From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V3 #213 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Sunday, July 19 1998 Volume 03 : Number 213 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) Re: Hi guy ["Steve Bornstein" ] (harbinger) Re: Eerie Songs; Garrison Starr ["Steve Bornstein" Subject: (harbinger) Re: Hi guy Zimmy Thanks (I think) for thinking I'm an expert on list politics. I've only been a member for four months, and I've never seen anything quite like the shit storm you stirred up. While it does look like Kenn assumed authority that isn't rightfully his - and please don't quote me, I'll disavow any knowledge - I do think he was motivated at least partly by concern for your well-being, in addition to the list's. He posted you an effort to wise you up before things went too far. I'm sure you've seen Jason's subsequent post by now. While he did take your words out of context, selecting some of the more negative parts of your post and ignoring some valid points, you've got to admit you said them. He is the moderator here, and he is entitled to butt in or out as he sees fit. Usually he lets things flow, as usually everybody gets along OK, and his intervention is not called for. Actually this is the first time I've seen him step in, so I assume you blew it. You have noone but yourself to blame for your predicament. You brought this on yourself. You've painted yourself into a corner, and the only way out I see is to apologize to the list for your rudeness. I get the impression your shoot fron the lip, stick to your guns approach won't let you do this, so you are probably stuck. You may wish to unsub from the list before Jason does it for you. I am not familiar with the people Kenn mentions - - that was before my time - but I get the distinct impression that if you step out of line one more time Jason will cut you off and pronto. You've been warned - live and learn. What really gets me is you have had some interesting opinions, but you keep veering from them into adopting adversarial positions, which are self-defeating. You said I need an editor - man, take a look at yourself! How about thinking your posts over before sending - once they're sent there's no taking them back. So my advice to you is mellow out, think over what you say, and pick battles worth fighting. If you apologize sincerely - and I mean no snide asides - and tone down your rhetoric, people may yet accept you. But you're on your own with this one. I want no part of it. I believe I'm the only one who welcomed you to the list. Don't make me regret it. Peace JourneyBear > >Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:41:55 -0400 >From: ".." >Reply-To: swage@erols.com >To: steve_bornstein@hotmail.com >Subject: [A Bit Of Unbidden (Albeit Well-Intended) Advice] > >Hi guy > >I know you don't owe me anything, but I'm kinda new at this stuff and I >know you backed me up on the Lisa Loeb thing, so I thought I'd run this >past you. Is he allowed to do this? Isn't he way out of line? Imean, >who left him in charge anyway. I know I shoot my mouth off a lot but I >also have some good things to say Nobody seems to pay attention to that >though. I don't know, I've been going through some heavy shit lately, >and in my own way I was reaching out for some validation or interaction >or something. Maybe I should just give up and go back to lurking, but >this doesn't look right to me. KKKenn really thinks he knows everything >about Paula and probably everyone else. Drives me nuts. > >Didn't mean to bug ya, you just seem to know what's going on without >making a big deal about it. I'm not going to make a big issue out of >this cuz it looks like a losing battle. > > >Subject: > A Bit Of Unbidden (Albeit Well-Intended) >Advice > Date: > Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:28:54 -0400 > From: > "Kenn" > To: > swage@erols.com > > >Hi, Zimmy.... >Just a quick note to you about your approach to posting at Harbinger. >You're a new subscriber over there. As such, you're not familiar with >the regulars and you're apparently unaware of (or perhaps simply don't >care about) the mood of the list. Basically, we don't flame each other. >Ever. I know it happens a lot on other lists and I know that some >people >really get a thrill out of getting into battles of what pass for wits >these >days. We don't do that on Harbinger. We're a smart group of people >who have found out that we don't have to ride another person's ideas >into the ground just to prove a point or to entertain ourselves. We >much >prefer to have an open discussion wherein we can inform one another >of what is going on with Paula (and other related artists) and to >express >our views in a respectful, often intellectual manner. >You're not making any friends on the list right now. I've received >several >posts from other subscribers which have made that abundantly clear. I, >too, am really not looking forward to seeing more of your incendiary >posts to the list. Chris Povie happens to be a long-time subscriber, >too. >You are new to the list, and as such, it would seem that you would >show more respect to those of us who have been keeping this list alive >long before you ever subscribed. >So, you don't like the mood of the list and our demeanor isn't edgy >enough >for you. Tough. Go start your own list then because we're not changing >and neither is Harbinger. Trust me, guy.... there have been a very few >like you who have tried to push their crappy attitude on the list before >(ask anyone about the ultimate dickheads, Rich Ahrens or Daniel Kian >McKiernan) and I can assure you they didn't last long and neither will >you. Right now, Jason, the list manager, doesn't have much time to be >policing the list. However, if you get reported to Jason by any number >of >people, you'll be summarily dismissed from the list and you won't get >back >on. Why do that to yourself? >You could actually have a good time on the list if you give a chance and >quick flaming people long enough to hear what they have to say. When >you jump on people's cases like you do, all that happens is that the >regular posters learn to loathe you and the lurkers are afraid to post >because their afraid you'll take them to task. It's unfair and out of >line. >Check out the list rules if you think I'm steering you wrong, man. >Please don't continue this behavior. If you do, I'll launch my own >campaign