From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V3 #120 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Thursday, April 16 1998 Volume 03 : Number 120 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) Paula's Performance on TV (Germany) [Christian Blaise ] (harbinger) Shepherd's Bush Empire. [Adam ] Re: (harbinger) Tonight Show ["Steve Bornstein" ] Re: (harbinger) Tiger Backwards Lyrics [dj12doz@webtv.net (Daniel Gross)] (harbinger) Special Boston House Concert the day before Earthday [Chris S] Re: (harbinger) Tiger Backwards Lyrics [imzadi@siu.edu] Re: (harbinger) Tiger Backwards Lyrics [DWspinTHIS ] (harbinger) SUNFEST [bobs@virtualone.com (Bob Smith)] Re: (harbinger) Special Boston House Concert the day before Earthday [Kat] Re: (harbinger) Shepherd's Bush Empire. [Simon Dick ] (harbinger) General Boston Concert info (Multiple Artists) [Chris Snyder ] Re: (harbinger) Leno [Katie_Stohlmann@monterey.edu (Katie Stohlmann)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:46:13 +0200 From: Christian Blaise Subject: (harbinger) Paula's Performance on TV (Germany) The Baden concert (March the 9th) was planned to be broadcasted on SWF3 on April the 18th (Susanne's info - March 11th). Who can help me ? Is it still OK ? At what time ? Many Thanks chris christian.blaise@wanadoo.fr - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:56:17 +0300 From: sstewart@NTCGEN01HE.ntc.nokia.com (Stewart Steven NTC/INP-He) Subject: (harbinger) Storytellers PAULA From Billboard Online. On May 31, the channel will also launch "Storytellers Greatest Hits," a one-hour retrospective of highlights from the first two years of the series. A week later, it will premiere "Storytellers: The Lost Songs," featuring previously unseen performances by Garth Brooks, Paula Cole, Elvis Costello, Ray Davies, and the Bee Gees, among others. **** So was Paula ever even ON storytellers other than the appearance with Sarah McLachlan? Also, if anyone comes across an extra copy of Sarah's Storytellers CD bootleg or Paula's Bethlehem bootleg (Germany live shows) please let me know. I would be happy to pay for them. Helsinki Steve - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:37:42 -0400 From: Glenn McMullen Subject: Re: (harbinger) Tonight Show I have Paula Cole listed as being on The Tonight show with Jay Leno tonight - Wednesday Night - Not sure if it is a repeat or not. Glenn - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:18:26 +0100 From: Adam Subject: (harbinger) Shepherd's Bush Empire. Hi y'all, I've just joined the list but was wondering if anyone could help me out ? - I went to see Paula Cole play the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London, UK back on Wednesday 10th September 1997. Does anyone have or know of an audience recording ? If anyone does please email me, I'd love to get a copy. Thanks. Adam adam.comiskey@virgin.net - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:38:52 PDT From: "Steve Bornstein" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Tonight Show You wrote: >I have Paula Cole listed as being on The Tonight show with Jay Leno >tonight - Wednesday Night - Not sure if it is a repeat or not. > >Glenn > It is NOT a repeat - Jay announced it at the end of last night's show - also not a repeat Peace Steve (name under construction) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:37:40 PDT From: "Steve Bornstein" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Tonight Show You wrote: >I have Paula Cole listed as being on The Tonight show with Jay Leno >tonight - Wednesday Night - Not sure if it is a repeat or not. > >Glenn > It is NOT a repeat - Jay announced it at the end of last night's show - also not a repeat Peace Steve (name under construction) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:48:04 +0300 From: sstewart@NTCGEN01HE.ntc.nokia.com (Stewart Steven NTC/INP-He) Subject: (harbinger) Paula Vids on Web I had a whole passel of unused space on my band's website, so...for a limited time only...(meaning, until someone yaps at me for breaking any copyright laws), I have Quicktime videos of Paula up for your viewing pleasure. (Meaning, you should have Quicktime installed on your computer.) 