From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V4 #120 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Thursday, September 23 1999 Volume 04 : Number 120 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) Latest Paula Appearances [Momrox1@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) Latest Paula Appearances [Kelly L Murphy ] (harbinger) Sleeping On It [Kenneth R Carpenter ] (harbinger) Lyrics: Be Somebody [Kenneth R Carpenter Subject: Re: (harbinger) Latest Paula Appearances <<10/14/1999 New York NY Hard Rock Live >> I assume this is when she's PERFORMING, not when its airing, right? Just wanna make sure. Later, Kelly - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:40:37 -0400 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: RE: (harbinger) Amen Review - Summary Our friend Hol writes: "i'll admit to being a bit worried about what i'm hearing of the album. i really hope it's not as bad as you're saying it is, kenn--this is one time i'd just love to disagree with you! as for trying to sound 'hip' please, somebody, anybody, TELL me that this isn't because she's trying to capitalize on the too-close-to-teeny-bopper status of 'i don't want to wait' and that future singles will not be heard on the same radio stations that are playing crap like mariah carey (and no offense to any fan of her's out there...i'll admit to dancing around to her early stuff like everyone else) or (gulp) backstreet boys, etc, etc." * * * * * * I told you so I told you so. Kennn, you're right that an album shouldn't be judged from a partial listen. But you left out the part about the great many hunches people've had throughout history that actually turned out to be right on target. (Remember yours?--'Povie's an ass' ? ) With all due respect to Ms. Cole, It's not hard to deduce that maybe Paula (and her 'people') happened to notice that the people making all the money and getting famous in the music world are either wearing cowboy hats, piercing every available inch of skin, or prancing around in neon Spandex to a synth-generated rhythm track with some smoove rimes tossed in. Welp, she's DONE the cowboy thing, she's GOT a pierced nose, so-- What's left? Hellloooooo BackStreetBritney ColeCher Boys Band!! Is it a phase? Oh sure. And soon Cher is going to start singing with HER voice again; maybe rerelease an acoustic version of Half Breed... ...and Ricky Martin is going to go back to his TRUE work of Principal Clarinetist for the Philharmonia de Cuba, releasing several CDs showcasing his penchant for minuets and fugues. Hooey. CP - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:56:28 -0400 From: Kenneth R Carpenter Subject: (harbinger) Sleeping On It I read my entire review last night after it hit the list and then took it home and reread it while listening to Amen again. I was hoping that maybe I'd be able to see something I missed and be able to give some kind of encouraging words today. That didn't happen, I'm afraid, but I did have a chance to transcribe the lyrics for all but the last three songs. I'll post the lyrics I have right now in separate posts. Who knows if PC will be including a lyric sheet with Amen? Just in case she doesn't, I think it might come in handy to a lot of you. A couple of these songs are very hard to follow when you try to make out the lyrics the first ten or fifteen times you hear them. I have the lyrics for Suwannee Jo around here somewhere, so I'll find those and get them out tomorrow or the next day. With regard to some of the comments I read when I came in today, I guess I'm not so quick as others to smear her for making this album. Maybe I will live to regret taking that stance, but I don't think this album sucks. I want to make that clear... THIS ALBUM DOESN'T SUCK!!! There are three or four songs on Amen that definitely leave much to be desired, but there are other songs on it that I either love or like to greater or lesser degrees. It's simply not a great album. She made some mistakes here. Hell, for the first three months that I owned Harbinger, I used to skip over "Black Boots," "Our Revenge," "She Can't Feel Anything Anymore" and "Garden Of Eden." Now only "Black Boots" and, occasionally, "She Can't Feel..." get the skip treatment. That's not to say that any of the less-than-enthralling songs from Amen will enjoy the same resurrection in my CD player, but it's been known to happen to me in the past so I'm not ruling it out. When I consider how many great songs she has given us in the past six years, I, personally, can be patient for now. Contrary to the sentiments of others who seem to feel some sense of a personal betrayal, I don't see this as a new *permanent* direction for Paula's music. I think she wanted to try this sound and hopefully, at some point, the pendulum will swing somewhere back between this and the sounds of Harbinger and This Fire (which were notably