From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V3 #247 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Wednesday, August 26 1998 Volume 03 : Number 247 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) A Refresher course.... [HunterXTC@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger [HunterXTC@aol.com] (harbinger) Lilith, this year vs last.... [HunterXTC@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger [Kellykell9@aol.com] (harbinger) Page Error Fixed! ["Laura Martin" ] (harbinger) Just a little something.. ["Robby VanSciver" ] Re: (harbinger) Just a little something.. [MAXMOUZE@aol.com] (harbinger) Sigh [Connie and John Groer ] (harbinger) Paula at the Gorge [Larry Sievers ] (harbinger) How does one moron-proof a list? [jason and jill ] Re: (harbinger) How does one moron-proof a list? [DWspinTHIS@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) How does one moron-proof a list? [MAXMOUZE@aol.com] (harbinger) RE: Happy Home [Paul Zastrow ] Re: (harbinger) How does one moron-proof a list? [eric_antos@juno.com] (harbinger) A barren place [LeShawnte@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:46:54 EDT From: HunterXTC@aol.com Subject: (harbinger) A Refresher course.... So my fellow list members.... This was one of my favorite post of all time, and I thought it might be a good time to bring out again... the elusive Jason sent it many moons ago.... The time has come again for: THE INTERNET STEPS OF MUSIC ARTIST SUCCESS: 1) I just saw ____________ on MTV/VH1 for the first time. 2) MTV/VH1 did this segment about ________________. 3) _____________ will be Conan tonight. 4) _____________ will be on Letterman tonight. 5) _____________ will be on Leno tonight. 6) Yes! ____________________'s cd has gone gold! And then comes the "gee, did I really want these original fans?" stage: 6) _____________ is playing in a larger venue this time around and I miss being able to see _____________ in a small, cozy club. 7) You know, with _________________ being on TV and in magazines, I'm worried were going to lose _________________ and everyone's going to start listening to __________________. 8) I went to _______________'s concert and there were all these regular mall- type people there and it really upset me. 9) MTV/VH1/KRND is really overplaying __________________. 10) [To new subscribers asking questions] Well, those of who were with ___________ from the beginning know that's a really stupid question and the answer is __________________. 11) I heard __________________ on the radio today again and I really am sick of it and I don't really listen to the cd much anymore. 12) [Again to new subscriber} ________________ is NOT ______________'s first cd, ________________ is. You really should go buy _______________ b/c it is much better than the new one that's being played on MTV all the time. 13) I went to see ______________ tonight and there were way too many people and the venue was too large, so I'm not going to go see _____________ anymore, probably. And while this is going on, starting among the general net population is: 14) _________________? She sucks. People are just buying her cd b/c MTV is shoving it down their throats. 15) You know, I'm upset that Martian Snot Rockets can't get on MTV, but MTV shows _________________ all the time. 16) _________________ ought to stick to playing with Hootie and the other sell-outs. 17) I liked _______________'s cd __________________ (naming a cd issued by an entirely different act), but the new one stinks. 18) Thank God MTV played Martian Snot Rocket's "We have no talent" this afternoon, instead of just playing Hootie, ALanis, Sheryl Crow, and ___________ all day. 19) ________________? I'm really not interested in hearing her music, she gets so much press attention that I can't see how the cd could be any good. After all, it was good she wouldn't need all the publicity to sell it. On our next episode: If alternative music fans/people are so alternative, why are they so goddam predictable? Jason - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:30:05 EDT From: HunterXTC@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger First of all... I just wanted to say thanks to Rachel for that insightful post... I have been hanging around as of late, not bothering to post because well.... there's been nothing much to inspire me to post... it's rather obvious to those of us who have been on this list for quite awhile that Paula is no longer our little secret, and hell she shouldn't be... she too much of a talent to stay hidden away. And I think that if we all think back to those days of old, we had the conversation over and over, the "what happens when Paula gets popular", the "ohhhh what will the new people be like"... Well.... welcome to Harbinger, August 1998 style. Petty yet internecine bickering that does nothing for anyone except make us wonder "why", and there's no answer to why, because people have their own personalites and all that... and as Paula has become more popular, you were bound to see a shifting on this list, and whether that's evolution or devolution is in the eye of the