From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V3 #168 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Wednesday, June 3 1998 Volume 03 : Number 168 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) Antigone Rising and General Concert Rants ["Kenn" ] (harbinger) Philadelphia Show [Nowhere2Go@webtv.net] (harbinger) Philadelphia Show -Reply ["Kenn" ] Re: (harbinger) Philadelphia Show -Reply [Kara Kaminski Subject: (harbinger) Antigone Rising and General Concert Rants Steve Bornstein wrote: > Antigone Rising, five females with guitars, bass, and lots of strong > vocal harmonies, were quite good. They may have been trying a little > too hard to impress, as I thought they could have eased up on their > vocal attack a bit, but they really showed some promise. I agree that Antigone Rising was very good. As far as trying too hard to impress... I really don't think they could have tried too hard. C'mon, Steve... that was the largest audience those women have ever played before and they were opening for Sarah McLachlan for pity's sake. I'm guessing that if they seemed extra energetic or really "on" it has to do with having thousands of people in their audience as opposed to the usual scores they usual play for. Looked to me like they were just having a hell of a good time. > The biggest bummer was the dozen or so people front and center who > would NOT sit down during the opening acts, causing many other > people to repeatedly yell at them to sit down, which they largely > ignored. Before I go off on this tirade, Steve, please know that I'm only expressing my own opinion. As such, I hope you'll understand that I am in no way trying to say that you are wrong for feeling the way you feel. I just don't want any bruised feelings here. :^) As far as last night's show goes, who could blame anyone for standing? There were chairs for a lot of people to sit on, but most of us were standing on the soggy, muddy lawn of Bryant Park. I wouldn't have sat down either. In general, however, I've always wondered why anyone sits down at a general admission show (except, of course, during low-key ballad-type songs). It's a concert, after all. On the upbeat tunes, my take on it is to get up and dance and let the musicians know I'm enjoying and appreciating what they're doing up there. It seems to me that if you want to sit down for the whole show, It would make more sense to just buy a live CD and sit and listen to it in the comfort of your own home. Concerts are for jumping up and down and boppin' around and enjoying being alive. Just be glad that crowd-surfing isn't popular at most of these shows that are put on by those artists who fall into the Lilith alumni category. ;^) Say you'd care to hear more of my opinions on concert-going behavior? Sure! ;^) If you're vertically-challenged...OK, screw the political correctness. If you're short, show up to the show early and try to get a spot up front or at least where you know you can see and then protect that space with your life (i.e. don't keep leaving your space to go to the bar or the bathroom). It only makes sense that you can't come to a general admission show an hour into it and expect to be able to push your way through people who have been there a lot longer than you have been, having already staked out their little patch of the floor. Show up early and run like hell to get right up in the front of the stage and then stay there. Some of us will take you to task (and not very pleasantly) if you try to push by us or (heavens forbid) if you try to plop down right in front of us after we've been standing in that spot for an hour or two. On a related topic.... I'm very tall. Six feet, six inches tall, in fact. I can't help being tall any more than other people can help not being tall. Should my being a veritable giant preclude me from having as good a vantage point as anyone else at a concert? Should I be disallowed from standing right in the front row before the stage? Hell, no! That would be discrimination!!! I'm standing anywhere I want to stand. If you're not tall enough to see over me and I was there before you, please either deal with it or move to another place but don't ask me to do the moving. Talking at concerts? Many of us have complained about those Paula Cole concerts we've attended (remember the last Toad's Place show?) where the attendees, for whatever reason, spend an inordinate amount of time talking instead of being polite and listening to Paula sing. My feelings on the subject are that if you want to talk to your friends, you should go to a coffeeshop or chat on the princess phone in your bedroom, but don't presume to impede upon my concert experience by running your mouth through any portion of the show. No, it doesn't matter whether the song is a quiet one or a loud one. You're talking and I didn't pay to come hear you talk. > I don't know which group was more annoying, but being in the middle > of that brouhaha really sucked. But I hung in there all the same. I'd say the ones who are usually the most annoying are the talkers. The standers can be overcome simply my joining them. The talkers can only be overcome with requests for polite silence or well-aimed blunt-edged projectiles. Glad you stuck it out, Steve. That was too good of a show to miss. :^) Peace. Kenn - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:12:49 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: (harbinger) Tori