different, in case you've forgotten). Maybe she did see dollar signs when she thought about riding the current wave of black music which has overrun just about every song you hear coming from anyone on MTV under 30 or so years of age. I really don't care what her reasoning was, be it good or bad. Seems simple to me... she made this album because she wanted to do so. Until I hear otherwise from her, I'll go with that. I was a member of the Ecto list at the time This Fire was released. At that time, Ecto was (and probably still is) populated largely by the 1990s no-smoking section tempeh burger coffeehouse set who, naturally, creamed over Harbinger. But, as soon as they heard This Fire, they were calling for Paula's head. Having witnessed that insurrection, I'm not too concerned about the same kind of backlash against her for Amen. This Fire attracted a lot of Liliths. Paula's career didn't suffer terribly from losing a number of her Harbinger fans to This Fire-phobia; I can see the same thing happening with her fanbase now. No one knows where she might go with her future albums. She has mentioned doing a live album in the future and has said that she would love to put out a jazz album at some point. Well, I love listening to Paula live (which is sooooo different from what she does in the studio) and I've loved each of the jazz songs she has done (Autumn Leaves, You've Changed and LeMel's Call Me Irresponsible). My position on this is that one not-so-great album isn't enough for me to walk away so easily. For Christ's sake, Anne Rice hasn't written a decent novel in about five or six years now, but I stayed loyal to her even long after she lost her touch. Just as I don't think you can judge a book from its cover (or an album from a sound clip), I have to be truly dissatisfied with a lengthy trend in a person's art before I'll pack it in. I'm still going to go see Paula and the guys perform at this industry show in a couple of weeks. I'm going to watch them on Rosie and Conan and Dave and anywhere else I can catch them on the tube. If they're back in the area, I'll go to another show on the Amen tour. I'm still going to launch the website. Paula has surprised me many times in the past few years. I hardly believe she's finished. Peace. Kenn ****************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. 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Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:07:26 -0400 From: Kenneth R Carpenter Subject: (harbinger) Lyrics: I Believe In Love _I Believe In Love_ It all started nine years ago You sat to my left back in school The future showed itself to me The god in you, the god in me, stuck together like two trees I was so shy to inquire If you'd like tea sometime But then in my Mercury Hand on hand, hand on knee, mercy mercy mercy me Hand on hand, hand on knee, mercy mercy And I believe in love to be the center of all things And I believe in love to be the way And I believe in love to be the center of all things And I believe in love to be the way to find our inner light I saw a vision where we were opening presents Christmas Day But we were not all alone The wedding vows, shot of gun We had a daughter and a son So how cool to realize You had a warm mind all the time My love burns bright as the sun The clouds may come, the clouds may go And I'll still be here at your door The clouds may come, the clouds may go And I'll still be here And I believe in love to be the center of all things And I believe in love to be the way And I believe in love to be the center of all things And I believe in love to be the way Thank you for waiting through my lovers Knowing we could come home to each other We stand waiting through these winters What you want is waiting here And I believe in love to be the center of all things And I believe in love to be the way And I believe in love to be the center of all things And I believe in love to be the way And I believe in love, love, love I believe in love I know love and I know love And I believe in love Love, love... ****************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. 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Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:26:37 -0400 From: Kenneth R Carpenter Subject: (harbinger) Lyrics: Amen _Amen_ Amen.... amen I'm siphoning gas from the high school bus Into the tank of my beat-up Bug So I can drive away from the shouting misery I drive into the night, to the hill, to the water tower To lie on my back and drink in the meteor shower Knowing that many men have lain as I do now Ptolemy, Copernicus and Carl Jung Pondering his existence Pondering his god with me now And I look to the sky and I ask these questions Yes, I feel something I don't understand Oh, can somebody say amen? Can somebody say amen? My life is but a short and precious seed Like three seasons of life in a leaf