From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V3 #203 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Thursday, July 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 203 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) dar williams at summerstage in NYC [Rebecca Lay ] (harbinger) Re: Lisa Loeb -Reply ["Kenn" ] (harbinger) Re: Lisa Loeb ["Steve Bornstein" Subject: (harbinger) dar williams at summerstage in NYC sorry if any of you are on the dar-list, but i thought i'd post this message here after reading kenn's past about lisa loeb being there as well: Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 16:49:48 -0400 From: Young/Hunter Information Subject: FREE Dar Williams Concert in NYC - Tell your friends! Hey all, I've spent the better part of this afternoon putting this message everywhere and anywhere I thought there might be someone interested in it but, if you know of somewhere else, please put it there! We're trying to spread the word that on August 8th, Dar will be performing in Central Park as part of their annual "SummerStage" concert series. The show is COMPLETELY FREE and we want to get as many people out as humanly possible. So, even if you are on the other end of the world, help us spread the word about this show- if you know anyone in NYC, tell 'em to go! Founded in 1986, Central Park SummerStage (http://www.summerstage.com) is a free performing arts festival dedicated to presenting a broad range of American and world music, dance, spoken word performances and opera. Also featured on August 8th will be the wonderful Toshi Reagon so, come out to the show, bring a friend, or, if you can't come, tell your friends about it! We REALLY want this show to be a success and, if you think you can help spread the word, we'd be mighty grateful. go support dar if you're anywhere near NYC! *rebecca* ********************* "Everybody know I write poems. People respect me. I get outside. It's raining. Good." - --Sapphire, _Push_ ************************************ - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 17:55:17 -0400 From: ".." Subject: (harbinger) Re: Lisa Loeb Kenn wrote > Lisa Loeb will be performing at Summerstage at Rumsey Field in Central > Park this Saturday, July 11th. I'm > actually going to make the huge trek up to Central Park just to see her > perform live. Who'd have ever thought it possible? ;^) > > Wondering if Lisa's devilishly handsome hirsute companion, Dweezil, > might be in attendance as well..... Well, let's hope so. At least then there'd be someone with some talent on the stage. Lisa takes the concept of speaking plainly to an all-time low, completely ignoring the general tendency of most artistically inclined people to at least attempt some refinement of basic communication. Hey, don't let me bum you out if you're a big fan, but I've seen her three times now - that's the problem with multiple act shows - and while I went to these shows with an open mind I've done closed the door. Why Sarah would want her for an opening act is beyond me. She would outshine just about anyone, let alone this poor excuse. But that's just my opinion. Go ahead, have fun. I'll be at Lilith Fair, listening to some good music. Ta Ta Zimmy - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:35:14 -0400 From: "Kenn" Subject: (harbinger) Re: Lisa Loeb -Reply Zimmy wrote: > Well, let's hope so. At least then there'd be someone with some talent > on the stage. Lisa takes the concept of speaking plainly to an all-time > low, completely ignoring the general tendency of most artistically > inclined people to at least attempt some refinement of basic > communication. Hey, don't let me bum you out if you're a big fan, but > I've seen her three times now - that's the problem with multiple act > shows - and while I went to these shows with an open mind I've done > closed the door. Why Sarah would want her for an opening act is > beyond me. She would outshine just about anyone, let alone this poor > excuse. But that's just my opinion. Go ahead, have fun. I'll be at Lilith > Fair, listening to some good music. I've never seen you post in these parts before, Zimmy, so I don't really know if you are simply poking what is meant to be a lighthearted jab at Ms. Loeb or not. However, if taken at face value, your estimation (to which you are certainly entitled) seems petty to me. I've never seen Lisa perform up close and personal and, admittedly, I loathed her during the time of her first album, but I did watch the KISS FM Pay-Per-View deal she performed at last month and I didn't find her to be the musical pariah you've painted her as being. In fact, based on your argument for why Lisa sucks (the straight-forward almost stream-of- consciousness lyrics), you would also discount Dar Williams as a low-talent hack. I suppose it probably all comes down to a matter of