beholder. I will say this though, and I dare anyone to say I'm wrong... in the past the list was much more Paula-driven, the chat was on her and not our personalites, or our hopeless attempts to be witty or cutting. It just seems so silly to me, I dunno... maybe I wear those John Lennon "give peace a chance glasses" much too much, but geez... why can't we just have a bit of sanity around here... It always comes back to the eternal "why"... strong personalites want to dominate, and if it's for the common good of the list then I think thats all good. I guess this list is to the point where we have "old school" Harbinger folks, the people who could care less about all the petty personal BS and are just in it for musical information, and that "new school" Harbinger group who like to get off a quick and deadly volley to knock someone down, make them small, and in the process make themselves look witty or cunning or whatever. I really don't get it. But I won't put you folks down because when all is said and done, you have just as much right to post anything here as I do. Just don't diss me if I quickly hit the delete button as your mail comes up.... Here are a couple of things that I have questions about that perhaps someone with Paula knowledge can help me with.... 1--- Where is Phil Sullivan???? I had read a rumour of sorts that he was no longer with Paula... fact or fiction??? 2--- Where is Jason??? In the past, when this list was reaching critical mass, he was right there to wield his authority (which at times I didn't agree with, but always respected). In a way, I'm really amused by the way this list has shifted. I have a friend out in Sacramento who is deeply into the Sarah newgroup, and she always offers me little ditties on how people are obsessed by the clothes she wears, or the fact that she is married and the girls are sooo depressed because they wanted to sleep with her... and then I say to myself, it would be nice to be able to come to the Harbinger list and just hear half that stuff.. at least the people are talking about Sarah and not the personalites of the brothers and sisters of the list.... yeah I'm amused, but sad.... I think on the whole, the folks on this list are highly intelligent, and because of that intelligence they sometimes take things said as an affront to their woman/man hood. I think everyone that knows me knows that I respect Kenn very very much, and that as much as some of you might not want to agree with this, for a long time he was probably the heart and soul of this list... his posts made me want to post, made me want to offer an opinion, made me want to look into various aspect of stuff that Paula was into and that I was not familar with... and I dont think that made me a submissive sheep or anything... it made me a more intelligent person in regards to Paula's music and her life in general.... and so for those of you who have come to feel that he is not all that.. I ask you this... what are you contributing to this list???? What are you stimulating besides your own egos??? Ahhhh.. that was a bit harsh... sorry. I guess I am at fault also for not contributing more.. after all the list is what we make it, so I guess in a sense we all share the blame that is is devolving into the shouting matches of the last few months. Perhaps if we all make an effort to post some Paula related stuff and ignore the petty sniping, the patient can still be saved. Or maybe there are some folks who like this August "98 version of Harbinger. I don't. And so I guess I'm gonna get off my ass and do some posting..... Still wondering why I'm thinking the Smashing Pumpkins Adore may be the best record I've bought this year (shudder...) Spanish - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:52:42 EDT From: HunterXTC@aol.com Subject: (harbinger) Lilith, this year vs last.... I must admit, I didn't go to the Fair this year... Number 1 because I didn't really think the talent was as spectacular at the Cleveland or Pittsburgh shows last year (god that Pittsburgh show.. Shawn Colvin... Patty Griffin... Sheryl Crow....Jewel... Sarah.. and the Indigo Girls???!!!)... I guess I just wanted to get some imnpressions from people who have been to shows this year and last... my thoughts are that this year it's just much more corporate driven, which is all well and good in terms of raising money for causes, but what does it say about the purity of the idea behind it??? I just think Sarah is this really saavy businesswoman who is riding a tide of public admiration for her quest to give women a chance to a chance to express themselves... but when i think of Lilith Fair, being a year removed from actually being there, I see it less as a forum for women, and more of a We Are the World/ Live Aid kinda thing.. although I'd be lying if I said I knew whether those fund raisers had corporate sponsorship. I love the fact that Paula remains loyal to the event, but I also applaud for being bold enough to get out there on the HORDE tour, even though that crowd definately wasnt her sort of crowd... but thats what made it all the better for me... she left the soft coccoon