From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V3 #246 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Tuesday, August 25 1998 Volume 03 : Number 246 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn (fwd) [DOSHIA98@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) missing the irony [Kellykell9@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn ["Paula " ] (harbinger) Dear Harbinger... ["Dan ." ] Re: (harbinger) missing the irony (LONG) [MAXMOUZE@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger [SuccessHB@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger [MAXMOUZE@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger [MAXMOUZE@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn [SuccessHB@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger [SuccessHB@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger [MAXMOUZE@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn [".." ] Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn [Paula ] Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger [Rachel Cahn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 03:50:17 EDT From: DOSHIA98@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn (fwd) In a message dated 98-08-24 23:43:10 EDT, you write: << And as long as it looks like the asshole that's always giving orders around here isn't paying attention we're gonna have a fun list. >> Listen you pervert. I do want a fun list. But, nonetheless this is a Paula Cole list, and as a subscriber I really don't feel it necessary to read about you carrying on imaginary conversations with your penis. For me that doesn't constitute fun. If that is your objective, then why don't you try to find an alt.masturbation or something of the sort. 'Cause I don't need to hear it. And if you plan on insulting Cole then what the hell are you doing here anyway? - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:19:46 EDT From: Kellykell9@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) missing the irony In a message dated 8/24/98 10:17:23 PM EST, magicjohnson@badtalkshow.com writes: << MJ >> alright..........where's our list-man? this one has GOT to go. - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:12:51 -0400 From: "Paula " Subject: Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn I used to enjoy this list, before all the "children" (whatever their ages) appeared on the scene. Most of us who USED to post, post with more knowledge than guestemation about what was going on. I am, as Kenn had assumed, also "lurking" because of the rediculousless of the recent postings. I wish they would all go to some other list where bashing each other and acting childish is the norm. This list personality has changed so much. Perhaps those of us who were here for the intelligent era should create our own list and let the children play. Glad to hear from you Kenn... Oh, and I would do some educating of oneself before slamming Kenn, or me by saying we "MET" Paula, because obviously you don't know that our backgrounds are a lot closer to her than that. paula - ---------- From: DWspinTHIS@aol.com To: harbinger Subject: Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn Date: Mon, Aug 24, 1998, 7:31 PM In a message dated 8/24/98 12:34:14 PM Central Daylight Time, kcarpenter@thacherproffitt.com writes: << >> PS" BTW Chris - While I do miss Kenn's knowledgeable posts, I never >> cared for his need to be the ultimate authority on Paula and always >> have the last word. He seemed to actually resent anyone being better >> informed than he, even on a piece of trivia, rather than accept >> information from another source. If that's the package deal, i'll do >> without it. Welcome him back - sure; do without him - just fine. >> am i glad that i didn't jump right in and say "steve, i agree with you!!!" sheesh, torn apart on what, for awhile, was a not-so-anal list as it first was << Steve, it's unfortunate that you have discounted me so cheaply and I have to say that you are no less than a coward for airing these sentiments to the list only after you thought I was out of earshot. I have to wonder why you were hesitant to say to me personally what you seem so comfortable sharing with everyone *but* me. What's more, you've presumed to sum up who I am and what contributions I have made to this list when you yourself were an active member of this for only about a month and a half before I stopped posting. That's hardly enough time to make so harsh a judgment. >> steve, you go right on and post as you please...the only one that should tell you off should be chris :-) << Don't worry, though. I'm not going to bother casting aspersions at you. It's not necessary. You've done a bang-up job of make yourself look foolish. Those who have been on the list for any considerable amount of time (Povie, Jason Greshes, Paula Jr., et al.) - especially those folks with whom I have met and spoken in person (Judy K., JimmyMac, Phil Sullivan, and, I'd guess, even Paula herself, et al) - already know that your estimation of me is so far off the mark it's laughable. >> a) not casting asperations at you? ha! 2) foolish? hey, how many people DIDN'T agree with steve? C) oooooh, kenn has met PAULA! let's bow down and worship!!!! oh MY! that's quite and accomplishment!!!! kenn, got a problem with any of this? DWspinTHIS@aol.com, and i'm sure steve would agree... hey, not everyone's address is harbinger@smoe.org ***to the non-anal readers of this list, i apologize for the public outburst*** hol - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:45:39 PDT From: "Dan ." Subject: (harbinger) Dear Harbinger... Get well soon. