From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V5 #88 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Wednesday, May 24 2000 Volume 05 : Number 088 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- Re: (harbinger) The Last In Love ["Kenneth Carpenter" Subject: Re: (harbinger) The Last In Love Oh, yeah... the radio mix is entirely different (and better) than the album version, which sounds like something from Sylvia Plath's "rainy days and Mondays" music collection. Paula's vocals are lighter, airier and her harmonies with Jules are beautifully done. Too bad this one didn't get much airplay either. :^( Kenn >From: Brian C >Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org >To: harbinger@smoe.org >Subject: (harbinger) The Last In Love >Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:18:15 -0700 (PDT) > >Hey All, > >I just got my hands on a copy of the radio remix to >"The Last In Love"; a duet with Jules Shear from 1998. > >It is so amazingly beautiful. I always thought the >album version was simple and OK, but this version is >so much more melodic and catchy. The instrumentation >is completely different. It's definately more poppy >and catchy. > >Anyway, I was pretty excited because I never knew that >a remix existed for this song and I just wanted to >share with ya'll. > >Take care, >Bri > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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Subject: (harbinger) The "I Believe In Love" Remixes As a few of you already know, I recently bought the 15-track 2-CD promotional set of "I Believe In Love" remixes. They arrived today and I've been listening to them on and off when I have had a chance in between trying to get some work done. Before I give a real review of the mixes, I intend to go home tonight and listen to them with my headphones. But, I just wanted to post to say that, based on what I've heard so far of these mixes (half by Karsh Kale; half by Jonathan Peters), Warner Bros. is going to have to take some of the heat for the commercial failure of Amen., specifically the single for "I Believe In Love." Without question, WBros. should have released this material. It's so good that I am sitting here stunned that it's going to go largely unheard by fans, et al. The main thing that makes the mixes so special is that fresh vocal tracks were laid down for this project. That approach to remixes is beginning to be more popular among the better DJs, but it's still not a commonplace occurrence. More often than not, you're still just getting a remixed version of the vocals from the album version (as was the case for the "Where Have All The Cowboys Gone?" remixes). It's evident even at first listen that Karsh Kale used rerecorded vocals from Paula just as Jonathan Peters did in his mixes. I don't know if Paula gave them each unique vocals (perhaps they both got the same vocal material from Paula to work with and each DJ chose to work with recordings the other guy didn't), but I have definitely heard new vocals in Kale's mixes that I don't hear in Peters' mixes and vice versa. I'm really just stunned. A 10-track single (like the "Cowboys" mega CD single) that included some of these remixes could have been just what Amen. needed to get its big fat bottom up off the floor and into the charts, on the airwaves and flying off the racks. I wonder if WBros. looked at the sales of the "Cowboys" mega CD single and based their decision not to release the remixes for "IBIL" on the lackluster sales of its predecessor. Most casual fans didn't buy the "Cowboys" mega CD. If so, they really didn't know what the hell they were doing. First of all, the "Cowboys" mixes were mostly abominable. The "IBIL" remixes are club-quality and they just kick ass is all! What were they thinking??! For instance, the Karsh Kale Ayaz Remix of "IBIL" is just beautiful and cool and would have been killin' 'em on the dance floor. There are these amazing space-age Moroccan synth horn, rattle and dumbek tracks interlaced through Paula's vocals, which ease off into Paula singing softly "yes, I believe in... yes, I believe in... yes, I believe in..." (new vocals - not the vocals from the end of the album version). That particular remix is smooth, stylish and welcome in my CD player anytime. Does anyone know for certain what happened with regard to the remixes? Anyone with a connection with reliable information? I find it difficult to imagine that Paula herself would have chosen that these babies never saw the light of day. OK. Enough for now. More tomorrow. Kenn - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 02:07:46 -0400 (EDT) From: April Dunetz Subject: Re: (harbinger) The "I Believe In Love" Remixes you know that the IBIL remixes are fixtures on the new york city station ktu 103.5... i hear the song pretty often, a couple of weeks ago it was even voted in the top 8 at 8 countdown... and in new york city, ktu is the second most popular station, so in terms of notability for paula, that's good exposure... i agree with you kenn, shelving the remixes was a bad idea, but if they were made more commercial would the new paula cole fans and the ones with britney spears memory spans (i.e. what is i don't want to wait and cowboys?) would they expect dance music from paula and on amen? would people go out and get the cd in expectations of a dancier album? the IBIL remixes are awesome, but not too reflective of paula's sound... anyone agree or agree to disagree? april On Tue, 23 May 2000, K.C. wrote: > As a few of you already know, I recently bought the 15-track 2-CD > promotional set of "I Believe In Love" remixes. They arrived today and > I've been listening to them on and off when I have had a chance in > between trying to get some work done. > > Before I give a real review of the mixes, I intend to go home tonight > and listen to them with my headphones. But, I just wanted to post to > say that, based on what I've heard so far of these mixes (half by Karsh > Kale; half by Jonathan Peters), Warner Bros. is going to have to take > some of the heat for the commercial failure of Amen., specifically the > single for "I Believe In Love." > > Without question, WBros. should have released this material. It's so > good that I am sitting here stunned that it's going to go largely > unheard by fans, et al. The main thing that makes the mixes so special > is that fresh vocal tracks were laid down for this project. That > approach to remixes is beginning to be more popular among the better > DJs, but it's still not a commonplace occurrence. More often than not, > you're still just getting a remixed version of the vocals from the album > version (as was the case for the "Where Have All The Cowboys Gone?" > remixes). > > It's evident even at first listen that Karsh Kale used rerecorded vocals > from Paula just as Jonathan Peters did in his mixes. I don't know if > Paula gave them each unique vocals (perhaps they both got the same vocal > material from Paula to work with and each DJ chose to work with > recordings the other guy didn't), but I have definitely heard new vocals > in Kale's mixes that I don't hear in Peters' mixes and vice versa. > > I'm really just stunned. A 10-track single (like the "Cowboys" mega CD > single) that included some of these remixes could have been just what > Amen. needed to get its big fat bottom up off the floor and into the > charts, on the airwaves and flying off the racks. I wonder if WBros. > looked at the sales of the "Cowboys" mega CD single and based their > decision not to release the remixes for "IBIL" on the lackluster sales > of its predecessor. Most casual fans didn't buy the "Cowboys" mega CD. > If so, they really didn't know what the hell they were doing. First of > all, the "Cowboys" mixes were mostly abominable. The "IBIL" remixes are > club-quality and they just kick ass is all! What were they thinking??! > > For instance, the Karsh Kale Ayaz Remix of "IBIL" is just beautiful and > cool and would have been killin' 'em on the dance floor. There are > these amazing space-age Moroccan synth horn, rattle and dumbek tracks > interlaced through Paula's vocals, which ease off into Paula singing > softly "yes, I believe in... yes, I believe in... yes, I believe in..." > (new vocals - not the vocals from the end of the album version). That > particular remix is smooth, stylish and welcome in my CD player anytime. > > Does anyone know for certain what happened with regard to the remixes? > Anyone with a connection with reliable information? I find it difficult > to imagine that Paula herself would have chosen that these babies never > saw the light of day. > > OK. Enough for now. More tomorrow. > > Kenn > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe harbinger > > Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will > work for your EVERY time. > > Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: > http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html > > - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. 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