1. I Don't Want to Wait (from Session 54...live piano) .mov 2. ME ("Red Section" of her new video) .mov 3. Elsewhere (from Storytellers with Sarah McLachlan) .mov 4. A freaky .avi that you have to see to believe. YIKES! Log onto my band's webpage: http://www.geocities.com/~fakefinn or http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/7004 then click the "Influence Me" button with the picture of Paula on it and you will be taken to the video page. You can save the videos yourself once they download by clicking on the right mouse button and choosing to save the .mov file. While you are there, check out the lyrics page, sign the guestbook with the reckless abandon of a 12 year old Hanson groupie pretending to be a big fan of Fake Finn, or just make yourself at home. And if anyone has any other Paula videos or clips that they want me to store there for a while, email me at "fakefinn@hotmail.com" Steven Stewart Helsinki, Finland www.geocities.com/~fakefinn - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:26:57 -0700 From: Joel Siegfried Subject: (harbinger) Tiger Backwards Lyrics On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 at 19:11:53, Kevin Jacobs wrote: > At the end of tiger by pauls cole there is a backwards sound of a > record,, what is that,, do you know. I have it on CD and you cant make > it go backwards like a LP. > Thanks kevin jacobs Does anyone on this list know the significance or meaning of these lyrics, which appear on Tiger, the first track of This Fire, from 4:06 to 4:18? I have asked a couple of friends who are audio enthusiasts with lots of equipment to see if they can record the segment, and then play it backwards to determine if it makes any sense. But perhaps someone here has already done this, or has seen it mentioned in a FAQ. Please advise. Cheers, Joel - -- _______________________________________________________________ Joel Siegfried San Diego, California Email: mailto:ecto@home.com Voice Mail: (619)222-9236 Female Vocalists: http://members.home.net/ecto/index.html _______________________________________________________________ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:03:15 -0500 From: dj12doz@webtv.net (Daniel Gross) Subject: Re: (harbinger) Tiger Backwards Lyrics I was told that Paula says Where Do I Put This Fire? backwards at rhe end of Tiger. Also, I went to a local music store looking for a ME single. The guy said it wasnt coming out, but she has a new album coming out in august? I think hes full of it, but if anyone knows something, please let me know? - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:24:29 -0500 From: Chris Snyder Subject: (harbinger) Special Boston House Concert the day before Earthday Hi everyone I've sent out a few private announcements, but here's the first real one. EDA Cafe History The idea for the EDA Cafe started with two artists from San Diego California. Cindy Lee Berryhill and Elizabeth Hummel were on a tour of the Northeast United States. They had played TT The Bear's in Cambridge Massachusetts and were going to play Albany New York when they found out that show was cancelled. Because of this cancellation they were left with an extra few days in the Boston area. They decided they wanted to play a show. They called Larry Greenfield in Los Angeles California and asked if he could find them a place to play. On April 16th at 8pm Larry posted to the Jewel Mailing List The Everyday Angels. He asked if there was anyone in the Boston area who would be willing to give their home for a livingroom concert. Christopher Snyder answered Larry's call for a place to play and by the end of the day it was decided that on April 18th the EDA Cafe would take place. Immediately the call was put out on the Jewel list that this concert would infact happen. Within the span of two days over 20 EDAs made plans to go to Dorchester for the EDA Cafe. The result was an amazing evening featuring two amazing performers and a group of wonderful music loving fans. It is very hard to describe exactly what the concert was like. Even though the artists and fans didn't know each other there was an instant familiarity that provided a perfect enviroment for relaxed, intimate, special moments. This concert manifested many things including a tape-tree on the Jewel mailing list, and a Living Room tour that took Cindy Lee, and Elizabeth from one side of the country to the other, and The concert has also given other artists intrest in having Living Room tours of their own. Because of these past events, a feeling of nostalgia, and a love of music we have decided to host the EDA Cafe 2 on April 24th 1998. 