From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V4 #168 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Wednesday, November 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 168 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) Re: Pollstar concert update [Momrox1@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) Re: Pollstar concert update [Kelly L Murphy ] Re: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE [Scoobedu@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE [April Dunetz ] Re: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE [Scoobedu@aol.com] RE: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE ["Chris Povie" ] RE: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE ["Chris Povie" ] RE: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE ["Chris Povie" ] RE: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE ["Chris Povie" ] (harbinger) just some australian info.... ["Sara Brooke" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Re: Pollstar concert update Hey Too funny - I was just going to send the list a post about that! You beat me to it! Later, Kelly :o) The Innocence Mission: http://www.kneelingelephant.com Sixpence None The Richer: http://www.sixpence-ntr.com Chevelle: http://www.chevelleinc.com five o'clock people: http://www.fiveoclockpeople.com *Squint Entertainment: http://www.squinterland.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:47:45 EST From: Honoku@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) Re: Pollstar concert update so paula is playing new years eve, in nyc ? life is the venue. this has it's surreal overtones. but ken or anyone else with more info on the secret of life, please let me know. thanks for the forward judy steve - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:11:13 -0500 (EST) From: April Dunetz Subject: Re: (harbinger) Re: Pollstar concert update hey do you have to be 21 to attend the show? i really want to go but i'm only 19 and last time she played a 21 and over show at the china club she and her tour manager had to work something out with the club manager so i could get in, but on new years eve i don't know... maybe kenn knows, he knows everything :) On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 Honoku@aol.com wrote: > so paula is playing new years eve, in nyc ? > life is the venue. > this has it's surreal overtones. > but ken or anyone else with more info on the secret of life, please let me > know. > thanks for the forward judy > steve > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe harbinger > > Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will > work for your EVERY time. > > Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: > http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html > > - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:27:17 -0500 From: Kenneth R Carpenter Subject: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE April overestimates my power when she says: >> maybe kenn knows, he knows everything :) Nah, I don't know everything. But I do try to find out everything. :) This is what I know about the show at Life. And here's the disclaimer.... many of you are going to choke when you hear the ticket price. This isn't just a show. It's an event. Party-goers will have the option of attending dinner and the show or just the show. For those of you who would like to attend both, you're looking at a ticket price of $350 per person. If you're only going to go for the show, then tickets are still $250 per person. Paula will be doing two shows that night. There's an early show from 8-9 p.m. (not positive about that time, but that's what I wrote down) and a late show from 10-11 p.m. Dinner will be served for an hour or so before the show. First doors are at 6 p.m. It's strictly a 21-and-over show because alcohol will be served (sorry, April). After Paula's last show, some DJ that the person at Life told me is just about the hottest thing since canned beer will be spinnin' some funky fresh rhydms for those who want to drop X and dance the night away. Tickets will be going on sale after the Thanksgiving weekend. The woman with whom I spoke didn't have any information about the exact on-sale date, but I will keep checking back to find out. Life is THE place to be in Manhattan these days. I've only gone twice and one of those times was to see Nina Hagen in concert. As such, I can say that this will be an amazing chance to see Paula up close and personal. The stage is minuscule and there isn't really a bad place to stand. You can see from pretty much everywhere. On regular club nights, Life is where a lot of the celebs go to dance and be fabulous. This place rivals the old Studio 54 for its inpenetrability. The velvet rope is more like an iron curtain - only those who clean up well seem to be able to skirt past the door gods. I'm sure a similar, though less harsh, dress code will be in effect on New Year's Eve. No jeans, sneakers, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they would tell blue-jean-clad ticketholders to go home and change. Paula seems to be gravitating toward those venues - China Club is also a movie star magnet. No guarantees, but you might even see someone even more famous than Paula that night if you go to the show. Maybe even Leonardo. ;) So... here's the question. Are any of you going to shell out the big bucks to go see PC party like it's 1999? This is the show I've been waiting three years to see, so I know I'll be there even if I have to go turn tricks down in the Bowery to get the money. I saw Paula live for the first time on New Year's Eve 1997. She opened for Barenaked Ladies at Roseland and blew my socks off. Personally, I can't think of a better way for me to bring in the new century. I can think of