From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V3 #207 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Monday, July 13 1998 Volume 03 : Number 207 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) That John Lennon record that may never see the light of day... [HunterXTC@aol.] Re: (harbinger) Lo-Lo-Lo-Loeb-A [Riphug@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) Lo-Lo-Lo-Loeb-A [Riphug@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) That John Lennon record that may never see the light of day... ["Steve Bornstein" > I always thought that the artists with the most fame tend to be the ones with the most radio play, which stems from the station manager's idea of marketability, which often stems from a song's *sing-along-ability*. Fer instance.....at a recent radio-sponsored concert here in Cincinnati, Semisonic was playing as well as a few other well-known and not-so-well-known groups. My friend and I were singing along with Semisonic..."I know who I want to take me home...." And we noticed how easy it was to sing that same line with other songs from Semisonic as well as from the other groups. So what are Paula's most radio-playable songs? WHATCG....catchy tune.....not one of her most musically sophisticated songs, though. "Me" is pretty easy to sing along with -- not a complicated tune, not complicated words. But the songs with more technical difficulty, more dissonance, more unique-ness -- the ones that you can truly appreciate if you have a sense of how difficult it is to write truly wonderful music -- don't get nearly as much airplay. It's as though the radio stations are almost intimidated by their greatness, but unfortunately, it's like TV -- what's chosen to be aired is what will please the greatest number of people (in the station managers' opinions). Therefore, we hear the same songs over and over and over again, while other artists aren't even given a chance to be heard. Ok....well, enough of my rambling. Jill :D - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:26:26 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) Lo-Lo-Lo-Loeb-A In response to our darling Chris's unprintable welcome to Zimmy...... Behave, Chris! Also.....I'm still waiting to hear from you about how to organize that DiscPlay thingamajig you sold me on. Write soon! Or better yet....look for me on AOL. Jill :D - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:04:04 PDT From: "Steve Bornstein" Subject: Re: (harbinger) That John Lennon record that may never see the light of day... Hey HunterXTC Thanks for the news flash. Sounds like it will be quite an album, when its finished. You didn't cite a source for your your info - is it authentic? It looks real . . . Paula doing Working Class Hero - who would have imagined? Not anyone's guess as to her first choice, but we all know Paula has eclectic tastes. She will do it justice, I'm sure. Peace JourneyBear ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:21:03 PDT From: "Steve Bornstein" Subject: (harbinger) Radio Diatribe #9 From: Riphug@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:26:22 EDT To: harbinger@smoe.org Subject: Re: (harbinger) Lo-Lo-Lo-Loeb-A In a message dated 98-07-10 22:04:53 EDT, steve_bornstein@hotmail.com writes: << I agree about the frequently occurring disparity between talent and fame. This is why the success of people like Sarah and Paula is so sweet - they are so good that it would be easy to assume that they would enjoy only limited, cult popularity. Their mainstream success is very encouraging, not only for their own careers and those who follow in their wake, but also as an apparent indication that the public's taste is improving. >> I always thought that the artists with the most fame tend to be the ones with the most radio play, which stems from the station manager's idea of marketability, which often stems from a song's *sing-along-ability*. Fer instance.....at a recent radio-sponsored concert here in Cincinnati, Semisonic was playing as well as a few other well-known and not-so-well-known groups. My friend and I were singing along with Semisonic..."I know who I want to take me home...." And we noticed how easy it was to sing that same line with other songs from Semisonic as well as from the other groups. So what are Paula's most radio-playable songs? WHATCG....catchy tune.....not one of her most musically sophisticated songs, though. "Me" is pretty easy to sing along with -- not a complicated tune, not complicated words. But the songs with more technical difficulty, more dissonance, more unique-ness - -- the ones that you can truly appreciate if you have a sense of how difficult it is to write truly