From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V4 #103 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Saturday, September 4 1999 Volume 04 : Number 103 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- Re: (harbinger) "I Believe In Love" Lyrics [bobs@virtualone.com (Bob Smit] Re: (harbinger) A few personal views about the new single.... [Brian C Subject: Re: (harbinger) A few personal views about the new single.... Dear Kenn and all, I was driving in to work this morning and I heard IBIL once again. They play it all the time here in Seattle. I decided this morning that I completely LOVE this song. I think she just sounds phenomonal and it's such a feel good song. When I got here to work, I checked my email and found that great link for the free download for the String Version of IBIL. Thanks Preston for finding this. Now I can just keep it on repeat at work and not wait for the radio to play it. I have to say that this isn't the version that they're playing on the radio. The guitar version is what's on the air. It rocks a bit more and the guitars just replace the strings. The guitar version is also a little shorter (the intro is cut down a bit). I do hope that they release both versions, when and if they release a single. They both sound very similar but kinda' give a different feel to it. I think the strings give it more of that 70s feel to it. Anyway, that's my take on the song. I'm off to see the Indigo Girls tonight at Bumbershoot (a great, cheap, 4 day music fest here in Seattle). I hope everyone has a great long weekend. - -Bri - --- Kenneth R Carpenter wrote: > First, my heartfelt thanks to Preston for the > heads-up on CDNow's Liquid Audio offering of "I > Believe In Love." I hadn't heard the song until > today and now I just finished listening to it about > twenty times back to back. > > Those of you who have known me for the past few > years know that, while I'm a big fan of Paula's, I > don't hesitate to mention those instances when she > or her music leave me feeling less than > enthusiastic. I've often mentioned that "Black > Boots" has always left me wondering "why did she > have to write that Blaaaaack Boooooots." Even the > best of musicians/songwriters can do bad things > every now and then. > > But, fortunately for us, artists with the talent > that Paula possesses, more often than not, do really > good things. And that's what she has done with "I > Believe In Love." I am so happy right now. I'm > sitting here at the office entirely blissed out from > having heard not only *new* Paula music (always a > blessed event) but *REALLY GOOD* new Paula music. > > What a great song!!! > > Admittedly, it's a radio friendly tune, but most > first singles from new albums need to be these days > if the rest of the album is going to stand a chance. > The song is destined for Top 10 status. VH1 will > be playing the hell out of it and the chorus will be > stuck in your head for a good long time (just like > it happened with "Cowboys"). But all of that > marketing strategy aside, this is just a downright > lovely song. > > The lyrics are sweet and uplifting. The string > section is warm and soaring. The backbeat is > infectious. I can see where critics have said that > the instrumentation is retro-70s, but it's not like > you just put a Barry White or Donna Summer CD in the > player. An unobtrusive wocka-wocka of a bass guitar > and the chicka-chicka-chicka-chicka of a rhythm egg > lends the song a 70s R&B air, but this song has been > blessed with Paula's touch and she managed to bring > a fresh new face to that old sound. > > I mentioned recently that "Free" seemed to be a sort > of a love song to Seyi. I'm still pretty sure > that's the case and now he has another song written > in his honor. "I Believe In Love" is definitely > about him and Paula. The lyrics tell the story... > "It all started nine years ago/You sat to my left > back in school/The future showed itself to me/The > god in you, the god in me, stuck together like two > trees..." > > I'm going to send the lyrics to the song in a > separate post. > > But, most importantly.... Paula's voice absolutely > flows out of her with ease and confidence. A friend > of mine was listening to the song with me and he > mentioned that he had noticed that he had always > noticed a bit of hesitation in some of Paula's > earlier work, as though she was holding back and > thinking too much about what she was going to see > rather than just letting it rip on the powerful > songs or flow on the moody stuff. I have noticed > that at times before, too. It never detracted from > how much I loved the music at the end of the day, > but it's so great to think that she might have > overcome that obstacle. > > Overall, IBIL is probably not the best song Paula > has ever written or will ever write, but it's still > damned good. I'll be surprised if there are many > fans out there who don't like the song. By the way, > it appears the string version of the song is what > will appear on the album. At least that's what they > are offering in Liquid Audio format at CDNow. I'm > wondering if the guitar version is some kind of > acoustic rendition. I can't imagine how she could > pare it down to an acoustic track, but if anyone > can, it'd be Paula. > > Now get over to CDNow and listen to the track. It's > only going to be available until > > Peace. > > Kenn > > ****************************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail message is > intended only for the personal and confidential use > of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be > an attorney-client communication and as such is > privileged and confidential. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient or an agent > responsible for delivering it to the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that you have > received this document in error and that any review, > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this > message is strictly prohibited. 