22222222222222222222222 Here is the FAQ type info for this years show What? EDA Cafe 2 Where? 39 Longfellow St. Boston MA Home of the Snyder's When? April 24th 1998 The show will start around 8 with dinner, beverages, and bs if Dennis has anything to do with it, beforehand. I want to know how much MONEY it costs? There is a 10 dollar suggested donation. Who? Attendees: All you lovely people who can make it. Who? Performers: A wonderful local performewr named Kevin So. You can view a page on him at http://www.tiac.net/users/gegertha/Kevin.html and find links to sound samples. Another way to hear Kevin's music is to send me a tape in a padded mailer and I will fill it with some of his best work and send it back to you. I am also working on other performers. Why? Simple...To have a wonderful time with great people and great music. How do you attend? RSVP to this address. It is very important to do this ASAP. You will then get all the other info you need to attend the concert. What if you need a place to stay? We are opening our home to anyone who wants a place. There will be beds, couches, and floor. If you live close or far you are welcome. It would be a good idea for some semi-local EDAs to stay over if they plan to attend Earthday on Saturday since it will necessitate getting to Boston in the early AM Why should I come? If nothing else to hear good music but as you know magic things happen when EDAs get together and if you miss this concert you will be very unhappy after the fact. Last year was nothing short of amazing and this year will be even better. So far the list of attendees includes Bill B Chris Moynihan Ali Frasier ? Dennis Harris Alan and AmyJo Bershaw (Maybe) Lauren Bond (and others) Stephanie The Snyders Albert Wang Jessa ? If your not on this list but are coming e-mail me. I hope that wasn't too long for your eyes. It would be wonderful to get more of you here. I know some of you were considering it over the weekend. If you want more info you can go to http://www.tiac.net/users/gegertha/EDANortheast.html and for information about the biggest Earthday concert in the country which just happens to be the next day go to http://www.tiac.net/users/gegertha/Earthday.html Talk to you soon Chris Snyder - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:56:57 -0500 From: imzadi@siu.edu Subject: Re: (harbinger) Tiger Backwards Lyrics >I was told that Paula says Where Do I Put This Fire? backwards at rhe >end of Tiger. > It's really not that big of a surprise. It is just the a capella lyrics (see above reply) at the beginning played backwards at the end. I've heard it. Computers can be very helpful. imzadi - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:29:51 EDT From: DWspinTHIS Subject: Re: (harbinger) Tiger Backwards Lyrics it's the beginning of the song at the end of the song, played backwards, if anyone got that...all you have to do is make a sound wav. for your 'puter, the end of the song, and listen to it backwards---that's what i did...i believe she says "this tigerlilly down my mouth, he wants to grow to 20 feet tall" and it cuts off somewhere in that (i'd post it, but i can't find the wav) hol - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:42:38 +0000 From: bobs@virtualone.com (Bob Smith) Subject: (harbinger) SUNFEST Is anyone going to Sunfest? - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:32:00 -0700 From: Katie_Stohlmann@monterey.edu (Katie Stohlmann) Subject: Re: (harbinger) Special Boston House Concert the day before Earthday Too bad I live in California. Oh well, but hey. If anyone wants to come to Monterey, I will gladly let you in to my dorm room if you'd like to perform a concert. It's pretty big as far as dorms go and there's the added bonus that any type of music would definitely annoy the evil one known as my roommate. katie ~~my page o' nothing http://student.monterey.edu/stohlmannkatheri/world/ not for those who are easily offended (hmm i wonder what that means...)