wonderful music -- don't get nearly as much airplay. It's as though the radio stations are almost intimidated by their greatness, but unfortunately, it's like TV -- what's chosen to be aired is what will please the greatest number of people (in the station managers' opinions). Therefore, we hear the same songs over and over and over again, while other artists aren't even given a chance to be heard. Ok....well, enough of my rambling. Jill :D Hi Jill I don't think you were rambling - not too much, anyway. I think you are right on the money when you say that radio, like TV, tends to go for the crowd-pleasers. As profit-oriented businesses they must pay attention to what sells. They lose people like me when they select their playlists according to demographics and market research instead of musical taste. This leads to a lowest common denominator mindset, and the result is riskfree redundant radio. If you hear a song for the first time and you think you've heard it before, you probably have. Sure, you get the occasional flashes of brilliance, but that's not the norm. I saw somewhere that "Adia" is #7, but I have yet to hear it on the radio. Doesn't matter - I know how it goes. Of course, I tend to listen to listener-suppported stations, which are free from the narrow-mindedness of commercial stations. I strongly suggest that everyone who cares about the kind of music we discuss here pledge to their local stations. It really makes a difference, even if it's only $50, because these stations usually operate on a shoestring budget. These are the stations that break new artists and continue to support them even when they don't sell a lot, because programming is left to the DJ. Here in CT we have WPKN in Bridgeport, WWUH in Hartford, WHUS in Storrs (UConn), Wshu in Fairfield, and across the border in NY, WFUV. I can travel throughout the state and listen to imaginative programming non-stop, which is a luxury many states can't provide. After many years of enjoying this without pitching in I finally started contributing a couple of years ago, and an unexpected result is a sense of pride, feeling that in this way I am helping out the artists whose music I like. Ready for a brief history lesson/fairy tale? Once upon a time, in a mythical land far, far away - we'll call it "The Sisties" - there was a lot of redundant crap on the air. Oh, it had its charm, to be sure, and nostalgia buffs still go ga-ga when they hear those oldies-but-goodies, regardless of how they all used the same chords. Then came The Beatles, who made a big noise with their inventive use of different chords and arrangements and, most unheard of, wrote their own songs. Before them, writing and singing were mostly separate functions. Suddenly that wasn't good enough anymore. Record companies and radio stations scrambled to cash in on this trend, because that's what the kids were buying, and the British Invasion was born. Over here, Motown, probably the most successful indie label ever, began turning out some of the most irresistible and durable dance music. A couple of years later, a similar big noise came out of the Bay Area, when Monterey Pop Festival showcased some pretty amazing talent, and the psychedelic era was born. The industry started fslling over its feet to catch up, but this time it was a little less predictable. FM had come along, making higher quality broadcasting possible for less money. Stations sprang up all over that would play whatever they wanted, rather than Top 40 singles. They would play album cuts, album sides, theme sets - it was up to the DJ, who became as much a creative force as the musicians. The music establishment freaked out, as they saw these smaller stations luring listeners away. The record companies started signing any band with a funny name - anyone remember The Peanut Butter Conspiracy, The 13th Floor Elevators, or Dr. West's Medicine Show & Junk Band- some of which were actually pretty good and/or had a hit. But it was really the sound of the people that was getting onto the airwaves, and this made for some really exciting radio. Motown started changing to accommodate this trend, producing some eerie psychedelic soul. Other indie labels sprang up, breaking new ground and leaving the majors behind, creatively and financially. The majors came back with bubblegum pop, of all things, which was sneered at by hip people but sold pretty well and got lots of airplay. Commercial stations ended up playing really strange mixes, since they didn't know what was working anymore. You would hear sets like "Somebody to Love" followed by "Yummy Yummy Yummy" followed by "People Get ReadY" followed by "Hey Jude" - well, you get the picture. Good