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:46:43 EDT From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) missing the irony (LONG) If Paula is bisexual, perhaps she isn't exploiting it for a simple reason -- it's nobody's business but her own. - -- Mark - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:32:51 EDT From: SuccessHB@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger Hi all, especially our dear Mr. Povie -- I've been away on vacation, and came back to the harbinger pronunciation lunacy. It's all rather amazing to me, actually, that folks don't know the word *harbinger.* Obviously something's not quite up to snuff with our educational system. It's even more amazing to me that some folks wouldn't even take time to look it up. Geez -- you don't even have to dust off a book to look things up these days. Enough of me on my very short podium. Chris, again you speak for me as a voice of sanity (albeit not nearly as wishy-washily as I would). Re-lurking and preparing for the flame-fest, Kate - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:41:34 EDT From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger << I've been away on vacation, and came back to the harbinger pronunciation lunacy. It's all rather amazing to me, actually, that folks don't know the word *harbinger.* >> If that is your biggest concern in life, then you need psychiatric help. - -- Mark - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:42:28 EDT From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger << I've been away on vacation, and came back to the harbinger pronunciation lunacy. It's all rather amazing to me, actually, that folks don't know the word *harbinger.* >> OK, I'm going to reword that... If that is your biggest concern in life, consider yourself lucky. - -- Mark - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:22:21 EDT From: SuccessHB@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn Well, well, well, . . . I'm de-lurking again: I know I shouldn't respond to this worse-than-adolescent behavior, but what the hell, it doesn't seem like there's anything at all to lose. Unfuckingbelievable!! I've heard stories about this idiocy on other lists. However, since this is my only list subscription, I'm totally flabbergasted by actually seeing this puerile (go ahead, look it up . . . it's actually an incredibly easy Latin derivation -- not that many of you imbeciles would know that) behavior in action. Jason, please, come back soon! Restore order, because Paula, Chris, Kenn, Spanish (where are you??), Rachel, Jill, and the rest of us sane Paula lovers can't do it without you. Missing the posts of a time long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, and patiently waiting for Povie to make a timely crack about this response to Kenn's post: <> ??ASPERATIONS?? It'd be better if you had misquoted and wrote *ASPIRATIONS*. But, what the hell would I know?? Kate - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:47:16 EDT From: SuccessHB@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger In a message dated 98-08-25 15:44:21 EDT, you write: << If that is your biggest concern in life, then you need psychiatric help. >> and << If that is your biggest concern in life, consider yourself lucky. >> Phew, My longtime charade is up. You've found me out. The word harbinger, it's pronunciation, and it's defintion are DEFINITELY my biggest concerns in life. OK? As for the psychiatric help, I'm sure Mr. Povie, maybe even Kenn, will be there for me. And as for considering myself lucky, well, I already do. You dumbasses are going to regret my coming out of lurk mode. As I already said, I'm just back from vaction. That means I'm crabby and looking for anything to do but catch up on work. Sooo, I'm answering these nugatory posts. (Go ahead, look that one up too . . . but some of you smarter ones just might be able to get it out of context.) Finally, who has any Paula-relevant material? Isn't that what this thing is all about? Kate, -- your friendly anal-retentive music-lovin' book-readin' encyclopedia- totin' tofu-eatin' java-drinkin' lesbian - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:37:35 EDT From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger Why is everyone treating this list like it's one man for itself. Nobody can make grammar mistakes, spelling mistakes, or ask about Paula because someone will be there to bitch about it. We're supposed to be a mailing list -- a group which works together to help each other and support each other and becomes a second family for some people. Instead, everybody is too busy putting everyone else down. Any reason why this is so? - -- Mark - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:37:55 -0400 From: ".." Subject: Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn Hey KKKenn ‘scuse me for butting in here but since you’ve seen fit to take a personal matter to the list I figure it’s fair game. I gotta say you’ve just proved Borneo’s right on the money but you just don’t see it do you? You’ve got to have the last word and be oh-so-right about everything. I don’t think what he said was anywhere near as harsh and vicious as you claim, nor as your post to him. You talk about your vicious