~~ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:20:21 +0100 (BST) From: Simon Dick Subject: Re: (harbinger) Shepherd's Bush Empire. > Hi y'all, > > I've just joined the list but was wondering if anyone could help me out ? - > I went to see Paula Cole play the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London, UK back > on Wednesday 10th September 1997. Does anyone have or know of an audience > recording ? > > If anyone does please email me, I'd love to get a copy. Email me too, I was there too (front row ;), and I'd *love* a copy :))) Simon - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:44:20 EDT From: DWspinTHIS Subject: Re: (harbinger) Special Boston House Concert the day before Earthday In a message dated 4/15/98 3:55:23 PM Central Daylight Time, Katie_Stohlmann@monterey.edu writes: << It's pretty big as far as dorms go and there's the added bonus that any type of music would definitely annoy the evil one known as my roommate. >> SATAN!!! hey, does anybody know if that May 5th performance on rosie is another rerun, or is it another cool interview? hol - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:38:07 EDT From: DWspinTHIS Subject: (harbinger) Leno i think she did a wonderful job....i loved the set....i half expected her to actually start shedding tears on that one, she sang beautifuly, though her voice WAS a little shaky at times. anyone else care to add? hol - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:51:42 -0500 From: Chris Snyder Subject: (harbinger) General Boston Concert info (Multiple Artists) Hi Everyone Since there are alot of Boston people on the list I thought I would put together a list of some upcoming concerts in the Boston area. This is far from comprehensive it's just what intrests me. If your gonna go to any of these please e-mail me so I can look for you. Most of these dates are from reliable sources but nothing is set in stone. Always make sure that the show is happening before you go. April 19th Passim Cambridge MA $5 2pm Kevin So, Dave's True Story, Hugh Blumenfeld, Poet Patricia Smith April 21st Ryles Cambridge MA $5 8pm Jim's Big Ego April 22nd Paradise Boston MA Free doors 8 show 9 Lilith Fair Acoustic Talent Search April 24th 39 Longfellow St. Boston MA $10 Donation Show 8pm EDA CAFE 2 Kevin So April 25th Esplanade Boston MA Free 11am 6pm WBOS Earthfest Paula Cole, Chantal Kreviazuk, Abra Moore, Edwin McCain, Glen Frey, Dog's Eye View, 10,000 Maniacs. Sunday, April 26 Lupo's Providence RI $15 Doors 7:30 Show 8:30 Paula Cole Headliner With Merrie Amsterburg April 29th Passim Cambridge MA $15 7pm End Construction Reunion Ellis Paul, Jim Infantino, Jon Svetky, Brian Dozer May 1st Paradise Boston MA $12 Doors 7 Show 8 Lisa Loeb headline also Tara MacLean May 2nd Somerville MA $10 Donation 8pm Stephanie Kartalopoulos House Concert Jenny Bruce, Jody Blackwell May 5th Kendall Cafe Cambridge MA $5 10pm Steve Poltz June 19th Passim Cambridge MA $? 8pm Debut CD Release Party Jess Klein July 24th, July 25th, and July 26th Hillsdale NY Prices Vary All Day Falcon Ridge Folk Festival Performers Include The Nields, Vance Gilbert, John Gorka, Greg Brown, David Hamburger, Karen Savoca, Brooks Williams, Richard Shindell, Dar Williams, Camp Hoboken, Christian Bauman, Gregg Cagno, Linda Sharar, Big Happy Crowd, Carol Sharar, Bob Malone, The Bobs, Mustard's Retreat, Bob Malone, and others. This is the concert to go to. If you go nowhere else this summer be at this concert. August 8th and 9th Fort Adams Newport RI $65 two day pass All day Newport Folki Festival Day 1 ????? Day 2 Ani Difranco Indigo Girls Trina Hamlin and more Upcoming Vance Gilbert Passim (June) Steve Poltz Living Room Show (July) Lilith Fair Great Woods (August ) That's it for now. If you have anything else let me know. - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:25:57 -0700 From: Katie_Stohlmann@monterey.edu (Katie Stohlmann) Subject: Re: (harbinger) Leno >i think she did a wonderful job....i loved the set....i half expected >her to >actually start shedding tears on that one, she sang beautifuly, though >her >voice WAS a little shaky at times. >anyone else care to add? >hol i didn't get to see it yet since. it is on in a couple of hours though. The VCR is getting a workout tonight, from sheryl on that burt bacarach thing, to paula on Leno. yay. it likes it. <> well, we must refer to her/it in her proper name...=) what a frightening thought that is. katie ~~my page o' nothing http://student.monterey.edu/stohlmannkatheri/world/ not for those who are easily offended (hmm i wonder what that means...)~~ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ End of harbinger-digest V3 #120 *******************************