or bad, it sure wasn't boring. Then for reasons which are still not clear to me, this creative movement faded. Perhaps there was some culture shock when in the span of one year Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and Jim Morrison died, and the Beatles broke up. Radio began getting formatted, demographics appeared, and disco ruled supreme. I got so bored with radio I stopped listening altogether. I had been writing songs for a few years, but when i realized I was writing better songs than I was hearing on the radio, I figured I didn't need radio anymore. That led to a career as a musician which didn't quite go like I'd hoped, which is a whole other story. But for a few glorious years the inmates ran the asylum -the golden era of rock. This lives on, not so much on classic rock stations, but in the spirit that motivates college and listener-supported stations. The music is different, but the experimentation, the open-mindedness, the willingness to try and embrace new artists - these are the foundation of this type of programming. Please support it; the rewards are elusive but real. I will always give props to WFUV for being the first station on which I heard Paula - and it was not "Cowboys," the current single, but IDWTW as an album cut. They played it a lot, before it became a single. That's exactly what I mean - bold, risk-taking programming. They played it just because they liked it. We need more of that on the radio. I like to think people have better taste than what "the suits" thinks they do. We have to let them know somehow. Well, that's my thruppence' worth on the subject, complete with obligatory Paula content. Have a nice day! : ) Peace JourneyBear PS: I'll get to Lilith later tonight ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:19:22 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: (harbinger) Indigo Girls Tour Recently posted on ecto: <<>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:51:28 -0400 (EDT) >From: Epic_Records@epiccenter.music.sony.com >To: indigogirls@listserv.music.sony.com >Subject: Indigo Girls > >Are you ready to rock? Well you better be because the >Indigo Girls have announced their "Suffragette Sessions >Tour"! Their hitting the road in this August and not >resting until September. This tour is bound to be one of >the best! The tour includes: > > Amy Ray of Indigo Girls > Emily Sailor of Indigo Girls > Gail Ann Dorsey > Lisa Germano > Lourdes Perez > Kate Schellenbach of Louscious Jackson > Jane Siberry > Jean Smith of Mecca Normal > Josephine Wiggs of the Breeders > Thalla Zedek of Come > >Wednesday 8/19 Portland, ME State Theater >Thursday 8/20 Burlington, VT Memorial Auditorium >Saturday 8/21 Cleveland, OH Agora >Monday 8/24 Detroit, MI State Theater >Tuesday 8/25 Chicago, IL Riviera >Wednesday 8/26 Chicago, IL Riviera >Thursday 8/27 Milwaukee, WI Rave >Friday 8/28 Minneapolis, MN First Ave. >Sunday 8/30 Cincinnati, OH Bogart's >Tuesday 9/01 Norfolk, VA Boathouse >Wednesday 9/02 Philadelphia Electric Factory > >****************** >> - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:23:58 EDT From: HunterXTC@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) That John Lennon record that may never see the light of day The JourneyBear writes... Thanks for the news flash. Sounds like it will be quite an album, when its finished. You didn't cite a source for your your info - is it authentic? It looks real . . . Paula doing Working Class Hero - who would have imagined? Not anyone's guess as to her first choice, but we all know Paula has eclectic tastes. She will do it justice, I'm sure. Sorry about the lack of source citing... it was actually from the Rolling Stone website, and I found on the delicious Ani DiFranco newsgroup (yummy Ani.. who rocked the I C light Ampitheatre a couple of Saturdays ago!!!) Spanish - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:54:41 -0700 From: Katie_Stohlmann@monterey.edu (Katie Stohlmann) Subject: Re: (harbinger) katie's website >Katie.......this page is awesome, if any of you haven't checked it out, >I >recommend doing so. No real Paula content, but a good laugh, >none-the-less. >(and she didn't even pay me to say any of this) >-Kelly Gee I feel special. Actually now it does have semi-paula content. a new page entitled "Paula Cole Can Sing Better Than You" if anyone wants to check it out and tell me what they think...(it's not that insane if you were worried...) katie (hands kelly her money...heh) ~~my page http://student.monterey.edu/stohlmannkatheri/world Don't Say I Didn't Warn You...~~ - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. 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