slander and harsh judgements - did you even take a look at what you wrote before you aired your shit-filled laundry in public? Did you take note of the positive portions of his message - - did you take into account the fact that this is from a PS not the main body of a post? In case your tunnel vision didn’t allow you to see the whole picture the following is the portion of Povie’s post to which I believe he was responding >Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:33:39 -0400 >From: "Chris Povie" >Subject: Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger > >What are you--all idiots? HAR-BINN-JER; noun; a portent or omen or indication of things to >come. I.e. "The fact that Kenn Carpenter unsubbed from Harbinger is a harbinger of the list's >progressively insipid, inane and grossly wet-behind-the-ears demographic." That’s a pretty damning piece of invective, but I don’t recall you riding to the rescue of the harbingerites you profess to care so much about - or are you so wrapped up in your self-worth that you just let everyone else roast on the spit of Povie’s acerbic wit. I’m glad *somebody* responded to that, even off-handedly. Talk about your cowardly approaches - I’m sure everyone you mentioned as being on your side are real glad you included them in your nasty over-the-top potshot without their approval - especially who would surely be aghast if she knew. This is exactly the kind of tactics the Nazis used to scare people who should have known better into acquiescence. You cite sources without their knowledge and consent as if they are true, to bully people into believing you have the approval of popular authorities and whoever doesn’t agree with you is wrong. And while we’re on the subject of cowardice, I’m not surprised you didn’t take me up on the offer of a beer at Lilith. Nor did you have the guts to post your review of Lisa Loeb. And why you keep cheering Povie on instead of posting your own more strongly-worded posts is beyond me. I wish he would do to you exactly what you exhort him to do to your fellow listers. Real nice. Goes well with < You've done a bang-up job of make yourself look foolish.> Look in the mirror lately? When you’re through admiring yourself, see how much what you said to Borneo can be said about yourself. < I'm not sure where your hostility comes from> I don’t know where *your* hostility comes from but you over-reacted, chum. Ya know, I’ll bet he could have said more on the subject if he wanted, but I don’t think you were the main reason he posted. Hey, ya know what? Bullshit stinks and it only takes half a second to figure that out. So what were you doing - waiting for a chance to jump all over his shit? Has it occurred to you that you are not in charge of who says what about whatever on this list or anywhere else? And now there are probably any number of listers who are afraid of posting because someone like you is lurking, waiting to zap anyone foolish enough to have an opinion and express it openly. You owe them an apology, let alone Journeybear. Maybe I should post that snappy little warning note you sent me a month back so everyone can see again what an egomaniac you are. But ya know what? I think the list deserves better than that. Next time you got a problem with someone, take it to him/her personally. Don’t stir up a shitstorm and clog up everyone’s in-box with your personal gripes. Bottom line - who gives a rat’s ass? Ta ta Zimmy > > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:31:53 -0400 > From: "Kenn" > Subject: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn > > Steve Bornstein wrote: > > >> PS" BTW Chris - While I do miss Kenn's knowledgeable posts, I never > >> cared for his need to be the ultimate authority on Paula and always > >> have the last word. He seemed to actually resent anyone being better > >> informed than he, even on a piece of trivia, rather than accept > >> information from another source. If that's the package deal, i'll do > >> without it. Welcome him back - sure; do without him - just fine. > > I never unsubbed, guy. Never said I was and never did. All I said was I > was staying subbed to the list but wasn't posting anymore until closer to > the time Paula's next album debuts. However, the thoughts you recently > deemed appropriate for list discussion seemed reason enough for an > encore post. > > Steve, it's unfortunate that you have discounted me so cheaply and I > have to say that you are no less than a coward for airing these > sentiments to the list only after you thought I was out of earshot. I have > to wonder why you were hesitant to say to me personally what you > seem so comfortable sharing with everyone *but* me. What's more, > you've presumed to sum up who I am and what contributions I have > made to this list when you yourself were an active member of this for > only about a month and a half before I stopped posting. That's hardly > enough time to make so harsh a judgment. > > Don't worry, though. I'm not going to bother casting aspersions at you. > It's not necessary. You've done a bang-up job of make yourself look > foolish. Those who have been on the list for any considerable amount of > time (Povie, Jason Greshes, Paula Jr., et al.) - especially those folks with > whom I have met and spoken in person (Judy K., JimmyMac, Phil Sullivan, > and, I'd guess, even Paula herself, et al) - already know that your > estimation of me is so far off the mark it's laughable. Those