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Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:36:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian C Subject: Re: (harbinger) "I Believe In Love" Lyrics Oops, I also forgot to thank Kenn for jotting down the lyrics. I've been reading along while listening. - --- Kenneth R Carpenter wrote: > Sorry to keep you in suspense on that last post. > Hit send too soon. The song is available in Liquid > Audio at CDNow until October 5th. I thought it said > September 5th. Sorry for the alarm. > > Anyway, I transcribed the lyrics to "I Believe In > Love" while I was sitting here playing it over and > over again. I have to say that the bridge of the > song is killer. Carter mentioned in the ICE article > that he thinks the bridge to "Amen" is > "unbelievable." If it's better than this one, we're > in for a treat. > > Here's the disclaimer: There are a couple of lines > in the second verse about which I'm unsure, but to > the best of my knowledge and considering the > limitations of my ears, these are the lyrics: > > _I Believe In Love_ > > It all started nine years ago > You sat to my left back in school > The future showed itself to me > The god in you, the god in me, stuck together like > two trees > I was so shy to inquire > If you'd like tea sometime > But then in my Mercury > Hand on hand, hand on knee, mercy mercy mercy me > Hand on hand, hand on knee, mercy mercy > > And I believe in love to be the center of all things > And I believe in love to be the way > And I believe in love to be the center of all things > And I believe in love to be the way to find our > inner light > > I saw a vision where we were opening presents > Christmas Day > But we were not all alone > The wedding vows, shot of gun > We had a daughter and a son > So how cool to realize > You had a warm mind all the time > My love burns bright as the sun > The clouds may come, the clouds may go > And I'll still be here at your door > The clouds may come, the clouds may go > And I'll still be here > > And I believe in love to be the center of all things > And I believe in love to be the way > And I believe in love to be the center of all things > And I believe in love to be the way > > Thank you for waiting through my lovers > Knowing we could come home to each other > We stand waiting through these winters > What you want is waiting here > > And I believe in love to be the center of all things > And I believe in love to be the way > And I believe in love to be the center of all things > And I believe in love to be the way > > And I believe in love, love, love > I believe in love > I know love and I know love > And I believe in love > Love, love... > > > > Enjoy, folks! > > Peace. > > Kenn > > ****************************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail message is > intended only for the personal and confidential use > of the recipient(s) named above. 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Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:50:24 -0700 (PDT) From: David Doody Subject: Re: (harbinger) A few personal views about the new single.... On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Brian C wrote: > I was driving in to work this morning and I heard IBIL once again. > They play it all the time here in Seattle. I wouldn't say "all the time" but I've heard it several times on KMTT. :-) They guarantee to play songs only once between 9-5, so that limits airplay somewhat. And every time they play it they mention how the audience is divided (love it or hate it) on the song...so today's discussion isn't too surprising... > I decided this morning that I completely LOVE this song. Me too! And the strings version is even cooler than the radio version, IMO. Though I can understand why she'd release the version she did... I knew there'd be a "sell-out" discussion, but I didn't expect such a response from Povie. Maybe he's just pulling our collective leg once again...(BTW, you should put Paula's bf's head on the woman's figure in your picture, Povie ;-)) > Anyway, that's my take on the song. I'm off to see the Indigo Girls > tonight at Bumbershoot (a great, cheap, 4 day music fest here in > Seattle). I hope everyone has a great long weekend. I'm goin' too. Only doing 3 days this year (I've promised myself I'd cut back, since I always end up exhausted after the long weekend ;-)) but there are some great acts coming. Willis, Hank Dogs, IGs, Great Big Sea (I like their one song I've heard), Emmylou Harris and Linda Ronstadt, Sinead Lohan, Cry Cry Cry, Cake, Loudon Wainwright III, Kate and Anna McGarrigle...whew! I'm sure there are tons more I won't be able to make it to, and other as yet undiscovered gems. Now if only the weather will hold out... Oh, that reminds me. Did I hear mention on this list of Ana Egge? She's playing the festival and I'll work harder to check her out if someone gives a strong recommendation... Sorry for the NPC there folks. ;-) Dave - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian C Subject: Re: (harbinger) A few personal views about the new single.... Hey, it's good to hear from another Seattlite on here. Actually, Star101.5 & KISS106.1 are both playing IBIL as well. BTW, I love Paula's new look. She's doing the heavy eyeliner thing and guess what!?! She shaved the pits! It actually has never bothered me, but there was so much BS from people thinking it was disguisting. I've never heard anyone say anything about Ani DiFranco or other female artists who don't shave their pits. Whatever, I thought I'd just share that part of her "new look" since I know that there are some people that do care about that. I agree that the string version is better and LONGER!!! I also like her vocals and that quick layer of harmony that she does towards the end of the song. I'm psyched to see Sinead Lohan tomorrow night. My friend saw her at the King Kat Theatre earlier this year and said that she rocked. She's opening for Steve Winwood, so I'll be hitting the beer garden after her show . Take care and if anyone else on this list is going to Bumbershoot, I hope you have a great time. There are a ton of great musicians this year. - -Bri - --- David Doody wrote: > On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Brian C wrote: > > > I was driving in to work this morning and I heard > IBIL once again. > > They play it all the time here in Seattle. > > I wouldn't say "all the time" but I've heard it > several times on KMTT. :-) > They guarantee to play songs only once between 9-5, > so that limits airplay > somewhat. And every time they play it they mention > how the audience is > divided (love it or hate it) on the song...so > today's discussion isn't too > surprising... > > > I decided this morning that I completely LOVE this > song. > > Me too! And the strings version is even cooler than > the radio version, > IMO. Though I can understand why she'd release the > version she did... I > knew there'd be a "sell-out" discussion, but I > didn't expect such a > response from Povie. Maybe he's just pulling our > collective leg once > again...