taste and a general level of respect for others who might not agree with your tastes and/or opinions. I detest Tori Amos, but I usually don't try to warn anyone (longtime Tori fans or those who are new to the Cornflake Girl) that they're wasting their time. I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from. Overall, I feel that Lisa has certainly improved since her first album. I like a few of her new songs a lot, in fact. There was a time about a year or two ago when I recall telling Phil Sullivan (who toured with Lisa at one point) that I couldn't stand watching her perform because of the little girl lost persona she was hawking back then. He suggested that I give her a shot. I tried and failed a couple of times. But now I kinda like the woman. Would I pay to go see her? Well... probably not. I just don't like her enough to shell out dough for her just yet. But a free concert? Hell, yes.. I'll go see her *and* be glad for the chance to get outside and hang out with other New Yorkers and hear other good music that day. It'll be cool no matter what happens (and if Dweezil shows up, I'd be happy even if Lisa never sang a note). But, should Lisa be ashamed to share the stage with Sarah McLachlan? No. Sarah is admittedly a very talented musician, but she isn't all that far away from the day that she recorded her undeniably abominable cover of Peter Gabriel's "Solsbury Hill." No one can be perfection all the time to everybody. Thanks for the warning, though, bud. Have a good time at Lilith. Peace. Kenn - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 18:46:12 PDT From: "Steve Bornstein" Subject: (harbinger) Re: Lisa Loeb Hey Kenn, hi Zimmy - Now now boys (Zimmy?) let's play nice. Actually, Kenn, I tend to agree with Zimmy on most of his appraisal, assuming this was his honest if somewhat harsh opinion. I saw LL her first time around, 2 years ago, and also when she opened for Sarah on the spring tour. I didn't "get" her the first time nor did I notice much evolution since then. Granted, I haven't listened to her albums, but hearing her live did not inspire me to look any further. I hope nobody suggests that as a member of the press it behooves me to check out everyone who reaches a certain level of fame. This is a non-paying endeavor, I do it out of a love of music, and will pick and choose as I see fit. There are plenty of artists more deserving and less well-known who can and should benefit from what little impetus I can provide to their careers. And Ms. Loeb just doesn't make it for me. That's just my opinion - everyone's entitled to that, good ol' 1st Amendment. But Kenn, I think you're off-base in comparing her to Dar Williams. I've talked with Dar a bit, and I know that she toils diligently over her songs, choosing her words very carefully. Lisa seems to me to dash off her songs very quickly, with very little rewriting. I could be wrong - as I said, I've done very little research on her - but what I've heard of her lyrics scan at a tenth-grade level - overwrought and underwritten. In this regard she seems akin to Tori - both seem to leave songs close to their original form, the one very plain, the other rather ornate and opaque. After seeing several people post favorably re: Tori's latest and reading some good reviews in RS and elsewhere, I went and got it, only to find it's more of the same incomprehensible meandering. I'm sorry if I offend anyone - I know she has fans on this list - but I don't "get" her and probably never will. And I've tried. On the subject of opinions, I shall now go on record denying that Sarah's version of "Solsbury Hill" is <>. This is one tricky song, in 5/4 time, and I think she does a fine job with it. I am speaking of the version on the black live EP released in Canada by Nettwerk between "Touch" and "Solace" (I think). If there's another version, well, I'd like to hear it. Of course it could hardly be as good as Peter Gabriel's original, but that doesn't mean it's a bomb in a bull. That's one strongly stated, inflexible, and harsh assessment. And I think she's evolved immensely since her first album, which was pretty darn good to begin with. Anyway, back to the off-topic topic - go ahead, enjoy, you may very well like her after all. Remember, this is just how I feel and should really have no bearing whatsoever on your perception. Oh, and Zimmy - welcome to the list. This is who we are - hope you like it. Peace, JourneyBear ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ Harbinger Public Service Announcement: Emergency contraceptives are methods of preventing pregnancy *after* unprotected sexual intercourse. They do not protect against sexually transmitted infections. For more info, browse to: http://opr.princeton.edu/ec/ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ End of harbinger-digest V3 #203 *******************************