From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V5 #12 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Saturday, January 22 2000 Volume 05 : Number 012 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) more older reviews of AMEN [steven.stewart@nokia.com] (harbinger) Avalon-Boston info [Momrox1@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) Toad's Place Show [Honoku@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) Paula Inteview from '97 [Honoku@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) Toad's Place Show ["Kenneth R Carpenter" ] Re: (harbinger) Paula Inteview from '97 ["Kenneth R Carpenter" > TRUMP PLAZA ? - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:32:27 EST From: Honoku@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) Paula Inteview from '97 thank you bri, you are a great resource interesting sites. steve - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:07:58 -0500 From: "Kenneth R Carpenter" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Toad's Place Show Steve wrote: >>TRUMP PLAZA ? That's not exactly accurate. It's not Trump Plaza. It's the Xanadu Theatre AT the Trump Plaza. Other notables have played there, too. Mary Chapin Carpenter springs to mind right now. I know I'll be at the Xanadu show. It's closer for me *and* it's a seated event. I've spent enough years standing up to watch Paula. My last time at Toad's Place was just that.... my last time. Not too crazy about the most of the crowd that shows up there. Too much talking at the back of the club. Kenn ****************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the original message. ****************************************************************************** - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:24:58 -0500 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: Re: (harbinger) more older reviews of AMEN - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 4:38 AM Subject: (harbinger) more older reviews of AMEN > For those that haven't seen. Here is the Rolling Stone review of AMEN and > the CDNow review. > Having worn out the ersatz country-pop recipe with her ubiquitous 1996 hit.... > Aidin Vaziri Ersatz country pop recipe?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?!?!?! Yeah...this schmuck is qualified to write reviews online about music. PCole is ersatz, but TBoz is a firestarting genius. Kee-riced that pisses me off. That's what SUX about the internet. It gives voice to any asswipe who claims to be an 'authority' on anything. "fa-fa-fa I'm 17 and just graduated MIT early. My friend Chad's dad works at CDNow, and he got me this cool music review jawb...I'm like towtally stoked 'cuz I've only heard like, about 12 albums in my whole LIFE, dude!" AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! CP - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:14:19 -0500 From: "Kenneth R Carpenter" Subject: (harbinger) more older reviews of AMEN Old Scratch wrote: >> OW! But that line about TLC firestarter...all but saves...with her soulful >> backing vocals? HUH? Am I the only one that thinks the TBoz addition >> to Be Somebody was a complete washout? That woman's voice is so >> thin and UNsoulful. Yes, T-Boz's contribution was a washout. Paula could have just as easily sung those backing vocals on her own or asked Rakiya Diggs to do the job. And, while we're on the subject, DJ Premier's part on this album could have been played by any number of hopeful young scratchers from da Bronx (and for a lot less money, I'd guess). Hell, for the three or four seconds of scratching he did, any one of us probably could have done it with a hangover and one hand tied behind our back. It seems quite obvious that Paula was trying to pull any scrap of street credibility around this album that she could possibly muster. C'mon, folks! That's the primary reason why those two hip-hop/rap notables were rather arbitrarily attached to Amen! It didn't have to be T-Boz, it could have been Lil Kim or Da Brat or whoever! There was a spot to be filled and Tionne Watkins fit the demographic model, so to speak. So Paula can talk all she wants about how T-Boz has brought up Paula's name in several interviews (I've yet to hear or see that happen myself). She can try again and again to convince us that Tionne's voice was perfect for that small, but important part on "Be Somebody." She can herald DJ Premier's work on Amen. as genius, if she wants. At the end of the day, it's a bunch of bullshit and she had to have known it all along. I just think it's silly that she expects us to believe it, too. Kenn ****************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. 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Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:50:22 -0500 (EST) From: April Dunetz Subject: Re: (harbinger) more older reviews of AMEN Kenn, i actually read a TLC interview last year (in some college magazine-i wish i saved it!) in which T-Boz says that her favorite album is this fire and why it means so much to her. so there's an example of T-Boz talking about Paula and not about Paula talking about T-Boz. Tionne legitimately loves this fire... as for the effort on Amen, well i don't know, but i don't think Paula's feeding us garbage. I however do think that Paula wants to urbanize her genre because she really doesn't care for the one she's in now, and she always talks about how she likes urban music more than other types. there's my two cents... april p.s. i once saw a shania twain interview in which she says that this fire is one of her favorite albums. i guess all in all unfortunately to the rest of the world Amen. isn't making the cut. On Fri, 21 Jan 2000, Kenneth R Carpenter wrote: > Old Scratch wrote: > > >> OW! But that line about TLC firestarter...all but saves...with her soulful > >> backing vocals? HUH? Am I the only one that thinks the TBoz addition > >> to Be Somebody was a complete washout? That woman's voice is so > >> thin and UNsoulful. > > Yes, T-Boz's contribution was a washout. Paula could have just as easily sung those backing