subscribers > who haven't had any interaction with me yet will hopefully find out that > you've viciously slandered me when they have an opportunity to read the > posts I will write when I start posting again on a regular basis. > > I'm not sure where your hostility comes from or why you chose me as > the object of your gripe (although I have a guess or two). All I can say is > your view of me and my approach to the mailing list is far from accurate. > And I would not be surprised to know that there a more than a few folks > on the list who would gladly (and likely less graciously) let you know the > same thing. > > As far as doing without me... enjoy it while you can, dude. I will be back > in the posting swing of things before you know it. > > Lastly (and far more importantly), thanks for your kinds words, Povie. > You are truly a good man. Your contributions to the list are many and > your camaraderie with those of us who have had the pleasure to know > you is much appreciated. Rip their hearts out and show 'em to 'em, > Chris!! ;^) > > Peace. > > Kenn - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:49:50 -0400 From: Paula Subject: Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn SuccessHB@aol.com wrote: > > Jason, please, come back soon! Restore order, because Paula, Chris, Kenn, > Spanish (where are you??), Rachel, Jill, and the rest of us sane Paula lovers > can't do it without you. > He's been notified..I'm really getting sick of this nonsense. - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:25:28 -0600 From: Rachel Cahn Subject: Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger > Finally, who has any Paula-relevant material? Isn't that what this thing is > all about? This whole devolution of the list is an interesting microcosm and a reflection of the nature of Paula's ascent to mass popularity. Think of harbinger way back in the early days.. a small, fun, enjoyable place to exchange ideas, insights and excitement with other people with a strong interest in and discerning ear for good music along with a strong connection to Paula's songs. I'm theorizing here, but I think we tended to be from off the beaten path, perfering to find our own way and thereby make our own discoveries in out of the way places. (translation: triple-A radio playlists do not constitute our CD collections) The media pre-digests the vast amount of available material and feed back to us only the selected songs deemed to be agreeable and non-offensive to the greatest number of people, by the artists who get the biggest media push and budgets by their labels. If you wait until Cowboys is on Billboard, chances are high that you don't go out of your way to find things for yourself - you just let the media dictate by default what you listen to and who you find in your ears. So back to my digression, :-) remember how it used to be seeing Paula - small, hushed crowds in small rooms, who were insanely supportive and appreciative of her every song? The reviews posted of Paula's recent shows have reported a significant departure from that to include a growing number of unruly, insensitive, disrespectful philistines. I have nothing against fame, only noticing the changes it makes to the face of a crowd. Nothing draws a crowd like a crowd, and the difference between the people who join a crowd versus the kind of person who just stops to listen because their feet/heart/intuition are their guide even if no one else is there.. is kind of the difference we are seeing in harbinger as of recent history. No offense, newbies, and there are always plenty of exceptions to the rule, but they just... well, they just don't get it, do they? A friend of mine has an expression for those who subscribe to the crowd mentality - - Idiots & Assholes. I'm inclined to agree with him. Rachel P.S. Hi Kate! - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:55:04 -0500 From: "Kristine Boeke" Subject: Re: (harbinger) missing the irony (LONG) >If Paula is bisexual, perhaps she isn't exploiting it for a simple reason -- >it's nobody's business but her own. > Nobody has suggested that she should exploit it, or even discuss it. THe same for Rosie O'Donnell. Why would they want to when some people would actually think "less" of them as a result? Like the immature guy on this list who actually thought he was calling me (and someone else) a BIG BAD NAME by calling me a lesbian. It's all the more ironic that he "deduced" this revelation based on the fact that I have zero interest in discussing his penis. As if all the heterosexuals (and gay men) WOULD be interested in continuing hispenis discussions . . . My exact point in the original post is that someone's sexuality should be irrelevant to the public, even conservatives (this is merely my own opinion, which I'm entitled to). I just found it "a missing irony" that a conservative (whom I respect) pointed out that other conservatives may not accept Rosie O'Donnell b/c of her sexuality, though they see her as a squeaky clean person. I just wondered if the conservatives on this very list would find it offensively off-putting if they believed Paula was bisexual. Again, my point: get over it. It's about music, and talented humans Kristine - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:55:37 -0500 From: "Kristine Boeke" Subject: Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn >Perhaps those of us who were here for the intelligent era should create