on a tree And when I cascade to the ground I will not be done I will mingle with the earth and give life to the roots again Can somebody say amen? And I look to the sky and I ask these questions Yes, I feel something I don't understand Oh, can somebody say amen? Can somebody say Amen for the drivers in the garbage trucks Amen for our mothers, for the lust to fuck Amen for the child with innocent eyes Amen for Kevorkian and the right to die Amen for NASA, the NSA * It's all a front anyway Amen for Marilyn Manson, Saddam Hussein Amen for America and the Milky Way Amen for Elvis, for Bettie Page Amen for Gloria Steinem and Ronald Reagan Amen for O.J. Clinton, too Amen for the Republican witchhunt coup Amen for Gandhi, for Malcolm X Amen for the uprising of the weaker sex Amen for Babylon, the third world's call Amen for the unity of us all. Amen... amen... amen And I am an acorn We are all leaves on this great big tree This tree that is life, that is God, that is you, that is me And under my tree like the Buddhists before and after me And I ask the stars, "What for?" 'Cause I feel something I can't explain A light that flickers off and on again And I look to the sky and I ask these questions Yes, I feel something I don't understand Oh, can somebody say amen? Can somebody say amen? Can somebody say amen? Amen... amen (*) The NSA is the National Security Agency. ****************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the original message. ****************************************************************************** - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:34:56 -0400 From: Kenneth R Carpenter Subject: (harbinger) Lyrics: La Tonya _La Tonya_ Didn't your mama tell you how to be good? Didn't your daddy tell you not to buy that kinda line? Been taught you never get somethin' for nothin' My stepfather, Dickie, say I just might get hit If I don't give The girls all whisper 'hind my back They try to break me with cruel attacks The boys they want only one thing And so I give it, don't complain Daddy's gone Mama lost her job Our house ain't a home no more Still my faith's unshaken in God I feel so lonely for hope and company I don't take much and I give everything for free So don't you want me? The girls all whisper 'hind my back My baby brother's smokin' crack The boys they want only one thing My body is my currency Daddy's gone Mama lost her job Our house ain't a home no more Still my faith's unshaken in God I'll dream I get a record deal I'll buy a way outta here Or maybe a new Lexus G Or just a friend Am I dreamin'? Am I dreamin'? There's Mr. Roberts, Juan and Paul All waiting for me down the hall But then tomorrow they don't call A moment's better than none at all Daddy's gone Mama lost her job Our house ain't a home no more Since Mama broke her soul And Daddy's gone Mama lost her job Our house ain't a home no more Still my faith's unshaken in God ****************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:41:34 -0400 From: Kenneth R Carpenter Subject: (harbinger) Lyrics: Pearl _Pearl_ Humility on Bleecker Street Expose my faults until I'm left defeated It's been three years into this relationship This is more than I ever could commit But I feel that I'm near But I feel and I fear Oh, I'm standing at the edge of another precipice in life Gotta face my Steppenwolf Gotta drag it through the mud When I get there I will see myself I will look for strength within I will be a better woman Hang in there, baby I'm the grain of sand becoming a pearl There are no role models in rock and roll No women who could have it all The long career, the man, a happy family And here I stand and, God, I do demand it But I feel that I'm near But I feel and I fear Oh, I'm standing at the edge of another precipice in life Gotta face my Steppenwolf Gotta drag it through the mud When I get there I will see myself I will look for strength within I will be a better woman Hang in there, baby I'm the grain of sand becoming a pearl It's dark in here I don't know who I am Memories come I'm wading through the room Evil side wants to drag me down Willpower God please give me sight I'm standing at the edge of another precipice in life Baggage from my family Going back to therapy I will kneel, be humble, tow the weight I will look for strength within I will be a better woman Hang in there, baby I'm the grain of sand becoming a pearl Pearl... pearl... pearl... pearl ****************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. 