From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V3 #92 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Friday, March 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 092 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) salad [Cleo Isis ] (harbinger) Paula/ Her influence on new album [sstewart@NTCGEN01HE.ntc.no] Re: (harbinger) salad [Honoku ] Re: (harbinger) important--please read -Reply ["Kenn" ] Re: (harbinger) Finishing a letter.... [sus@home.ivm.de] Re: (harbinger) "Me" Promos [MDamon21 ] Re: (harbinger) Miscellaneous On-Topic Stuff -Reply [Momrox1 ] Re: (harbinger) Sarah ticket for sale [LeShawnte ] Re: (harbinger) Sarah ticket for sale ["Christopher Povie" Subject: (harbinger) salad I hate to post twice in a row. If you think that my posts are a bit random, you should try to have a conversation with me! *smile* Just to toss a few more things out: Is Paula vegan? *AHEM* If you don't have time, ignore the rest of this message.************ I heard the vegan thing on the radio that she was a while back. The radio isn't the most reliable source of info, as we all well know. Just wondering because I am a veggie, not vegan (but i'm working on it). (Oh god, please don't let this start a huge meat is murder vs. I love steak discussion or a recipe swapping mailing list...*smile*) and my favorite songs on This Fire: Throwing Stones Me Mississippi Nietzsche's Eyes Feelin' love and the rest, mai oui, but these songs especially. Love, Dusti (Cleopatra, Goddess of Denial; Queen Ruler of the Universe; DIVA, etc.) - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:21:48 +0200 From: sstewart@NTCGEN01HE.ntc.nokia.com (Stewart Steven NTC/INP-He) Subject: (harbinger) Paula/ Her influence on new album I have to respond to the ani fallout comments (the story about the guy who supposedly dropped everything to come to NY to play with Paula and said she abandoned him.) And at the end of this post is info on how a Paula interview helped a new EMI artist. I don't know if the "ani fallout" story is true...but it's an unfortunate fact in show business that you need not only talent, but a thick skin. hol's comments about Sheryl Crow's band kind of say it all, "and personally i think the "new" band is much better looking than her old band, and their names are a lot easier to remember" Sorry, but that mentality hits me the same way as the armpit hair comments...that the physical appearance and commercial viability is often the most important quality to the consumer. That attitude seems to drive the A&R reps to look for style over substance, sex, and marketability. Viola! The Spice Girls! The Buggles said it best, "Video Killed the Radio Star." Sadly, most viewers don't want to see an overweight Anne Wilson (of Heart) or Aretha Franklin...they just want to hear them. But think about it. If someone offered you a record contract which was only valid for you and not your band...would you take it? It could mean an opportunity to put you in a position to help your band later. It could mean that not taking it means that the band may never get a contract and everyone would lose. And being in a band has a lot of baggage. Is the musician a good friend, or is he a Diva (Divo?) who is argumentative, late, drunk at gigs, druggie, difficult to work with, negative...etc. He could be a brilliant musician...but not right for the group. How is his commitment.? Whether the guy played with the other band fun or not..., who knows if he would have left Paula in the dust if the OTHER band got signed. As outsiders, there is no way for us to know. Paula has said in interviews that she really respected Bob Marley (? I think that's right) because she admired his loyalty to his band. Everything I have heard about Paula shows me that she has an INTENSE STRONG PASSIONATE loyalty to the people who have worked with her in the past. Look at how she handled Phil's ordeal. It would have been easy to let the lawyers handle it and distance herself from the (unfair) negative publicity. I think her example shines brighter than any gossip. If my info is correct, she also seems to have made ammends with her exboyfriend/guitarist... isn't he playing on her full band gigs now? Again, sorry for the ramble, but it is easy to feel bitter and blame other people for missed opportunities when you could gain more by looking at YOURSELF. Don't wait for others to roll out the red carpet for you. Make your own opportunities. I loved the Paula interview where she told an aspiring songwriter to LEARN THE BUSINESS. Learn all you can about music so you can tell the guitar player to play the 11th, not the 9th. Learn about producing, marketing, songwriting, backup vocals, arrangements, etc. so you can be a full artist. I gave that article to a young lady who is currently recording her debut album for EMI (Virgin Records). She was just a singer who was going to have the A&R guys choose her songs. She ended up postponing the recording of the album, learned about songwriting...and has co-written four of the ten tracks for the album which is being recorded next week. She is no longer just a singer, but a singer/songwriter and her material is actually even better than the material initially given to her. Thanks for listening, Steven Stewart Helsinki, Finland - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:34:18 EST From: Honoku Subject: Re: (harbinger) salad it was through this list that i heard about www.vegsource.com a terrific site for the culinarily challenged. providing vegitarian support 25 hrs a day 8 days a week - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:16:35 -0500 From: "Kenn" Subject: Re: (harbinger) important--please read -Reply Jason wrote: > I recognize the value of learning about other artists from lists, and so > I've never had a problem with non-Paula music posts, and it's been of > use to a lot of fte expatriates b/c they can still get import McLachlan > news here, but this is still a music list and not a social club or corner > bar. Thank you, Jason, for taking the words out of my cyber-mouth. This is exactly to what I was referring in my post yesterday. Others misread or misinterpreted my words, but I, too, enjoy the posts about other artists. It's the prattle that has no place on Harbinger. I recognize that threads about lightbulbs or left- or right-handedness might start off as a Paula post, but when they lose their connection to Paula (or even worse, when they reach the point of turning into another thread altogether - your third-grade P.E. teacher's speech impediment, etc.) - then it's time to take it private. Or take it to a list where that stuff is not considered to be in bad form. This isn't one of those lists. To quote an old 7-Up advertisement... Never had it, never will. > If you don't like that, that's fine. We can disagree and I'm not > questioning the sincerity of your viewpoint. My sentiments exactly. > It's just that I set the rules, not you. ;) And there's not a day that goes by that I don't count my lucky stars for this very fact. Long live Jason Greshes!!!! :^D Peace. Kenn - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:56:29 -0500 From: "Kenn" Subject: (harbinger) Paula/ Her influence on new album -Reply My Mephistophelian snowman, Steven, wrote: > Sorry, but that mentality hits me the same way as the armpit hair > comments...that the physical appearance and commercial viability is > often the most important quality to the consumer. You're right, Steven. That is precisely the thought process at work behind the DJs in Oregon who spent so much time razzing Paula about her armpit hair and the DJs here in NYC who have been playing a spoof of "I Don't Want To Wait" called "I Don't Want To Shave." Instead of discussing Paula's talent as a musician, they've allowed this same superficial mentality and rude toilet humor to rule the day. It's the same thinking that will always keep our radio waves and video screens full of a lot of substandard music being churned out by musicians with the image du jour. > The Buggles said it best, "Video Killed the Radio Star." Sadly, most > viewers don't want to see an overweight Anne Wilson (of Heart) or > Aretha Franklin...they just want to hear them. And, conversely, they'll go apeshit over musicians who are all style and no substance. Listeners fall prey to marketing tactics every day. I can think of one multi-Grammy nominee (who in my own opinion - which needn't be the opinion of any other Harbingeranians- is a low talent charlatan) who has created so much hype around himself that, even though his music requires a small fraction of the talent required by Paula to produce either of her albums, he has gone platinum a few times over while Paula is still a long way from double platinum. He's not seeing platinum again and again because his music is all that great. He's just the hot ticket right now. And, then there's the "bitch" who can't sing her way out of a paper sack (even though she's a pretty good guitarist), but she's really pretty so her album sells millions and millions of copies. I don't begrudge her that. It's just amazing to me what listeners are willing to overlook in order to justify their reasons for choosing to listen to (or not listen to) any given artist. When it comes right down to it, the majority of the listening public doesn't want to think when they ingest art. They just want mind candy and they'd prefer that it come from someone onto whom they could readily project their own fantasies - be those fantasies sexual or just a deeply imbedded wish to be as pretty or phat as they personally deem that artist to be. > But think about it. If someone offered you a record contract which > was only valid for you and not your band...would you take it? It could > mean an opportunity to put you in a position to help your band later. It > could mean that not taking it means that the band may never get a > contract and everyone would lose. I'd take it, but I would make sure my band knew about it from the get-go. What I mean is that I would tell them up front that if we ever hit and only I got offered the contract, I'd take it. I'd fight to get them on the contract, too, but if that failed, I'd jump on and not feel guilty at all. Like you said, Steven, who knows what you might be able to do for those bandmates later. > Paula has said in interviews that she really respected Bob Marley (? I > think that's right) because she admired his loyalty to his band. > Everything I have heard about Paula shows me that she has an > INTENSE STRONG PASSIONATE loyalty to the people who have > worked with her in the past. Look at how she handled Phil's ordeal. It > would have been easy to let the lawyers handle it and distance > herself from the (unfair) negative publicity. I think her example shines > brighter than any gossip. You said it, Steven. Paula is very loyal to her guys. I choose to believe what I've seen for myself, not the secondhand grumblings of some musician who, until recently, I've never once heard of in relation to Paula. > If my info is correct, she also seems to have made ammends with her > exboyfriend/guitarist... isn't he playing on her full band gigs now? Those