of Lilith Fair to try something different. One show I recently saw that I think would have been absolutely perfect for someone like Paula was the Suffragette Sessions, which I thought was sorta disappointing because of the lack of preparation, and the lack of cohesiveness in the group of women who are doing the tour.... it could have used someone like Paula to kinda be the glue for so many disjointed parts... Still wondering why they call it Stormy Monday, but Tuesday's just as bad (for all the T-Bone Walker fans in the house) Spanish - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:57:39 EDT From: Kellykell9@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger In a message dated 8/25/98 7:31:59 PM EST, HunterXTC@aol.com writes: << Where is Phil Sullivan???? >> if i'm not mistaken, i think it was steve b. who said that phil was just *taking time off* to regroup.......i don't know for sure though. i hope he comes around again real soon. i liked having him around. - -kelly - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:54:18 -0400 From: "Laura Martin" Subject: (harbinger) Page Error Fixed! Hi! In case any of you have visited my Paula site and discovered that there was a bad link to the lyrics for This Fire, be rest assured you won't discover that again. So please drop in (unannounced even!) whether or not you've seen it already! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/5569/paula.html Hope to see you there! Thanks! Silence faith and luck, Erin - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:10:49 -0400 From: "Robby VanSciver" Subject: (harbinger) Just a little something.. Ok, I've just been chatting a little on mIRC, and finally decided to email the list what I thought about all this. The person in there (she/he..never asked) said that he is waiting for the "list war" to be over, and he has in the past too started a "list war" Anyway, I just wanted to say that I did a little asking around.. Just now.. The people I chat with, they're all (around) my age; not on mIRC) i've known for about a year now. I asked them how many knew what Harbinger was, and how to pronounce it. Three of them knew — one of them learned it as a Junior in High School, the other said he'd just known it for years. Another person just knew how to pronounce it, maybe they heard it on TV or something like that — I don't know, but he had to look it up for the definition. then about 3-4 others had no clue as to what it meant. Now can someone answer me where it comes in to humiliate a 15 year old, who is having enough trouble in their life as it is, to an entire emailing list of one of the few performing artists that he can relate to? Then about the education system — I'm not yet a junior, maybe I'll learn it then. (Oh, and the one on mIRC said he didn't know how to pronounce it either) I'm not sure where you all get your net knowledge from, but from what I've learned, when someone posts a wink ;) It generally means that he is only joking around. They don't need to be yelled at for kidding around, do they? The email was never meant to be replied to in the first place, muchless replied to the entire list. After reading Chris Povie(I think that's who it was)'s reply, that was all I could think about for days. I'm not all -that- stupid, but after that, I felt pretty damned stupid. Anyway, if you're going to reply to this, please do a private reply. My email is vansciver@vabch.com I don't want anymore shnizzit from the list like what happened a week or so ago. I'll be back in lurk for a while. Thanks for reading my message... —Agnostic Angel— - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:26:14 -0400 From: Bill Phillips Subject: (harbinger) Weird-os......... I must admit that it was fun reading all the so-called insults (i.e. anal, lesbian, etc...) but I'm gonna have to side with Kristen on this one....GROW UP! 8-) Bill http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/4212/paulacole.html - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:40:08 EDT From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) Just a little something.. They're not insulting you, they just think "He doesn't know what harbinger means, he's a newbie". Well, you know what, people -- the fact that he even knows about Harbinger makes himmore than just a "Oh I like that I Don't Want To Wait song" fan. So, get over it. Harbinger is not a weird they teach you in school, and not a word you hear a lot, and I bet the majority of high school students -- a.l.a. Robby -- won't know what it means. Go ask a few. You guys aren't better than us because you discovered Paula a little before us. She has new fans and you should befriend them instead of belittle them! - -- Mark - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:39:28 -0400 From: Connie and John Groer Subject: (harbinger) Sigh I used to love reading this list so much. % Connie Groer % % jgroer@mindspring.com % - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:08:38 -0700 From: Larry Sievers Subject: (harbinger) Paula at the Gorge Going to see Paula at the Gorge in September (in George, WA) ... anyone else going our way? Might be fun to see some listers there. Portland folks? I know she's playing at the Rose Quarter in Portland as well but my wife and I figger we just *might* get a taste of what might lie ahead with the new album, since this is one of her very last stops before her studio time begins. So? - ---------------------------------------------------------- Larry Sievers mailto:tech@chukchi.