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Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:02:17 -0700 From: "Holly Bolt" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Sleeping On It Kenn wrote: > With regard to some of the comments I read when I came in today, I guess I'm not so > quick as others to smear her for making this album. Maybe I will live to regret taking > that stance, but I don't think this album sucks. I want to make that clear... THIS > ALBUM DOESN'T SUCK!!! I'm not sure that people on this list are necessarily "smearing" Paula. Obviously, we were all hoping to hear Kenn gush about how brilliant the new CD was. When that didn't happen, I certainly felt disappointed. I think that people are posting their initial responses to Kenn's less than stellar review of the CD and trying to figure out the reasoning behind something that is so totally different than what they expected. I think that some of the upcoming appearances and other promotional type stuff that we'll see may help to provide some answers to our questions about this new direction. Let's face it... Paula is an extremely talented and diverse musician. Although I haven't heard Amen yet, it is safe to say that Harbinger and This Fire were two very different CDs. I think that it is natural for people to want to hear more of whatever made them love Paula's music to begin with. I think that it's also very natural for Paula to want to stretch her wings and experiment. Who knows what her motivations were for the songs on the CD? Quite frankly, who cares? I think that sometimes fans feel a sense of entitlement and forget that art belong to the artists. Paula created this CD for *herself.* Either we will like it, as we have in the past, or we won't. Kenn wrote: > I'm still going to go see Paula and the guys perform at this industry show in a couple > of weeks. I'm going to watch them on Rosie and Conan and Dave and anywhere > else I can catch them on the tube. If they're back in the area, I'll go to another > show on the Amen tour. I'm still going to launch the website. Paula has surprised > me many times in the past few years. I hardly believe she's finished. Even if I don't *LOVE* Amen, you can bet I'll be there next time she comes through Portland. I think Kenn makes a good point when he talks about quality of Ms. Cole's live shows. The arrangements are often very different than the recordings. I think that many of us are probably attracted to her *passion* and that comes through best at a live show. I think it's safe to say that although I really liked Paula's music at first, I didn't LOVE it until the first time I saw her live. ~Holly - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:08:16 -0400 From: Kenneth R Carpenter Subject: (harbinger) Lyrics: Be Somebody _Be Somebody_ I wanna be somebody I wanna make it happen Little boy caught in a drive-by Witnessed the killer who made his daddy die Because he identified and signed the dotted line He could feel it in his stomach He signed away his life Little boy who once was the leader of his class Had been a source of joy, always neatly dressed There would hang his head and be left crying at his desk Was found with his mother, lying in her lap With two bullets in his chest And, oh, my God, what is this madness? I will not let it kill my gladness And, oh, my God, what is this madness? My joy inside will send this message I wanna be somebody I wanna make a difference For we all are children of the Mother I wanna be somebody I wanna make a difference For we all are children of the Father Outspoken man leading sisters and brothers Picked himself up from hustling drugs in gutters Doing time on the inside he found a higher power Now back with a mission to help us help each other Respected from bourgeoisie to homeless in the street From universities, Africa, the Middle East And through the threats of death he spoke truth and set men free But the power of the truth made enemies of the weak He was killed by his own people And, oh, my God, what is this madness? I will not let it kill my gladness And, oh, my God, what is this madness? My joy inside will send this message I wanna be somebody I wanna make a difference For we all are children of the Mother I wanna be somebody I wanna make a difference For we all are children If life is full, it's said, it's light that is the truth Shake off the system's chains No longer be their fool In the face of brutality show the other cheek Take a [?] but let me kill no dignity And, oh, my God, what is this madness? I will not let it kill my gladness And, oh, my God, what is this madness? My joy inside will send this message ** Open your heart and sing ** Open your heart and sing ** Open your heart and sing ** Lift up your voice and sing ** Lift up your voice and sing ** Lift up your voice and sing ** Open your heart and sing I wanna be somebody ** Open your heart and sing I wanna make a difference ** Open your heart and sing For we all are children of the Mother ** Lift up your voice and sing I wanna be somebody ** Lift up your voice and sing I wanna make a difference ** Lift up your voice and sing For we all are children of the Father ****************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. 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