Amos in Cincy! <> Unfortunately.....Tori's appearance is scheduled for the same night that Paula Cole will be making up her snowed-out appearance at Bogart's...... Jill :D - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:28:12 +0000 From: bobs@virtualone.com (Bob Smith) Subject: (harbinger) Paula In Jane Hello All, Just thought I'd let everyone know that There is one Great picture in The May issue of Jane. Haven't read the article yet but I'm assuming its about The Lillith Tour. Cheers Bob - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:35:21 EDT From: MARC3RD@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) Tori Amos in Cincy! Which will you be choosing Jill? Marc3 Marc of the Hammer Allen Park, Mi "No one is a failure who has friends" Clearance the angel from It's a Wonderful Life - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:09:18 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) Tori Amos in Cincy! In a message dated 6/2/98 3:37:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MARC3RD@aol.com writes: << Which will you be choosing Jill? >> Well, since I already have tickets for Paula Cole......and since I think Paula is more talented than Tori......and I'll probably get another chance to see Tori someday......I'll be going to see Paula Cole. ;-) Loyal and true blue, Jill :D - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:50:48 -0400 From: "Kenn" Subject: (harbinger) Santa Packin' Heat This is just some information I thought some of you would be interested in knowing about a compilation CD on which Paula is alleged to appear, but, indeed, does not. Several websites (including Ladyslipper) advertise a holiday CD entitled _Winter, Fire & Snow_. On those websites, Paula is shown as being one the contributing artists to the CD with a song called "St. Nicholas Is Carrying A Gun." As it turns out, the song never appeared on the album at any time prior to or upon its commercial release. According to the guy in charge of production at Atlantic Records, the song was pulled from the CD a couple of months before the release date back in 1995. At first, I thought maybe it had made it to the promo CD, but not the commercial release. Nope. Someone from another mailing list has the promo and Paula isn't on it. The song never made it to the public... period. I wanted to let you all know so that you could avoid the hassle of ordering the CD in hopes that you'd be getting a new Paula song, only to find out that you were out of luck and suffer the subsequent disappointment. After the goose chase I've been on with this sucker, I'm practically wearing a black armband. Peace. Kenn - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:31:40 -0400 From: Nowhere2Go@webtv.net Subject: (harbinger) Philadelphia Show Well I didn't see any reviews on lastnight's Paula show so I shall give it a whirl!!!! Bare with me-Just some highlights,She opened with a song I didnt know (sorry been out of the loop) she played clarinet on it and it had a slow native american kind of beat,She wore white feathers around her neck and a long grey coat she took it off to reveil a lime green sleeveless dress over black pants and her great pair of black boots.She only played an hour.She did Happy Home and dedicated it to her mom and fans from the Harbinger days-which I felt like I was the only one there in my area anyway! She tried to make the annoying gabby crowd be quite during Feeling Love.She did the hits Cowboy,I Dont Want To Wait,ME (she said this is her favorite on This Fire) she did Throwing Stones MIssissippi,ended with a great jamming Hitler's Brothers.I think that was it.I noticed Jay had a little Jay look a like doll on his kit-pretty cool! It seemed like they kinda just blew though the set.BUT it was Paula and I enjoyed it.Meredith Brooks opened-not much to report there,Meredith did say Paula was/is a great influence on her.Oh another cool thing was the staged was lined with lit candles.OK that's it!!! - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:00:07 -0400 From: "Kenn" Subject: (harbinger) Philadelphia Show -Reply Nowhere2Go wrote: > Meredith did say Paula was/is a great influence on her That's a shock. When Ms. Brooks was on the VH-1 Behind The Music special on Lilith Fair, she cited Sarah McLachlan as not only her biggest influence, but the very reason she even continued to perform when she was ready to throw in the towel. Odder still that she never mentioned Paula during her MTV Live appearance when they were sitting on the same sofa.... Hmmm. Methinks Meredith is doling out platitudes like M&Ms. Wonder if Sarah and Paula are starting to feel the tug on their coattails.... Thanks for the review! Sounds like the crowd was making for a less than awesome night, but at least you got to see PC in 3D. Peace. Kenn - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:05:07 -0400 From: Nowhere2Go@webtv.net Subject: (harbinger) Philly one more tidbit Forgot to add this to my review-after the show I just had to take one of the xerox copies hanging on the front doors that said, Paula Cole Requires No Smoking Thank You I love that rule Paula!!!! - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:45:24 -0700 From: "Holly Bolt" Subject: (harbinger) ME Nowhere2Go wrote in his concert review: She did the hits Cowboy,I Dont Want To Wait,ME (she said this is her favorite on This Fire) she did Throwing Stones MIssissippi,ended with a