less expensive ways... but really can't think of any better. That's all for now. More to come. Peace. Kenn ****************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:10:10 -0500 (EST) From: April Dunetz Subject: Re: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE wow my credit cards are already maxxed out and the cost of that plus the cost of a fake driver's license and then to be in the village in the middle of y2k? that's nuts... sounds fun though, i expect a thorough report back from you kenn... i know you hate her (kenn) but tori amos has a similar deal going on, on december 7th she and tim roth are hosting a movie premiere of "the war zone" and then there's an after reception at the lava lounge... this event is $250 and $190 of it goes to the RAINN charity, i think that sum of money is better going to a charity than the really big pockets of LIFE. i even doubt paula's getting too much of that. i love paula but i'm a little bitter for being excluded from this by age and money. oh well, she's a jewel, she'll be back... On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Kenneth R Carpenter wrote: > April overestimates my power when she says: > > >> maybe kenn knows, he knows everything :) > > Nah, I don't know everything. But I do try to find out everything. :) > > This is what I know about the show at Life. > > And here's the disclaimer.... many of you are going to choke when you hear the ticket price. > > This isn't just a show. It's an event. > > Party-goers will have the option of attending dinner and the show or just the show. For those of you who would like to attend both, you're looking at a ticket price of $350 per person. If you're only going to go for the show, then tickets are still $250 per person. > > Paula will be doing two shows that night. There's an early show from 8-9 p.m. (not positive about that time, but that's what I wrote down) and a late show from 10-11 p.m. Dinner will be served for an hour or so before the show. First doors are at 6 p.m. It's strictly a 21-and-over show because alcohol will be served (sorry, April). After Paula's last show, some DJ that the person at Life told me is just about the hottest thing since canned beer will be spinnin' some funky fresh rhydms for those who want to drop X and dance the night away. > > Tickets will be going on sale after the Thanksgiving weekend. The woman with whom I spoke didn't have any information about the exact on-sale date, but I will keep checking back to find out. > > Life is THE place to be in Manhattan these days. I've only gone twice and one of those times was to see Nina Hagen in concert. As such, I can say that this will be an amazing chance to see Paula up close and personal. The stage is minuscule and there isn't really a bad place to stand. You can see from pretty much everywhere. > > On regular club nights, Life is where a lot of the celebs go to dance and be fabulous. This place rivals the old Studio 54 for its inpenetrability. The velvet rope is more like an iron curtain - only those who clean up well seem to be able to skirt past the door gods. I'm sure a similar, though less harsh, dress code will be in effect on New Year's Eve. No jeans, sneakers, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they would tell blue-jean-clad ticketholders to go home and change. Paula seems to be gravitating toward those venues - China Club is also a movie star magnet. No guarantees, but you might even see someone even more famous than Paula that night if you go to the show. Maybe even Leonardo. ;) > > So... here's the question. Are any of you going to shell out the big bucks to go see PC party like it's 1999? This is the show I've been waiting three years to see, so I know I'll be there even if I have to go turn tricks down in the Bowery to get the money. I saw Paula live for the first time on New Year's Eve 1997. She opened for Barenaked Ladies at Roseland and blew my socks off. Personally, I can't think of a better way for me to bring in the new century. I can think of less expensive ways... but really can't think of any better. > > That's all for now. More to come. > > Peace. > > Kenn > > > ****************************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:38:36 EST From: Scoobedu@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE Well, I haven't posted much to the list lately, but I have to respond to this. I loved Paula. I maxed out every single one of my credit cards following her from the tip of Florida all the way to Minneapolis. I lost a job, and dropped out of classes for a short while. All of that, however, was worth it for the fabulous experiences I had. The shows were fantastic, Paula was gracious, humble and gave a110% every night. I met some nice people off the list, Kara and Tina to name two. It was great. I preface with those remarks so that when I say money is not an object when it comes to see Paula I hope it will somewhat ring true. While money is no object, I would not attend this concert in New York if I was invited by Paula and put on the guest list. This is just another example of the disappointing (at least to me) turn Paula's career has taken this year. I did not much enjoy the album, I thought it was preachy and insincere. As I listened to it I felt as if I was listening to a self help album. Instead of telling us the stories of her life and let us learn from her experiences, she told us what the moral of the story should be and what we should learn from it. Of course I am a "cynical atheist" so all of the God stuff was not for me either. Also, I know Kenn dismissed someone's comments about Paula wearing a Wonderbra as irrelevant, but I beg to differ. Maybe since Kenn is not female he did not realize a few things. But for females (esp. ones in the public eye) the decision