(BTW, you should put Paula's bf's head on > the woman's figure in > your picture, Povie ;-)) > > > Anyway, that's my take on the song. I'm off to > see the Indigo Girls > > tonight at Bumbershoot (a great, cheap, 4 day > music fest here in > > Seattle). I hope everyone has a great long > weekend. > > I'm goin' too. Only doing 3 days this year (I've > promised myself I'd cut > back, since I always end up exhausted after the long > weekend ;-)) but > there are some great acts coming. Willis, Hank > Dogs, IGs, Great Big Sea > (I like their one song I've heard), Emmylou Harris > and Linda Ronstadt, > Sinead Lohan, Cry Cry Cry, Cake, Loudon Wainwright > III, Kate and Anna > McGarrigle...whew! I'm sure there are tons more I > won't be able to make it > to, and other as yet undiscovered gems. Now if only > the weather will hold > out... > > Oh, that reminds me. Did I hear mention on this > list of Ana Egge? She's > playing the festival and I'll work harder to check > her out if someone > gives a strong recommendation... > > Sorry for the NPC there folks. ;-) > > Dave > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe harbinger > > Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above > instruction will > work for your EVERY time. > > Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: > http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Btw, if you are an AOL subscriber the above instruction will work for your EVERY time. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:52:56 -0400 From: Kenneth R Carpenter Subject: Re: (harbinger) I Believe In Love Never one to mince words, Chris Povie writes: >> I am decidedly from the "Disco Sux" school-- very little 'dance music' has >> EVER had any weight, meaning or musical importance. >> Add this one to the heap. >> Shame on you Paula Cole. Yeah! That's right! Burn, witch! Burn!!!! ; ) It should come as no surprise that I'll defend Chris' right to an opinion about Paula's music (or anything else for that matter) to the bitter end. If he doesn't like the song, he doesn't like the song. I think his comments to the list and Photoshop creations about Paula are unduly harsh, but that comes as no real surprise. The Chris I've come to know isn't about mainstream thinking or self-expression. But, opinions of IBIL aside, I beg to differ with Chris' summary dismissal of the importance of most disco/dance music, especially when the only support he has given so far for his complaints against the genre comes from the "because I said so" school of thought. I guess I would want to ask this: Who's to say that Paula should produce only a product that is meaty and meaningful? Not every form of expression has to fall on the audience's ears full of wisdom, insight and gut-wrenching truths. Hell, we don't live our everyday lives that way (unless you're a member of the cast of The Real World, of course), so it just doesn't make sense to me that the art we use to express what we experience in the world we live in should somehow be viewed as legitimate, meaningful, useful or enjoyable only if it's weighty and chock full o' angst. In the past fifteen years, I've probably listened to more than my share of that kind of music, and, for the most part, I have enjoyed it immensely. I like the dark, serious stuff as much as the next guy/gal. A lot of it has helped me with introspection, maturity and my own creativity. For that I'm grateful. But, every now and then it's refreshing to just listen to something that makes you want to dance and be in a good mood and forget about that stuff for four or five minutes. To be hopeful about life. People my age now have lived through Sex Pistols punk, Bauhaus goth/gloom rock, Kurt Cobain's post-alternative grunge, Marilyn Manson's shockrock and the mournful cry of about fifty or so stricken Lilith balladeers. I, for one, am overdue for some uplifting music every and now then. To me, "upbeat" doesn't have to mean "weak." I'll still never buy a Mariah albums and the phenomenon known as Britney Spears continues to frighten me on a daily basis, but I've said before that I am not ashamed to say that I like some of the stuff the Backstreet Boys have done and I will never be convinced by anyone that Erasure, Jimmy Sommerville and the Pet Shop Boys haven't made valuable, meaningful contributions to the world of music despite the disco nature of their music. What it really comes down to is that music, of any genre and from any era, can be used as a way of getting a glimpse into what was going on socially, politically, culturally, etc. at the time it was created. That alone makes any song valuable and important to a certain extent. But, you know what? Even if a lot of those songs weren't or aren't changing the world, at least some of them are making us feel good for a little while. Here a quote from Paula that I read on that Liquid Audio deal. She's referring to why she wanted to do this album. "It was really important for me to make an uplifting record, especially now with the coming of the millenium. I think people are feeling a lot of conflicting emotions and contemplating their mortality a little more than ever before. With that in mind, I wanted to make a positive contribution through music - an album that fills people with hope and makes them want to dance around their living room." Bearing that in mind, I can say that even if I hate the rest of the album, I won't damn her for trying to do some good by recording Amen. Peace. Kenn Shame on you Paula Cole. ****************************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is privileged and confidential. 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