great jamming Hitler's Brothers. - ------------------------------------------------ Howdy all!! I read this sentence of Nowhere's review with absolute amazement. Only about an hour ago, I was listening to "ME" on This Fire and wondering how this song ranked on Paula's list of favorites!! I've heard the radio cut of this song so many times lately that while listening to the CD version I was kind of overcome (yet again) by the building emotion that goes into the bridge of this particular song. As you all know, the the buildup to the bridge is missing from the radio cut and since this is all I've heard for a couple of months, the original version of the song and its power kind of took me by surprise (after not hearing it for a while). Anyway, while listening, I was so caught up in the emotion and joy conveyed in the bridge of the song that I just kept reversing the CD back to the beginning of the bridge and listening again. I did this about four times while I thought how much the song "Me" has meant to me and how it conveys the same emotions I felt a couple of years ago (b4 the CD was released) when I came to the sudden realization that *I* was the one holding me back from my dreams. To me, this song vocalizes my personal epiphany that my life is totally in my control and that I must take responsibility for the parts of my life that I am not happy with. It seems like a simple concept once you get it, but I cannot tell you how many years I've felt helpless to control the aspects of my life that were bringing me down and holding me back. With a little hard work, you will become what you believe. Anyway, as I said, I was amazed, and actually quite pleased, to read that this great gift of a song is also Paula's personal favorite on This Fire. Hope everyone is having a great day!! Holly Bolt ;) - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:06:31 +0000 From: Kara Kaminski Subject: Re: (harbinger) Philadelphia Show -Reply Well, my better half, having been at the show as well was VERY disappointed by the concert. She got Paula's set list after the show, and she cut out 8 songs (including "Free" and "La Vie En Rose")!!! One reason was probably the crowd, I guess. She said she seemed less enthusiastic than usual, didn't interact much with the audience, even seemed kind of p.o.'d, etc. After Cowboys, when she normally goes into "Road To Dead", she turned to her band and counted on her hand 5,4,3,2,1 (or was it 1,2,3,4,5?) anyway, she did that then sat down at the piano and finished with just a few more songs. And when they tried to wait afterwards, Paula came outside with some woman who was rushing her along and yelling, "NO!! NO PICTURES!!" and the few things Paula did sign for people (VERY few), she just scribbled really fast. If this is the price we have to pay for Paula's fame, well, I almost wish it just hadn't happened (or hadn't happened yet, maybe...ever since that Grammy....). I mean, I am happy for Paula... she deserves her success, but now it's like trying to meet Madonna or something. We talked to Phil at the House Of Blues in Orlando... we were hoping we could see Paula after... he said he doubted it greatly, basically, and that things have gotten so out of hand, they might be getting her a bodyguard... that she's gotten accosted by overzealous fans, etc. I don't know... it's like a double-edged sword, fame. It's great that so many people are getting exposed to her music, but then she has to lose the personal contact with her fans, and the freedom to go about her everyday life, etc. I already miss the days of being able to talk to her after almost every show, as we've seen her twice since the Grammy's and she simply can't talk to anyone waiting outside since there's 50 or more people waiting....she just hurries onto the bus. *sigh* Well, that's my 3.1459..... cents' worth.... Peace and Love, Kara ---<--<{@ ******************************* May the angels protect you and sadness forget you.... ******************************(mlc) - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:16:38 +0000 From: Kara Kaminski Subject: (harbinger) Re: Santa Packin' Heat & another compilation oh yeah, one more thing... before the show started at the HOB in Orlando, they played the Missy Elliot "Feelin' Love" and it is awesome!!! We asked Phil about it-- if it was going to be released on anything, and he kinda laughed and said that it will be on the South Park soundtrack of all things!!!! (the only thing is - we've searched high and low, on the web, in record store newsletters, --everywhere-- and we cannot find a release date!) Kara ---<--<{@ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:38:23 PDT From: "Steve Bornstein" Subject: (harbinger) Re: Sarah concert, Paula and Santa Dear Kenn I can always count on you for an opinion, but Holy canoli! I know you didn't want to go off on a rant, but . . . First, as to Antigone Rising - I may have been up too close to the speakers, and missed out on some subtleties, but my impression was that their harmonies were a little undefined, leaning too much on unison. Of course, that was the most people they'd performed for, and they were in the presence of the goddess, but it seemed like they let their nerves get the better of them a bit. I always say - just settle down and play. Music is for the ears, not the eyes. I would rather hear a band that stood still and played/sang really well, like the Grateful Dead (played anyway), than someone who's spent more time on choreography and a stage show than their music, like, I don't know, Janet Jackson. No flames, please - I think she's got a great voice and some good songs, but I hate the regimented, militaristic choreography, which I can't seem to get out of my mind, and doesn't relate to the music. <> << most of us were standing on the soggy, muddy lawn of Bryant Park. I wouldn't have sat down either.