From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V3 #224 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Thursday, July 30 1998 Volume 03 : Number 224 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) Clean this... [sstewart@NTCGEN01HE.ntc.nokia.com (Stewart Ste] Re: (harbinger) Clean this... [jason and jill ] Re: (harbinger) Clean this... [Honoku@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) Clean this... [DWspinTHIS@aol.com] (harbinger) extra tickets? ["Mlle. RaisinGirl" ] (harbinger) questions on tour dates ["Angela McGee" ] (harbinger) venues in the New england area (no Paula content) [ETrakand@a] Re: (harbinger) rainy day's # [90 blackwell ] Re: (harbinger) Clean this... ["Chris Povie" ] Re: (harbinger) Clean this... ["Chris Povie" ] Re: (harbinger) Clean this... ["Chris Povie" ] Re: (harbinger) Clean this... [Kara & Tina ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:25:50 +0300 From: sstewart@NTCGEN01HE.ntc.nokia.com (Stewart Steven NTC/INP-He) Subject: (harbinger) Clean this... Old subject...still a burr in my socks. If conservative viewpoints make your skin crawl, you will want to delete this post immediately. A lot of people complained about the clean version of This Fire and were screaming about loss of freedom of speach, their rights to hear swearing were being denied, etc. I wanted to post my thoughts on this. From what I understand, Paula had to give permission to let WB release a "clean" version of This Fire. (The only difference is the queen mother "f" word is no longer in "Throwing Stones", but "Bitch in heat" remains, as does "touch my ass" in "Tiger" and "Feelin Love" in all of it's naughty entirety. I don't consider that a horrible hack job of editing or censoring.) By editing HERSELF, she allowed her CD to be distributed to a much broader audience. I think it was a smart move. I don't think her "artistic vision" was squelched at all. I think it is great when we are given options of what they want to buy. Buy the unedited version if you want it. If the word bugs you, buy the clean version. Although I have to admit I got a vicarious thrill when I first heard Paula scream the edited line from "TS" and I own the unedited version of This Fire, I would now rather have the clean version. I don't thing the song loses any power or rage by taking it out. BUT... I think "fuck" is completely appropriate in the song Bethlehem because the word is in my opinion used not to shock, but to convey a specific point...the guys on the basketball team are using the girls...not making love to them...and the girls are allowing this to happen because they are still trying to find their place in life and think the comfort in the back of a car will give them that purpose. Not trying to start a "Right or Wrong" argument...just expressing an alternative viewpoint. Helsinki Steve "Profanity is the effort of a feeble mind trying to express itself forcibly." - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:57:23 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: (harbinger) Clean this... > > I think it is great when we are given options of what they want to buy. Buy > the unedited version if you want it. If the word bugs you, buy the clean > version. Oh please. The problem with WalMart is that they don't give people options of what they want to buy. In many small communities, Walmart moves in, uses predatory pricing to knock out all the existing small business (such as record stores), and makes itself the only place people can buy most items without driving for a couple of hours. So if you are in one of the Walmartized towns, you don't have a choice. Walmart (and Kmart) don't stock the sanitized version and the unediting version, allowing purchasers to choose which to buy. Rather, they stock only the edited one, and if you want the real one you either have to mail order it or drive to the next state. If Walmart was just another store there wouldn't be that much of a problem...there is a problem when for much of the US Walmart is *only* store. In addition, they don't exactly give huge notice that their stock has been edited, and casual buyers aren't always aware they are buying a doctored version. Great how Walmart takes away people's choices and then gets defenders saying "It's great to have options." Orwell would be proud. Jason - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:28:44 EDT From: Honoku@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) Clean this... In a message dated 7/29/98 9:27:33 AM, you wrote: > > >Helsinki Steve > >"Profanity is the effort of a feeble mind trying to express itself > >forcibly." i love this quote steve, i always feel i have lost any arguement where i lose control of perception and penetration into the situation, and resort to cursing. it is the language of the mentaly weak and wounded. i still go there at times, and always regret it. it is also a sign to me that the person i am dealing with has lost it when they resort to knee jerk cursing, at the expense of communication. also having two young daughters, there are times