vocals on her own or asked Rakiya Diggs to do the job. And, while we're on the subject, DJ Premier's part on this album could have been played by any number of hopeful young scratchers from da Bronx (and for a lot less money, I'd guess). Hell, for the three or four seconds of scratching he did, any one of us probably could have done it with a hangover and one hand tied behind our back. > > It seems quite obvious that Paula was trying to pull any scrap of street credibility around this album that she could possibly muster. C'mon, folks! That's the primary reason why those two hip-hop/rap notables were rather arbitrarily attached to Amen! It didn't have to be T-Boz, it could have been Lil Kim or Da Brat or whoever! There was a spot to be filled and Tionne Watkins fit the demographic model, so to speak. > > So Paula can talk all she wants about how T-Boz has brought up Paula's name in several interviews (I've yet to hear or see that happen myself). She can try again and again to convince us that Tionne's voice was perfect for that small, but important part on "Be Somebody." She can herald DJ Premier's work on Amen. as genius, if she wants. At the end of the day, it's a bunch of bullshit and she had to have known it all along. I just think it's silly that she expects us to believe it, too. > > Kenn > > ****************************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the original message. > ****************************************************************************** > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe harbinger > > Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will > work for your EVERY time. > > Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: > http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html > > - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:16:00 -0800 (PST) From: Brian C Subject: Re: (harbinger) Paula Inteview from '97 Thanks! I know I don't post much on here, but when I find something good, you guys are first on my mind. I've been on this list for years and love the community that we've built. BTW, does anyone know whatever happend to Brian C Titus? He's the guy who created the first Paula web site. I've just been wondering lately. - -Bri - --- Honoku@aol.com wrote: > thank you bri, you are a great resource interesting > sites. > steve > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe harbinger > > Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above > instruction will > work for your EVERY time. > > Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: > http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:24:16 -0500 From: "Kenneth R Carpenter" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Paula Inteview from '97 Brian asked: >> BTW, does anyone know whatever happend to Brian C Titus? He's the >> guy who created the first Paula web site. I've just been wondering lately. Yeah, for it's time, C. Brian Titus' website was really great. Paula's dad, Jim, was even known to leave his comments on the message board. However, Brian was one of those fans who likes his favorite musicians to stay underground. After Paula hit the airwaves with "Cowboys" and started gaining major notoriety, Brian lost interest in keeping up the site and soon after Harbinger closed. Also, his own family was starting to grow. Last I knew, he and his wife had just had a son. I'm sure parenthood cuts in to the amount of time you have to edit HTML coding. ;) I, on the other hand, have no dependents and am ready to launch my Paula site. *The Book Of Dorothy - A Paula Cole Anthology* will be launched on or about April 5, 2000 as my birthday gift to Paula. The finishing touches to the biography will be completed by the end of this month and the meat of the discography has been done since earlier this week. I'm going to try to have the discography and biography available from Day One. Other sections will be added shortly thereafter, including * a videography, * past-and-present band member information, * an image gallery, * music spotlights, * lyrics, * memorabilia and other ideas I've been knocking around for a while. I've never done a website before so I'm sure it's going to be a work-in-progress for at least the first year while I add images and tweak it here and there. When I have more information regarding the URL, I will post it. Still deciding on a domain name. I'm very proud to say that the biography and discography are already the most comprehensive, to date, and will eclipse anything you have read so far on the net. Both should hold quite a few surprises for a lot of you. Things you never knew happened and Paula music you never knew existed. Stay tuned ! :) Kenn Peace. Kenn ****************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the original message. ****************************************************************************** - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:20:55 -0500 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: Re: (harbinger) more older reviews of AMEN Yeah-- What HE said... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth R Carpenter To: Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: (harbinger) more older reviews of AMEN > Old Scratch wrote: > > >> OW! But that line about TLC firestarter...all but saves...with her soulful > >> backing vocals? HUH? Am I the only one that thinks the TBoz addition > >> to Be Somebody was a complete washout? That woman's voice is so > >> thin and UNsoulful. > > Yes, T-Boz's contribution was a washout. Paula could have just as easily sung those backing vocals on her own or asked Rakiya Diggs to do the job. And, while we're on the subject, DJ Premier's part on this album could have been played by any number of hopeful young scratchers from da Bronx (and for a lot less money, I'd guess). Hell, for the three or four seconds of scratching he did, any one of us probably could have done it with a hangover and one hand tied behind our back...etc.... CP - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. 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