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- "Alaska Arts, Crafts, Multimedia, Video Production & More" http://www.chukchi.com http://www.touch-alaska.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:11:09 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: (harbinger) How does one moron-proof a list? I'm sorry to announce that Zimmy and the penis guy are no longer with us. Maybe they'll find happiness together. Football teams are trimming their rosters today, I guess harbinger can do the same. I really can't say anything about the "what does harbinger mean?" thread. I thought that one died a quick death, but it looks like it is back. Kill it, dead. People learn vocabulary by reading books--anyone feel like starting a book drive for IRC chatters? I have a slogan: "No d00ds, Yes books." Ah, well. It is really a symptom of how little is going on in Paula-land. Lilith hasn't inspired as much enthusiasm as last year, and Horde was kinda a strange bird so not that much traffic was inspired there. So when there's nothing to talk about, the nothings start talking. If the people with IQs start conversing again, the others will quiet down again and maybe improve a reading level or two. :) I would very much like to see the infighting ended. I don't know who started it, but I'm ending it. What the hell hol was doing piling on, I have no idea. But with fans like Snyder who needs enemies? Now, then, who's next on the chopping block? Smoe.org has many lists, and too much traffic for the 56K connection it is on, so cutting the Golgafrinchams of the list never hurts... Jason - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:44:43 EDT From: Icicles014@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) Lilith Review, Denver Ha!!! Thanks Michelle!!!! Well, if you're in the denver area, I'll let you know, other than that I won't be travelling anytime soon (School tends to get in the way). I might be able to make some tapes from the next concert, and I'll let you guys know, and then you can tell me if you want any. Jase - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:37:01 EDT From: DOSHIA98@aol.com Subject: (harbinger) Paula Cole and Matchbox 20 Okay, so the deal is they are doing concerts in which Matchbox 20 is the "headliner"? (right?) Now traditionally with opening acts you don't hear much about them until closer to the show. Yet with the first advertisments of this show Paula was listed, so does this mean that the show is basically co- headlined, but with Paula going on first? Because I'm not sure I want to pay that much money if Paula's only going to do a 45 min. set. And by her recent appearances I fear that I'll never see her in a local club again. Could this be the case? Because, as much as I hate to admitt it she's not exactlly popular enough to headline and draw arena size crowds, yet, she has outgrown smaller clubs. So what is the middle ground? Doshia - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:02:04 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: (harbinger) Paula Cole and Matchbox 20 > smaller clubs. So what is the middle ground? Theaters. Jason - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:04:27 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: (harbinger) Phil btw, I've also removed Phil's account. It's been bouncing mail for a while (mail quota full). That's why I took down the merchandise link, as well. Jason - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:09:25 EDT From: DWspinTHIS@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) How does one moron-proof a list? *sniff* oh no, not mr. penis!! i loved him, i was his little love muffin *yak* anyway, jesus christ, sorry about all of this, i just didn't like kenn's post about steve and spoke up. FORGIVE ME, i've caused mayhem (hey, i've been up for 23 hours, if it's not spelled right, fucking crucify me, ok? i'm not a human dictionary!) i knew a bit of trouble would've stirred up about all of this, but i didn't think it'd get that bad...hey, why don't we go back to that left handed, right handed debate? *ducking to avoid the flying objects headed in my direction* now, if no one minds, can we go back to jason being bitter, chris telling everyone off, kenn being a know-it-all, me and STEVE being the youngest, and journeybear's incredibly long (but always worthwhile) posts? for christ sake, bring the harbinger list back! hol p.s. rosie's a lesbian? wow, i must've missed something. good for everyone who wants to be...whatever :-) - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:23:15 EDT From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) How does one moron-proof a list? You guys are crazy! I love it! I know we're not supposed to exactly