our >own list and let the children play. Yes, I agree. Why don't we just take this list back over. Will all the intelligent people please stand up and start posting (myself included, I have merely been lurking for months now) again. And all the little people will hopefully get bored and go somewhere else. - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:55:17 -0500 From: "Kristine Boeke" Subject: Re: (harbinger) A Thought Or Two From Kenn Subject: (harbinger) screw you guys, i'm outta here- Eric Cartman. wow... i can't believe that Harbinger has suddenly become so... so... hmm what's the word i'm looking for? oh yeah, fucking retarded. grow UP kids. rick bowing out un-gracefully from a former favorite hangout. http://members.aol.com/rbsayre/cheese.html *i am chicken little and the sky is falling in* -Josh Joplin - -someone has taken their love of e-mail too far...- - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:41:30 EDT From: Kellykell9@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) a few questions about harbinger In a message dated 8/25/98 3:48:45 PM EST, SuccessHB@aol.com writes: << your friendly anal-retentive music-lovin' book-readin' encyclopedia- totin' tofu-eatin' java-drinkin' lesbian >> BRAVO!! that was CLASSIC............welcome back! - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:44:38 -0600 From: "michele" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Lilith Review, Denver Nice review...........thanks Now.....where can we hear you play? michele - ---------- > From: Icicles014@aol.com > To: harbinger@smoe.org; dayna@coollist.com; in-the-wings@linus.mitre.org > Subject: (harbinger) Lilith Review, Denver > Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 3:46 PM > > Here's from the Denver Lilith, the songs aren't in order though..... > > > First came Lisa Loeb....God She was good!!!! She played a lot of songs, the > most recognizable to me was Stay, Do You Sleep (she opened with this I think) > and I Do. Very well done. After she performed, i went to Tower records the > booth, and got her autograph and talked with her for a little bit. I told her > I loved her, and that i was going to open for her someday. She didn't take me > seriously. > > I missed the Cowboy Junkies, but oh well, everyone said they were bad anyways. > > Joan Osborne- Wow....that's it...just wow. She played a few songs, Beuatiful > Things was the last, it was done beautifully. One of us was in there, as well > as Ladder, and St. Teresa. Plus a few that I didn't recognize. She was > extremely better than Lisa, because Lisa didn't move around on stage. Joan > went everywhere. > > Paula Cole- Well duh. She was her usual best. She opened with Throwing Stones, > avery fast song, well done too. She played Me, Where Have All The Cowboys > Gone, I Don't Want To Wait, Jolene (A dolly parton song) some bob Marley song, > and She closed with Hitler's Brothers, and asked everyone to dance, which of > course they did. > > By this time the sun was setting, so it was perfect. > > Natalie Came on, and played Ophelia (Reprise) for her opener. It was just a > recording, but it was crazy. This was the 51st Lilith this year, and Natalie's > Last. Her crew was dressed out in carnival costumes. There was a bearded Lady, > a muscle man, a man on stilts, and a ring leader who announced that she was > coming on. She opened with a very slow version of Wonder, which picked up the > pace eventually. She played a lot of songs, Break Your Heart, Taking of > Thieves, Jealousy, Carnival, Ophelia, and somewhere in there, she created a > song asking for everyone to stop smoking, because she came from a low > altitude, and she needed all the breath she could get. Then she made us > picture her lungs breathing with clean oxygen, and oxygen filled blood. It was > crazy. She ended with Kind And Generous, and Everyone came out and sang it, > and she even let the audience sing the "I'm bound to thank you for it" part. > Then her crew came and lifted her up and she said something like she didn't > have liability insurance for it, and then she was gone. > > > Sarah MacLachlan was actually good this year. She was awful last year. She > opened with Last Dance, played Elsewhere (Paula Came out and sang too), > Possession, Sweet Surrender, Black and White, Angel, I think she played > Witness, Building a Mystery, and Ice Cream. As she was thanking everyone, she > started to sing Natalie's Kind And Generous, then stopped. Adia was the > encore. Then everyone came out and sang a song that I had never heard before. > It was good though. Then, since it was Natalie's Last night, they brought out > a cake, and she blew out the candles, and then it became a cake fight really > quickly. that was funny. > > > jase > > ------------------------------ > Harbinger Public Service Announcement: > Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* > unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually > transmitted infections. > For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe harbinger > > To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: > http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html > > Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: > http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html > For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com > - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. 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