From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V4 #48 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Thursday, April 22 1999 Volume 04 : Number 048 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- Re: (harbinger) Re: Muzak ["Steve Bornstein" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Re: Muzak Ooowhee! I've never been so lucky/unlucky as to have my ears assaulted/insulted in such a weird manner. However, one supermarket I have frequented used to have Muzak with a '60's - '70's bend. You have not lived a fully inexplicable life until you've heard a Muzak version of something like The Amboy Dukes' "Journey To The Center Of Your Mind" (Ted Nugent's first band) or Moby Grape's "8:05". This last one is so obscure (yet lovely) I still can't believe someone thought to Muzakize it. Almost as weird (and kind of to balance this)is the fact that the first time I heard a cut off of Patty Larkin's just-released album "Strangers World" in 1994 - and i mean I didn't even know it was out yet at the time - was over the in-store music system in a grocery store. Go figure Peace JourneyBear _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger That's the way to unsub even for poor, benighted AOL users. Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:48:54 -0500 From: Zia MiChelle Subject: (harbinger) music a recipe for murder My fellow posters, I don't know where to begin, I don't know what to say but I know something needs to be said. First of all I am sure all of you are aware of the violent senseless massacre at Columbine High School in the Colorado suburb of Littleton and my greatest condolences to the community of Littleton during this loss. I am extremely saddened by this tragedy as is most of the world Secondly, I would like to express my my sorrow to the youth of America who have been affected by the shooting tragedies in Arkansas, Kentucky, Oregon, and Alaska. I am so grateful that nothing like this has happened in my hometown community or in any community I have ever lived in so far, but it also makes me aware more and more that it can happen ANYWHERE. Thirdly, I wanna bring up the topic I set this message as. As many of you are aware there has been remarks made that the gunmen in Colorado were driven to kill from the lyrics of songs by KFMDM. The lyrics of one song, "Son of A Gun" by this band were said to be a major player in the deaths at Columbine. The mention of other artists such as Marilyn Manson have been linked to the murderous actions of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. In our past musicians have been put in the spotlight when these murders occur. In the late 80's it was the band Megadeth if I remember right who was charged in the suicide death of a young man. The fact is music no matter what the lyrical content does not cause someone to go out and kill a group of people or yourself. However, I will not say that lyrics do not in some cases however rare promote the concept to kill. Personally I think we all listen to some music that could place us into the category of being influenced no matter what the lyrics mean beyond the words themselves. The issue of music being a recipe for murder was approached in 1992 and the conclusion was made that those who commit crimes had tendencies for murder before the music came into their life. It also went on to say that musical lyrics were not analyzed for content. These findings can be found at: http://rock.uwc.edu/psych/psy330/spamtour/suicide.htm I am wondering how long it will be til our music is looked at as a recipe for murder. Will people someday take the lyrics of "Throwing Stones" by Paula Cole where it says "so call me a bitch in heat and I will call you a motherfucker and we'll throw stones until we are dead" wrongly and confuse the lyrics as a way to end namecalling by stoning. Or will the lryics of Shawn Colvin's "Sunny Came Home" be taken as the right to destroy a life. The lyrics could be a depiction of a woman is in crisis who goes home and sets the place ablaze only to free herself and her children. The lyrics state that "Sunny came home with a mission..." and goes on to say "...Get the kids and bring a sweater, Dry is good and wind is better, Count the years, you always knew it, Strike a match, go on and do it". These are just two songs right off the bat I can think of in which lyrics could be taken into another sense by a depressed person. I am outraged that the media can take a song and put in the context that the lyrics were the driving force behind the crime at hand. I know it is highly unlikely that a song by Paula or Shawn could ever be brought up in a murder case but I am saying that we as a nation need to speak out and let the media know music does not kill. I am sure this posting is going to make some of you angry but I wonder as a nation how long it will be before we are attacked and our freedom to speak our mind in music and other forms of art is taken from us. Music has already been attacked by the media saying that it is the driving force behind sexual orientation, promiscuity and even murder. How long do we plan to sit here and not defend the music industry?? Will it come to the point we are having to buy and sell music completely underground?? Could it become illegal to speak our minds?? What can become of music if we sit back?? Just think about life without music or a life in which recording and owning music was a crime...could it happen if crimes continue to be linked to music?? Finally, I want to say that I do not listen to the KMFDM or do I listen to much music classified as metal or death type music but I do support a musician as an artist and I do support the first amendment. It is just time for someone to step forward and teach our children a life without hatred and without all the lessons we were taught as a society. I tend to agree with things I have heard on the news lately that we as a nation are violent...look at Kosovo for example we don't like how someone is treating someone so we go in and drop bombs and take guns and kill those we hold responsible...does that make us as a nation any different???? Thanks for your time ZiaMiChelle "afraid to break the silence in the room disbelieving faces stare me down search the world for evidence of faith can you hear me can you hear me now?" ~evidence~ TaraMacLean - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger That's the way to unsub even for poor, benighted AOL users. 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