talk about ourselves but since nothing else intersting is going on, why don't we give out some personal information, like names, state we're in, and our favorite Paula song. Sorry if this sounds crazy, on other mailing lists this is truly acceptable. I don't know how this one works. - -- Mark, CA, "Tiger" - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 00:28:31 -0000 From: Paul Zastrow Subject: (harbinger) RE: Happy Home (...returning to Paula content, blithly pretending that none of the past day's posts ever occurred...) Warning: a little song-analyzing splitting of hairs is ahead -- if you're not into it, skip the rest of this post... I just got a boot called "Diffidence," featuring "rare and live tracks" from a variety of sources. One of the recordings is "Happy Home" from Live from Mountain Stage (Vol. 8), and listening to a live, basically acoustic recording helped me focus on the lyrics more than ever before. Happy Home has always been one of my favorite songs from "Harbinger" (Bethlehem is tops), and the main point is pretty obvious (especially on the live recording, where she introduces it by saying "I wrote this song for my mother -- I dedicate it to her every time I do it..."): Her mother would have been a very different person if she hadn't chosen the life of wife and husband, and she has regrets. The laundry list to illustrate this point is a long one: "...had to leave my home, had to raise a family, did the best we could being so young, tried so hard to build a happy home..." But what the heck does hitch-hiking to Maine and going cross-country have to do with regrets? It doesn't seem to fit the rest of the song's illustration of sacrifices borne out of raising a family. The obvious answer is that it's biographical, but when you consider it as an element of the song, doesn't it weaken it by introducing facets that seem more voluntary? I mean, she and her husband probably did a lot of other things when they were first in love, but they didn't make it into the song. How about "Ate yogurt plain, played with your dad's feet..." Funny, but I'm trying to make a point -- why did she choose the Maine and cross country trips? I know I'm being very particular, but it just got me thinking, and I'm curious what anyone else thinks. Is this just an example of early song-writing, or is there some greater reason for the Maine/cross-country thing that I'm just missing? I'd love to hear some Paula-related discussion... - - Paul paulza@javanet.com - ------------- Paul Zastrow paulza@javanet.com www.javanet.com/~paulza - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:12:38 -0700 From: eric_antos@juno.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) How does one moron-proof a list? Hi... Am I the youngest?? im 12 years old!!!!!!!!!!!! See ya. Eric On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:09:25 EDT DWspinTHIS@aol.com writes: >*sniff* oh no, not mr. penis!! i loved him, i was his little love >muffin >*yak* anyway, jesus christ, sorry about all of this, i just didn't >like >kenn's post about steve and spoke up. FORGIVE ME, i've caused mayhem >(hey, >i've been up for 23 hours, if it's not spelled right, fucking crucify >me, ok? >i'm not a human dictionary!) > >i knew a bit of trouble would've stirred up about all of this, but i >didn't >think it'd get that bad...hey, why don't we go back to that left >handed, right >handed debate? *ducking to avoid the flying objects headed in my >direction* > >now, if no one minds, can we go back to jason being bitter, chris >telling >everyone off, kenn being a know-it-all, me and STEVE being the >youngest, and >journeybear's incredibly long (but always worthwhile) posts? for >christ >sake, bring the harbinger list back! > >hol > >p.s. rosie's a lesbian? wow, i must've missed something. good for >everyone >who wants to be...whatever :-) > >------------------------------ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe harbinger > >Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: >http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html >For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:57:09 EDT From: LeShawnte@aol.com Subject: (harbinger) A barren place >>harbinger way back in the early days.. a small, fun, enjoyable place to exchange ideas, insights and excitement with other people with a strong interest in and discerning ear for good music along with a strong connection to Paula's songs. >> What has happened? The list used to be something i totally was enthralled with. Kenn and MomRox and Phil, etc.. comments that made me think, people who really relished in what Paula Cole stood for. Lots of those People have dissappeared, as well as the soul of the list. It's getting to be a barren place... Shawnte' "Life is a gift that is not a guaranteed affair; it's something that must be savored for the moment that passes so quickly, and then is gone forever. This is life. There is nothing I can do about it, and if I could I'm not sure I would." - -'Ruby' in Paradise - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ End of harbinger-digest V3 #247 *******************************