to get you unsubbed. Jason won't put up with it and neither >will the rest of it. So, shape up or ship out. >Thanks. >Kenn Carpenter > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:55:51 PDT From: "Steve Bornstein" Subject: (harbinger) Re: Eerie Songs; Garrison Starr Here's a couple of eerie items Sarah McLachlan - Fear Holly McNarland - Mystery Song I'm sre there are more but I'm half asleep and I don't want any bad dreams Someone asked about Garrison Starr. She played on the village stage at the Hartford Lilith, switching between acoustic and electric guitars, accompanied by stand-up bass and keyboard. I couldn't make out her lyrics too well - the sound was kind of quiet and people were chatting - but she had a fine voice and seemed passionate about what she was singing. She is from the south - Memphis. I talked with her briefly afterward. It was a little surprising to hear someone whose music veers close to punk (judging from the performance; haven't heard her records) to speak so shyly. She was genuinely embarassed at having not plugged her product. I apologized on behalf of all those at the preshow press conference for not having asked her any questions - I mean, noone did. She said she completely understood, but thanks for being so kind. Now that's class. That more than anything makes me want to check out her stuff. Peace JourneyBear ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:11:36 PDT From: "Steve Bornstein" Subject: (harbinger) PLEASE DISREGARD!!! OHMIGOD!!! PLEASE disregard the message Re: Hi Guy. That was supposed to be a private message - not to the list. Oh man this is so embarassing. This was not intended for anyone's eyes but one certain person, so please just delete without reading. Trust me - you don't want to know. You don't need to know everything. Let this be a lesson for insomniacs - do something besides e-mail if you can't sleep. Or be very careful what you do. I'm just glad I checked my in-box before I signed off. Peace (please) JourneyBear ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:09:54 -0700 From: Larry Sievers Subject: (harbinger) Paula at the Gorge in September Hey all, My wife and I have (finally) coordinated a three day getaway without the kids (!!!) to see Paula play at the Gorge in George, Washington. We're wondering if anybody else was planning to go there to catch the show? It would be fun to get together with other harbinger members and tailgate or something before the show, dontcha think? - ---------------------------------------------------------- Larry Sievers mailto:tech@chukchi.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- "Alaska Arts, Crafts, Multimedia, Video Production & More" http://www.chukchi.com http://www.touch-alaska.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:23:51 -0400 From: Jimmy Mac Subject: Re: (harbinger) Paula at the Gorge in September Hi Larry. What's the date of that show? Jim Larry Sievers wrote: > > Hey all, > > My wife and I have (finally) coordinated a three day getaway without the > kids (!!!) to see Paula play at the Gorge in George, Washington. We're > wondering if anybody else was planning to go there to catch the show? > > It would be fun to get together with other harbinger members and > tailgate or something before the show, dontcha think? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Larry Sievers mailto:tech@chukchi.com > ---------------------------------------------------------- > "Alaska Arts, Crafts, Multimedia, Video Production & More" > http://www.chukchi.com http://www.touch-alaska.com > > ------------------------------ > Harbinger Public Service Announcement: > Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* > unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually > transmitted infections. > For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe harbinger > > To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: > http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html > > Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: > http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html > For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:09:52 -0700 From: Katie_Stohlmann@monterey.edu (Katie Stohlmann) Subject: (harbinger) Any info appreciated Does anyone have any information on that matchbox 20/Paula concert on September 13 at the Concord Pavilion? Such as ticket sale info, etc. all that good stuff? PLEASE help me out, I actually have a friend who wants to see paula live as much as I do!! katie ~~my page http://student.monterey.edu/stohlmannkatheri/world~~ - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:39:12 EDT From: DWspinTHIS@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) PLEASE DISREGARD!!! no way, that post was definitely needed, i'd say. a little public humiliation sure goes a long way with some people. maybe this will teach him a lesson :-) hol - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:08:05 -0700 From: Larry Sievers Subject: Re: (harbinger) Paula at the Gorge in September Heya Jimmy, The show is set for September 19th. There's also a show the night before in Portland but I really don't like arena concerts much. Paula is being billed as the "Special Guest" for Matchbox 20. Hmmmm. Hope she gets more than 45 minutes on stage. Jimmy Mac wrote: > > What's the date of that show? > > Larry Sievers wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > My wife and I have (finally) coordinated a three day getaway without > > the kids (!!!) to see Paula play at the Gorge in George, Washington. > > We're wondering if anybody else was planning to go there to catch > > the show? > > > > It would be fun to get together with other harbinger members and > > tailgate or something before the show, dontcha think? - ---------------------------------------------------------- Larry Sievers mailto:tech@chukchi.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- "Alaska Arts, Crafts, Multimedia, Video Production & More" http://www.chukchi.com http://www.touch-alaska.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:37:21 -0400 From: Glenn McMullen Subject: Re: (harbinger) Re: OAC Nifty Eerie Music I'd also add the whole second half of Kate Bush - "The hounds of Love" CD as being very eerie. "Under Ice" in particular. Glenn - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. 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