From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V4 #108 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Thursday, September 9 1999 Volume 04 : Number 108 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) Songwriting [steven.stewart@nokia.com] Re: (harbinger) Songwriting ["Steve Bornstein" ] Re: (harbinger) paula cole, and more. [DWspinTHIS@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:59:28 +0300 From: steven.stewart@nokia.com Subject: (harbinger) Songwriting Just wanted to thank Preston for his informative defense of artists as well as songwriters. I think it is important to remember that ever people who are thought of as singer/songwriters will often record other people's songs (Sheryl Crow just recorded a Dylan track and a Guns and Roses track...Paula gets some of her best responses from her live version of Dolly Parton's Jolene). I think it is probably more fulfilling for an artist to write his or her own material, but covering other people's songs doesn't make someone less of an artist. Garth Brooks actually DOES write a majority of his music, but it is more important to him to try to get great songs than it is for him to write everything. And I have recently seen a lot of other artists start to grow as songwriters. Amanda Marshall (her new album is great!!!) only wrote a few tracks on her debut album, but wrote the majority of the songs for her second album. Trisha Yearwood is actually an excellent songwriter, but has rarely (if ever?) chosen to sing her own songs because she still thinks that other people's material is stronger. Even Celine has started cowriting songs and had a UK hit with Treat her like a Lady that she cowrote. And I agree...Natalie Imbruglia is actually a talented all-around artist. It is just too bad some people burned out on an admittedly well crafted song TORN and didn't listen to the rest of the album...and as Preston mentioned, the cool and unusual Bsides. I guess my point is that although I really respect singer/songwriter/producers (that would be Paula!) because what they are performing has come from their own experiences and vision...I still enjoy hearing Sarah McLachlan completely redo "Unchained Melody" and "Dear God" and Joan Osbourne singing "One of Us" as well as hearing their original work. And as a songwriter, I often would rather her someone else interpret my songs rather than have me sing them. Sometimes it brings a song to life in a way the writer can't. Thanks for the interesting topic. Steven Stewart (To hear if you think I know what I am talking about as a songwriter, download some of my free mp3s.) http://www.mp3.com/fakefinn - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 07:46:50 PDT From: "Steve Bornstein" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Songwriting In defense of hol's position (though she is fully capable of defending herself) I think she was lambasting pre-fab groups who are put together to be mass marketed rather than express deeply felt beliefs. After all, our Ms Cole has been known to cover other peoples' songs on occasion ("La Vie En Rose," "Jolene"), so I don't think she meant to completely discount people who do that. I'll agree with those who feel her blanket condemnation is harsh, but groups that are created through a cynical attempt to cash in do indeed clog the airwaves and fill the bins at stores, which makes it hader for artists with something worth saying to do just that. Of course, enough people buy this product (that's what it is, not art) to make producers/promoters/marketing reps/professional songwriters/etc drool and churn out more and more. Didn't Spice Girls answer a trade ad? That worked. Then Geri Halliwell decided she actually wanted to show she had some talent - then what happened? Remember The Monkees? They responded to an ad, too. Then a few album down the line they started playing their own instruments, writing their own songs, and their sales dropped off but they got a little respect. Mike Nesmith at least went on to have a pretty nice career as a singer, songwriter, and producer. Surprised a lot of people. Well, I could go on, but I've got to get back to work. Lucky you! Peace JourneyBear ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:30:15 EDT From: LENDINGGRP@aol.com Subject: (harbinger) Re: harbinger-digest V4 #107 what radio station are they playing it on? Cant download either - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian C Subject: Re: (harbinger) Re: harbinger-digest V4 #107 You could probably go to http://www.rronline.com/. It's a radio industry magazine that contains playlists for various radio stations in the country. - -Bri - --- LENDINGGRP@aol.com wrote: > what radio station are they playing it on? Cant > download either > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe harbinger > > Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above > instruction will > work for your EVERY time. > > Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: > http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:50:12 -0700 From: Larry Sievers Subject: (harbinger) Samples from Amen Forgive me if these addresses have been posted in the past. Here are some addresses for samples from Paula's new album: (These URL's may have wrapped - paste accordingly) I Believe In Love http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/eras/B00001P4OQ001001/002-4693902-0533255 Amen http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/eras/B00001P4OQ001002/002-4693902-0533255 LaTonya http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/eras/B00001P4OQ001003/002-4693902-0533255 Pearl http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/eras/B00001P4OQ001004/002-4693902-0533255 Be Somebody http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/eras/B00001P4OQ001005/002-4693902-0533255 Larry Sievers mailto:tech@chukchi.com - --------------------------------------------------------- "Alaskana, Multimedia, Kiosks, Video Production and More" http://www.touch-alaska.com http://www.bob-munden.com http://www.quietheart.com http://www.chukchi.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:45:08 EDT From: DWspinTHIS@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) paula cole, and more. In a message dated 9/7/99 9:51:55 AM Central Daylight Time, AberGuy18@aol.com writes: <> i wasn't putting natalie imbruglia DOWN! i KNOW she's got talent, i bought her CD the day it came out, and i HAVE all of those singles. and i never said that artists that don't write/play their own songs didn't HAVE talent. sure, they can sing (which, btw, bette midler has written many of her own songs, and collaborates on countless others) but my point is, they just don't earn my RESPECT. hardly anyone bothers to give the real people behind the song any credit. as in "have you heard that new last kiss song by pearl jam? isn't eddie vedder the best?" hello! that's not even a new song! that doesn't mean that i'm putting pearl jam down as a whole. the fact is, nobody even bothered to read what i had to say, all i was stating is that artists like that don't deserve much respect in my OPINION, and everybody has their own opinion. i also didn't say that songwriters can never ever cover a song. where did i say that? i'm talking, (yes, thank you journey bear) of the people that are only in it for the money. it takes away from the whole meaning of music for me, and it should for everyone else. and i think that if people looked at music from every angle, it would eliminate a lot of crap that's on the airwaves (i.e. "mtv killed rock") hol - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. 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