when i dont want to put on albums with profanity, and i also get a special thrill hearing women(especially paula, in bethlehem) say fuck in a song. choice is always a good idea. and in this case also a reminder of the sometimes silly fears and restrictions built into our society. evets - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:55:20 EDT From: DWspinTHIS@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) Clean this... being a huge sheryl crow fan i do not support walmart at all, and hardly ever go there, especially for music, however, i was in there one day and they had this fire on sale for whatever, like $9.99 and i got the unedited version. what i don't understand is why walmart (or Kmart) would chose to edit this fire in the first place. throwing stones and the word "fucker" doesn't make it "bad" if anything, feeling love should've been edited. i agree about bethlehem, though. anyway, there are albums out there with a lot worse language that walmart sells, isn't that why there's the little sticker that says "parental advisory, this recording contains explicit language" or something to that effect? plain and simple, don't like it, don't listen to it :-) hol - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:31:26 EDT From: "Mlle. RaisinGirl" Subject: (harbinger) extra tickets? hi everyone, well, up until now, i've been lurking... NOT ANYMORE! =) i have, like, this HUGE urge to see paula (who doesn't?!)... and so i'm wondering if any of you have an extra ticket to see her... 2 aug @ SPAC 4 aug @ hartford 6 aug @ portland, ME no, i can't go to all three. (i wish!) i'll consider any one of the three! i'm in boston and i've got a very reliable car, so i'm up for anything. and i'm just wondering, are these solo paula gigs, or are they lilith/mb 20?! i'm so out of the loop on this sort of stuff, and i need more info from you knowledgable paula folks! thanks so much. hi to all the boston ppl! michelle ***have a seat while i take to the sky*** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:41:02 -0500 From: "Angela McGee" Subject: (harbinger) questions on tour dates Hi everyone, I just got the paula cole email newsletter and it says that she will be in both Houston and San Antonio on Sept. 22! Then it says she will be in Houston on Sept. 23. I'm sure this is a mixup, so does anyone know what the correct dates are? I'm especially interested in the date for San Antonio, since I live in Austin, and it's only a short hour away... Thanks, Angela P.S. If anyone know who to call for tickets that would be great too - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:18:17 -0700 From: Larry Sievers Subject: Re: (harbinger) questions on tour dates Hiya, Paula will be in San Antonio on the 22nd, performing at the Sunken Garden Ampitheater and then at Woodlands, Texas on the 23rd -- where she'll be performing at the C.W. Mitchell Pavillion. Dunno about where to buy tickets. hth Larry Angela McGee wrote: > > Hi everyone, > I just got the paula cole email newsletter and it says that she will > be in both Houston and San Antonio on Sept. 22! Then it says she will > be in Houston on Sept. 23. I'm sure this is a mixup, so does anyone > know what the correct dates are? I'm especially interested in the > date for San Antonio, since I live in Austin, and it's only a short > hour away... - ---------------------------------------------------------- Larry Sievers mailto:tech@chukchi.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- "Alaska Arts, Crafts, Multimedia, Video Production & More" http://www.chukchi.com http://www.touch-alaska.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:33:38 EDT From: ETrakand@aol.com Subject: (harbinger) venues in the New england area (no Paula content) Hey I've been on this list for a while, but I've only posted a few times. Anyway, I'm going to boarding school in Greenfeild, Mass. this year, and since a lot of you guys seem to be located in the New England area, I was wondering if any of you could tell me where some good places to see live music are. Thanks! : ) Nicole - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:07:35 -0700 (PDT) From: 90 blackwell Subject: Re: (harbinger) rainy day's # Can someone e-mail me with this number also? Thanks, Aurora On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Kara & Tina wrote: > Hi everyone! Can someone please post/email me Rainy Day Records phone > #?! I gotta try to order another Paula cd for a birthday present and I > can't find it! Hope they still have some, or will be getting more in! > Thanks alot..Tina > > ------------------------------ > Harbinger Public Service Announcement: > Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* > unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually > transmitted infections. > For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe harbinger > > To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: > http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html > > Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: > http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html > For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com > > - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:45:08 PDT From: "Steve Bornstein" Subject: Re: (harbinger) extra tickets? "Mlle. RaisinGirl" writes >2 aug @ SPAC >4 aug @ hartford >6 aug @ portland, ME > >are these solo paula gigs, or are they >lilith/mb 20? Bonjour Mademoiselle I see you are not a cornflake girl but you are still swimming in your bowl a little, no? Anyway, these are H.O.R.D.E. Festival dates. The way they are listed in our local (New Haven/Hartford) papers is thusly: Blues Traveler Ben Harper & The Innocent Criminals Paula Cole Barenaked Ladies Alana Davis in smaller print (probably second stage, maybe not all dates on tour): Government Mule Catatonia The Getaway People Smoke The Prophet I assume that the main stage acts are listed in reverse order of appearance. Blues Traveler being the hosts, they will headline. At any rate, those MB20 dates are out west. Oh, sorry, no extra tix - just info. Peace JourneyBear ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:48:03 -0700 From: Larry Sievers Subject: Re: (harbinger) rainy day's # Hello, Rainy Day Records is located in Key West, Florida and you can reach them at 1-800-636-6166 Larry 90 blackwell wrote: > > Can someone e-mail me with this number also? > > Thanks, > Aurora - ---------------------------------------------------------- Larry Sievers mailto:tech@chukchi.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- "Alaska Arts, Crafts, Multimedia, Video Production & More" http://www.chukchi.com http://www.touch-alaska.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:54:32 -0400 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Clean this... >> >>"Profanity is the effort of a feeble mind trying to express itself >> >>forcibly." > >i love this quote steve, i always feel i have lost any arguement where i lose >control of perception and penetration into the situation, and resort to >cursing. it is the language of the mentaly weak and wounded... Yeah, well you guys are just a bunch of fucking assholes! (that was a joke, so no irate replies from idiots, pleez) Love, Chris - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:08:15 -0400 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Clean this... hol writes... >what i don't understand is why walmart (or Kmart) would chose to edit this >fire in the first place. throwing stones and the word "fucker" doesn't make >it "bad No, and because a person is gay doesn't make them "bad", either; but try explaining this to small-minded crusaders for the "Right and Moral Path" and see where that gits ya. Face it--the world is not full of open-minded, kind, THINKING individuals. It's full of white minivan-drivin', Rosie O'Donnell watchin', any-product-endorsed-by-Michael Jordan-wearing, affair-with-the-secretary havin' -(but kids-to-church-bringin') hypocritical closed-minded automatonic morons. As someone else on this list (Jason?) once lamented the LAST time this Wal-Mart thread came up; funny how it's not "right" for a store to sell a recording containing the words 'damn' or-- God-forbid-- 'shit', while it's fine to sell a veritable arsenal of weapons, ammo, and other devices of pain and death to any billybob with a pulse and a credit card. Vive la WalMart!!!!! Vive la Walmart!!!! If you think I'm cruel, mean, overcynical and generally a 'down' kind of negative person, just go spend about 15 minutes people-watching in the checkout line at a WalMart on a Saturday afternoon. Holy Christ, ugggghhhh.... Chris 'HappyBoy' Povie - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:11:04 -0400 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Clean this... - ->I think it is great when we are given options of what they want to buy. Buy >the unedited version if you want it. If the word bugs you, buy the clean >version. Yeah...too bad Van Gogh didn't give us a choice between Sunflowers or No Sunflowers....for I hate yellow. CP - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:37:56 -0500 From: Kara & Tina Subject: Re: (harbinger) Clean this... And it's not like Paula had much of a choice when she had to decide whether or not to allow an edited version to be made. Wal-Mart is one of, if not, thee biggest retail seller of all CDs in the country, so she could either miss out on getting her music out there to millions of people, or not allow the edited version to be made. Nice choice, huh? ....And lets go back in time and change our mind on this one, and when you get back to July 29, 1998, there just may be an empty space on the mantle where that Grammy once stood. Hypothetical, maybe, but not too far-fetched. Peace and Love, Kara ---<--<{@ - ------------------------------------------------------------- "We can never know what we want, because, living only one life, we can neither compare it with our previous lives nor perfect it in our lives to come." -Kundera - ------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. 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