't know it'd be done for so long. :) jessica np: fisher "one" (still. this cd is incredible!!) www.aquezada.com/jess ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:31:24 -0400 From: Steve I Subject: RE: videos Julian wrote: >Out of curiousity (and this isn't a question directly for you, Steve), how >_would_ an artist go about getting a video aired? I mean, one would think that >major label backing for a video would be enough to get it aired, but obviously >it wasn't. Does it depend on how popular / well known the artist is already? >'cause that would seem kind of backwards -- I always thought the purpose of >videos was to get more people to know about the artist! The purpose of videos for *the artist* is to get them exposure, and make them money too. The purpose of videos for *the stations* is to attract viewers so they can get advertisers and pull in revenue. Videos by unknown artists do not attract large numbers of viewers; videos by major-label-backed, already-popular, bestselling artists *do* attract large numbers of viewers. That said, the stations *do* also want to seem as if they are on the forefront of the hot new trends. One way for program directors at music stations to keep abreast of who the hot new artists are is to keep a close watch on the playlists at certain influential radio stations. For example, MTV keeps close tabs on what KROQ in LA is playing. The way I understand it, for both television and radio, the major labels send out reps to promote all the artists on their label to each of the stations. The reps from the major labels usually get the ear of people who are very influential in the making of the playlists for each station, the program director or whomever, which is part of the reason why major label artists are more likely to get aired, they get an in-person promotional effort by a label rep, whereas indie artists rarely get to see a program director; they usually have to send their CDs and stuff in the mail. Also the major label artists have the advantage of mega glossy promotional items, like the "Public Speaking" thing Emm had and her Summerlong 45, not to mention being included on the label's promotional compilation CDs and videos. Finally, the major labels have quite a bit of clout, in that a station has to try to maintain good relations with the labels or risk being shut out from their artists. The stations have to play at least *some* of their stuff. Indie artists have virtually no such clout... How does an indie artist get their stuff aired? I have no idea. Ask Emm, she had "Hello Aquarius" and "Your Sort of Human Being" aired on MuchMusic pre-Mercury, albeit rather infrequently. I don't know if her videos have ever been aired on VH1 or MTV though. If Ger is on this list though he'll be able to give a much better answer than this. Dunno if he is though... >And no, I didn't know that Sarah has a video for 'Weight'. It would be cool to >see it sometime... ever thought about putting it or clips of it on the site? >(or maybe it's up there already and I just didn't notice) We did have plans to do that at one point but they kind of fizzled out. With the push for the new album happening now I don't see putting the video for Weight on the site anytime soon, but we may do it during a quiet period after we're "done" promoting this coming album. Remind us again later! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:38:03 -0400 (EDT) From: James McGarry Subject: RE: videos On Wed, 7 Jul 1999, Julian C. Dunn wrote: > Out of curiousity (and this isn't a question directly for you, Steve), how > _would_ an artist go about getting a video aired? I mean, one would think that In Canada, the artist or their management would submit a video to Muchmusic. Typically, this will then go to a review panel who will decide whether or not the video would air. Obviously popular artists will get videos played, and more obviously artists who are aggressively marketted get videos played. Often indie videos, when shown at all are relagated to off hours there used to be an Indie Spotlight and Friday night I think they have more cutting edge/indie/outre videos. Or if enough people requested it... But more typically the panel approach. I know of only one band who are friends of mine who've managed to get videos aired, they were lucky I'd say. Great videos, really well done, it helps that the bass player is also a good director/producer. > major label backing for a video would be enough to get it aired, but obviously > it wasn't. Does it depend on how popular / well known the artist is already? Backing? Being on a major label isn't enough no. ...the video itself costs a lot of money, and somethings this is used to test how well the artist does on video, sometimes on a whim and sometimes because a label gives you a budget. I'd say a lot of bands are taken in by this, they get a budget from their label for a video, so they make one, with no real thought as to why or what they're going to do with it. What they forget is often they themselves are on the hook for the video, that it, along with their advance will come out of potential royalties. And they forget if there's no marketing plan with the video and no real reason for it, that it will become a rather expensive paperweight. Artists don't make _any_ money off the video itself (unless they later sell it themselves or sell the distribution rights for VHS/DVD). And unless you can move a good deal of units it would have to be DiY... > 'cause that would seem kind of backwards -- I always thought the purpose of > videos was to get more people to know about the artist! Sometimes it is backwards. Sometimes an artist can't make a showcase for buyers, etc. and a video will be sent instead. The purpose of videos, hmmm... theoretically videos work as a form of advertisement; entertisement which channels don't have to produce and don't get charged for. In general indie artist have to make videos on the cheap. Sometimes (rarely) they get picked up, or often they get picked up retroactively after the artist gets a following. > (or maybe it's up there already and I just didn't notice) Nope its not there. BTW the Sarah video was made when a opportunity became available and is not typical of this process. For more information, I'll direct you to Steve or Heather (on navy-soup@smoe.org). James. P.S. Good Canadian Videos made on the cheap Ashley MacIsaac - Devil in the Kitchen Treblecharger - Even Grable* Coal - Ace of Spaces, Invisible Man cub - My Chinchilla, Go Fish, anything by cub really * Arguably the best Canadian indie video ever made for what it says about Treblecharger, several other bands appear in the video, my fav being the kids from Radioblaster as squeegy kids postering a car with bills for their gig. That video said DiY so big and so cool! ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ End of headline-girl-digest V2 #145 ***********************************