not to wear a bra and not to shave is a big deal. By not doing those things you will receive kudos and harassment from varying groups. I mean she even went so far as to write a letter to an editor for airbrushing out her pit hair. She was making a statement. When you change that statement you are changing your image. When it changes to wearing a Wonderbra, you are making an attempt to market your appearance and sexuality. That is disappointing to me. She has always been highly sexual. But it was natural, not like this. It is as if she is trying to conform to some image of a rock star, and to me she was always the antithesis of conformity. This show in NYC, to me, is just further proof of that. Paula wrote songs about the pain of exclusion, and not having the money, clothes or shoes to fit in. Now she is giving business to a place that is the epitome of exclusion! Why? I just paid $75.00 to see Melissa Etheridge in concert. I found that to be high, but at least I got a fantastic 3hr. concert in return. What is Paula offering? A chance to see how the other half lives (if you dress and look right?) and a couple of short sets. I wholeheartedly disagree with Kenn, this is not an event, it is an insulting rip-off, wrapped in fancy paper. I still admire most of Paula's music. Harbinger is still one of my favorite albums of all time, it is intensely personal to me, and I find it remarkable that anyone could write such emotionally wrenching songs. When she returns to that person, I will return to being a fan. amy - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:07:57 -0500 (EST) From: April Dunetz Subject: Re: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE i understand most of your points, but keep in mind that tickets to see paula are never this expensive, and i would chalk this up to it being new year's eve and y2k and so on. the bowery ballroom nyc show was only $15 a ticket and that is sooooo cheap to see a concert especially paula... if you don't like amen that's one thing, but don't get angry at paula for doing a one night new years affair, it's just crazy y2k bullshit marketing... amy i still do see your point and as a fan i do feel excluded from ringing in the new year with paula... On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 Scoobedu@aol.com wrote: > Well, > I haven't posted much to the list lately, but I have to respond to this. I > loved Paula. I maxed out every single one of my credit cards following her > from the tip of Florida all the way to Minneapolis. I lost a job, and > dropped out of classes for a short while. All of that, however, was worth it > for the fabulous experiences I had. The shows were fantastic, Paula was > gracious, humble and gave a110% every night. I met some nice people off the > list, Kara and Tina to name two. It was great. > I preface with those remarks so that when I say money is not an object when > it comes to see Paula I hope it will somewhat ring true. While money is no > object, I would not attend this concert in New York if I was invited by Paula > and put on the guest list. This is just another example of the disappointing > (at least to me) turn Paula's career has taken this year. I did not much > enjoy the album, I thought it was > preachy and insincere. As I listened to it I felt as if I was listening to a > self help album. Instead of telling us the stories of her life and let us > learn from her experiences, she told us what the moral of the story should be > and what we should learn from it. Of course I am a "cynical atheist" so all > of the God stuff was not for me either. Also, I know Kenn dismissed > someone's comments about Paula wearing a Wonderbra as irrelevant, but I beg > to differ. Maybe since Kenn is not female he did not realize a few things. > But for females (esp. ones in the public eye) the decision not to wear a bra > and not to shave is a big deal. By not doing those things you will receive > kudos and harassment from varying groups. I mean she even went so far as to > write a letter to an editor for airbrushing out her pit hair. She was making > a statement. When you change that statement you are changing your image. > When it changes to wearing a Wonderbra, you are making an attempt to market > your appearance and sexuality. That is disappointing to me. She has always > been highly sexual. But it was natural, not like this. It is as if she is > trying to conform to some image of a rock star, and to me she was always the > antithesis of conformity. This show in NYC, to me, is just further proof of > that. Paula wrote songs about the pain of exclusion, and not having the > money, clothes or shoes to fit in. Now she is giving business to a place > that is the epitome of exclusion! Why? I just paid $75.00 to see Melissa > Etheridge in concert. I found that to be high, but at least I got a > fantastic 3hr. concert in return. What is Paula offering? A chance to see > how the other half lives (if you dress and look right?) and a couple of short > sets. I wholeheartedly disagree with Kenn, this is not an event, it is an > insulting rip-off, wrapped in fancy paper. I still admire most of Paula's > music. Harbinger is still one of my favorite albums of all time, it is > intensely personal to me, and I find it remarkable that anyone could write > such emotionally wrenching songs. When she returns to that person, I will > return to being a fan. > amy > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe harbinger > > Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will > work for your EVERY time. > > Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: > http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html > > - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:19:37 EST From: Scoobedu@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE real quick....it is not the price...if she were charging it and giving it to charity or even keeping it for herself I would not be half as upset...my problem is the venue she has chosen, and what that type of venue represents to me...I think some of the Paula concert's were well worth $250.00 (fortunately I did not have to pay that price:)...I just wish it was not at such a place. I mean Kenn compared it to Studio 54, and I thought that was exclusionary craziness...and to me Paula represented something more than to me....maybe it is just disillusionment on my part. amy - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:28:21 -0500 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: RE: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE Amy writes: Of course I am a "cynical *atheist" so all *of the God stuff was not for me either. Also, I know Kenn dismissed *someone's comments about Paula wearing a Wonderbra as irrelevant, *but I beg *to differ. Maybe since Kenn is not female he did not realize a *few things. *But for females (esp. ones in the public eye) the decision not to *wear a bra *and not to shave is a big deal. By not doing those things you *will receive *kudos and harassment from varying groups. I mean she even went so *far as to *write a letter to an editor for airbrushing out her pit hair. She *was making Right on, Sister. Amen. I was gonna say what *she* said.* CP - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:31:41 -0500 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: RE: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE Kenn scroven thisly: After Paula's last show, some DJ that the person *at Life told me is just about the hottest thing since canned beer *will be spinnin' some funky fresh rhydms for those who want to *drop X and dance the night away. Right on, Brother. Amen. That DJ Smoky you're talkin 'bout, Willis? - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:42:24 -0500 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: RE: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE Amy, my love, she wrote this: *real quick....it is not the price...if she were charging it and *giving it to *charity or even keeping it for herself I would not be half as upset...my *problem is the venue she has chosen, and what that type of venue *represents *to me...I think some of the Paula concert's were well worth $250.00 *(fortunately I did not have to pay that price:)...I just wish it *was not at *such a place. I mean Kenn compared it to Studio 54, and I thought *that was *exclusionary craziness...and to me Paula represented something *more than to *me....maybe it is just disillusionment on my part. ...and again I must say right on, Sister. Amen. I recently visited the City to attend a friend's birthday party at Webster Hall, another velvet-roped emporium of X-ed out Loser/Posers ogling and groping each other to a monotonous drum trak... (not that there's anything WRONG with that... ;-) ) and I can't picture PAULA allowing herself to even go into a place like that incog-freakin-nito, let alone PLAYING a gig there! Oh shit yeah there's the old excuse 'Well she's famous now and it's because of Y2K blah blah blah', but I say you make your bed now go sleep in it, without MY buying your sheets OR your inventiveless preachtrak CD. Blecchh. cp - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:46:42 -0500 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: RE: (harbinger) PC in NYC on NYE come see me and my site http://welcome.to/chrispovie - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:34:57 +1100 From: "Sara Brooke" Subject: (harbinger) just some australian info.... hey guys - Last night the Dawsons Creek Concert special was aired here. It didn't actually contain a lot of the actual *concert* and the actual concert was a lot different to what I thought it would be, I thought most, if not all the artists off the album would be there - when in fact it was only Paula, Shawn Mullins, and two other guys (who's names leave me at the moment :o) The actual special that we saw was out takes from the concert and then interviews with the cast of the show and the different artists that performed at the concert. Paula performed IDWTW - pretty good version, but she didn't seem really *into* the whole thing -- I dunno, i have just seen her more excited and give a better performance on other things. They actually spent a fair bit of the special focused on Paula - they had an interview with her where she talked about how Kevin Williamson convinced her to let him use her music, how Katie Homes is her fav actor on the show, the fact that the show has given her a lot of exposure to other countries - in particular Australia - then she went on to say how much she *loved* Australia, and how she had never been somewhere where she had felt so comfortable somewhere, and with the people - how we have so much love and care for the environment, etc, etc. And that she had never been somewhere where she had thought she could live apart from America. And also that she wants to come back sometime soon (I HOPE SHE DOES *LOL*) Umm.. I think that was about it. Oh just a tidbit, when they were interviewing Meredith Monroe (she plays Andie) she was saying how much she loves Paula, and is always playing her CD's - and if obsessed with her music, and is always trying to get the other cast members to listen to her music... That was it for the concert. There is also a couple of interviews and stuff floating around in a couple of australian magazines on Paula and the band. One is in this weeks New Weekly for those aussie out there.... That is about all from me -- Sara B - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ End of harbinger-digest V4 #168 *******************************