are two separate people. Her exboyfriend/guitarist is no longer with her band. He's gone and plays with another artist now. However, from what Paula has said in interviews she gave after Harbinger was released, I do think that they reconciled to some extent. The guitarists who play in Paula full band gigs now are Kevin and Mark. Kevin and Paula played together in the wedding band, Spectrum, years ago and have known each other a long time. Whether or not they were ever involved, I have no idea but he only joined Paula's band for the This Fire tour. Kevin just got married a few months ago. Mark is the bass player and he, too, only joined the band for this tour. He's married and has a new baby. Peace. Kenn - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:11:57 -0500 From: "Kenn" Subject: (harbinger) "Me" Promos Just a quick note for those dedicated collectors of Paula music.... Turns out there are two versions of the "Me" promo CD. The first one [PRO-CD-8609] comes in a jewelcase with no front insert. There is a back insert, but the only art is a black and white fade of the Warner Brothers logo. The disc itself has no silkscreen art. The track listing is (1) Me (edit) and (2) Me (album version). The second version [PRO-CD-9147] has become available only fairly recently. It comes in a jewelcase with no front insert - there is a front sticker instead, which covers the entire front of the jewelcase. The sticker is silver/grey, reads "Paula Cole - Me" and features a black and white image of Paula's mouth. There is a back insert with no art. The disc itself is brown and features silkscreen art of some of the lyrics of "Me." The track listing is the same as the original version. Hope this helps some of you out in your hunting. I've added several new discs to the Paula discography and will be sending it out to those who initially requested a copy within the next two days. If you want to get the discog, write me privately. As soon as my website is up, it will all appear there. Peace. Kenn - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:26:43 +0100 From: sus@home.ivm.de Subject: Re: (harbinger) Finishing a letter.... > Phil > > PS In Germany, they were actually showing Hogans Heroes dubbed in German. Am > I the only one who finds that a bit strange ?????? > Well, I could tell you, if you told me what 'Hogan's Heroes' is. I might know it under another(a GERMAN) title.I would'nt like german series dubbed in Japanese, too, I think. Take Care Susanne > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe harbinger > > Please note the new majordomo address > > To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: > http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html > > Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: > http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html > For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:07:22 EST From: MDamon21 Subject: Re: (harbinger) "Me" Promos Hey there Just wondering if you received my $10 for the Paula CD yet? I found one more of the Bethlehem CDs, but there was somene before you who wanted a copy, so i gave it to him., Still buggining the guy for another one. Anyhoo, can you send a copy of the Discography,please? Thanks! Seb p.s- Im finding some really rare stuff , so il email you if I compile a list, and see if you want som e stuff Take care, Seb :) - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:02:27 EST From: Momrox1 Subject: Re: (harbinger) Miscellaneous On-Topic Stuff -Reply Mr. Povie sayeth: << Okay....So, what can I do to clear my reputation around here? >> Absolutely Nothing-I like you just the way you are : ) - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:02:38 EST From: Momrox1 Subject: (harbinger) Sarah ticket for sale It is with much regret that I must post this. I can't go to the Sarah in Providence RI show on March 29 because my niece has asked me to sponsor her for her confirmation and the rehearsal is that day and I have to be there. Rather than argue with my sister, I'm selling my ticket. The seat is awesome, sob, row H seat 1, on the aisle, left orchestra. I forget but I think it's sixth row, maybe seventh. Cost is what I paid-$37.00...sob Email me Judy - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:45:12 EST From: LeShawnte Subject: Re: (harbinger) Sarah ticket for sale Judy I'll purchase your ticket if no one else offers, because i think i'm going solo... but then i have two tickets to sell myself if i were to take yours. I'm sayin that a pair is easier to sell than uno, ya know. IF you don't get any offers, i can try and sell my pair which are Orch L row Q... any takers on Harbinger?? This show is SOLD OUT!!! ANd will be a great one as we all know... and our Dear Judy WILL BE MISSED!!! :( shawnte' - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:50:09 -0500 From: "Christopher Povie" Subject: Re: (harbinger) Sarah ticket for sale - -----Original Message----- From: Momrox1 To: fte@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Cc: harbinger@smoe.org Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 6:16 PM Subject: (harbinger) Sarah ticket for sale >It is with much regret that I must post this. I can't go to the Sarah in >Providence RI show on March 29 because my niece has asked me to sponsor her >for her confirmation Ahh....Yet ANOTHER drawback to Catholicism.... Screw the Pope, Judes...Go to the show with your niece! You'll both be better off. Chris - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ End of harbinger-digest V3 #92 ******************************