>> No bruises - I didn't really feel one way or the other about this, just reporting an observation. I didn't mention how tense it got, or that a policeman almost got involved, but as difficult as it was it could have been worse. But in this case these weren't talkers - they were yelling at the standers to sit down. People did find ways to sit - I used a pizza box. The problem here is that I was BETWEEN these two groups, an uncomfortable place to be. At least when Sarah came on everybody stood up, rendering this moot. <> <> Of course I stuck it out. It would take more than that to make me leave. I'm also glad I stuck it out till the end of your tirade. I agree with you - I too would take standers over talkers any day. A concert really is more for listening than seeing, and talkers are a major distraction. BTW, this time it was the standers who were the recipients of several projectiles (thankfully plastic). I appreciate your input - you clearly have thought about this a lot - and I recall Joel Siegfried also posted very thoughtfully on this and related subjects. I will never forget Paula's Toad's Place show - not only because it was an outstanding performance, but because so many people were inexplicably noisy and rude. I don't know what the answer is, maybe nerve gas or a magic spell, cuz some people are just clueless about their effect on others and then get defensive when you call them on it. It does seem that those who really care suffer at the hands of those who don't, and it just isn't right. And finally, about Santa Packing Heat - a while ago there was a post from DeanJP who had found BMI listings of Paula's songs. In that list there was this: SAINT NICHOLAS IS CARRYING A GUN BMI Work # 003855270. So the song does exist, if not on that CD. Whew! Managed to get some Paula Content in after all. Peace JourneyBear ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:26:29 -0400 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Antigone Rising and General Concert Rants My buddy Kenn writes, In general, however, I've always wondered why anyone sits down at a general admission show (except, of course, during low-key ballad-type songs). It's a concert, after all. On the upbeat tunes, my take on it is to get up and dance and let the musicians know I'm enjoying and appreciating what they're doing up there. It seems to me that if you want to sit down for the whole show, It would make more sense to just buy a live CD and sit and listen to it in the comfort of your own home. Concerts are for jumping up and down and boppin' around and enjoying being alive. Ahhhh, sweet epiphany of truthfulness and light !!!!! Remember this thread about a year ago, when the Standers took on the LardAss Couch Potatos? Such a feud it was and is, and never the twain shall meet. In adding to Kenn's Dictatorial Utopian Concert Rules and Regs (which I wholeheartedly support), I motion to add the following: Addendum: Upon arriving at concert venue, follow the rules of the people; i.e. if there are 220 people standing up, do not think that your little entourage of like-minded LardAssed Couch Potatos can change the world with a few well-placed "Hey Siddowwwwn"s aimed at the folks directly in front of you. If sitting reaaallly means that much to you, show up early for the show. Get yourself a spot directly front and center, and plop that lazy ass right down on the floor. Then ponder the ridiculous scene; you, sitting down "enjoying" the show while gazing at the black plywood slab in front of you, your puny little head barely visible to the onstage performer/s. And listen for me behind you--I'll be the one repeating whiningly and incessantly, "HEY!!!! STAND UP UP THERE, WILL YA ?!?!?!?!? " I will entertain any and all replies/flamez from LardAssed Couch Potatos and their affiliated faction, the 'I Came to Sit and Hear the Radio Single and Then Leave' Party. - -Chris P p.s If I enter a venue and find the majority of "fans" still sitting down after a rousing rendition of, say, Road to Dead or Mississippi, I promise to bomb the joint and put the lameasses out of their collective misery! ;-) - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:56:17 EDT From: Honoku@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (harbinger) Philadelphia Show -Reply hey kara, i understand your disappointment, it's a real loss for fans when a personal favorite becomes the object of every ones desire. it seems to be one of those immutable laws of modern life however, and all you can do is kick back and relish the intimate experiences you had in the past, before it was to late. it is unfortunate that the choice for artists looking to have some credibility, and longevity is to either reach for the gold ring with all it's down sides, or fade into irrelevance, which then jeapordises their ability to make music at the highest levels. my empathy is with you steve - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ End of harbinger-digest V3 #168 *******************************