From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V3 #71 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Sunday, March 1 1998 Volume 03 : Number 071 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- Re: (harbinger) James Taylor!!! (response to povie) ["Sarah Andrews Cook"] (harbinger) FW: "The Finger" at the Grammy's! [Sharley Hillgardner ] Re: (harbinger) Re: Aretha ["Susan F." ] Re: (harbinger) James Taylor!!! (response to povie) [MARC3RD ] (harbinger) Holly Confusion(?) / (was "The Finger" at the Grammy's!) ["Ho] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:29:12 PST From: "Sarah Andrews Cook" Subject: Re: (harbinger) James Taylor!!! (response to povie) Saturn Girl wrote: >On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Christopher Povie wrote: > >> Ah, I'm 32, and remember hearing 'I Always Thought I'd See You Again' >> since I was able to use a toilet alone. > >well fine, under 30, you're taking this way too literally here. Hi! Under 30 here. :-) 26 to be exact. Grew up listening to James Taylor. It's funny - here, on FTE, and on alt.music.s-mclachlan there have been numerous people who had never heard of James Taylor. I was just on a 4-hour car trip last Sunday, and at one point someone popped in their James Taylor Greatest Hits CD - we were all singing along, in harmony. And everyone in the car was younger than I was (22-24 years old). So it's not an age thing. If you haven't heard him,you just haven't heard him. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;-) And I can't really comment on his award, since I haven't heard the new album. pax, Sarah ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo-test@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:56:32 -0600 From: Sharley Hillgardner Subject: (harbinger) FW: "The Finger" at the Grammy's! > ---------- > From: Sah2348 > Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 2:11 AM > To: harbinger@smoe.org > Cc: Sharley Hillgardner > Subject: "The Finger" at the Grammy's! > > Ok- Twas mentioned by someone (hol bolt?) of Paula possibly flicking the > finger in her performance of Cowboys at the Grammy's. Ya'll are all going > to > think I'm such a dork, but she does flick the guy off in the song and you > can > see it on her Grammy performance! The trick is to put your vcr on slow > forward advance right before she sings "You go have a beer." Her arm will > start to raise, then the camera moves away, but then when the camera > returns > it's an excellent shot of Paula using her finger. It's great, awesome > that > she didn't change herself or her performance for the stuffy Grammy elite! > Check it out if you so dare!! > > ~Sharley > > -Celine Dion's reaction after Paula's performance is great, she turns to > Rene > with a look of, "Did you see that, what was that?!?!" Classic!! > - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo-test@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:05:03 -0600 From: Sharley Hillgardner Subject: (harbinger) VH1 Storyteller's tonight! Hey guys! Just wanted to put out a reminder that Sarah McLachlan's Vh1 Storyteller's performance airs tonight at 10 PM EST. Paula has a guest appearance on it. ~Sharley - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo-test@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:10:19 -0600 From: Sharley Hillgardner Subject: (harbinger) PC Article in TV Guide This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD44A6.6BCDC7F0 Content-Type: text/plain Approved: sehr > ---------- > From: Sah2348@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 4:52 PM > To: Sharley Hillgardner > Cc: chelsea@siona.com > Subject: Fwd: PC Article in TV Guide > > <> > > - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD44A6.6BCDC7F0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: Sah2348@aol.com To: harbinger@smoe.org Cc: Sharley Hillgardner , chelsea@siona.com Subject: PC Article in TV Guide Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:33:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, it's late, but here it is! Paula's article from Feb. 21-27 TV Guide. Here's a quote next to her full length picture. "Although her lyrics may be misunderstood, there's no mistaking the ferocious talent of Paula Cole, who has emerged as an overwhelming favorite at the Grammy Awards" Next to a picture of Paula performing, "In concert, Cole connects intensely with her material." "Suddenly Paula" by Christina Kelly "I will do the laundry if you pay all the bills," sings Paula Cole in "Where Have All the Cowboys Gone?" Her widely misinterpreted take on gender stereotypes describes a beery, behind-the-times mate who wouldn't know a vacuum cleaner from a curling iron. But the lyrics capture him with a sarcasm so subtle that you can't blame people for not getting the joke. Writing in the New York Times, a (male) critic missed the irony and described Cole as "somewhere to the right of Tammy Wynette." No doubt a number of fans have been drawn to Cole's music out of some misguided longing for oldfashioned Anita Bryant-type values. But misunderstanding alone can't explain Cole's skyrocketing success. The singer is VH1's February Artist of the Month. Her ardent second album, This Fire, has gone gold. She is the most recognized woman at this week's Grammy Awards with seven nominations, and is the first singer since Bobbie Gentry in 1967 to be nominated in all four major categories--song, record, album, and new artist--in the same year. Cole's newfound acclaim clearly stems from other factors, including her impassioned voice and piano playing, her participation in last summer's Lilith Fair--and maybe, just maybe, the fact that the striking 29-year-old appears naked on the cover of This Fire. Her decision to pose (albeit artistically) in the nude is all the more intriguing because Cole refused to have any pictures of herself adorn her first album, Harbinger. "I was really defensive about any sexualization of my image," she says. Not anymore. "With some evolution of my soul, I was able to look at that side of myself that was so wounded." Cole is vague about the experiences that harmed her. "There's a lot that I don't want to go into, mostly having to do with not being educated and prepared for the world," she says. "I was very naive." She has described her childhood in the harbor town of Rockport, Massachusetts, as lower middle class. Her mother, Stephanie, was an artist, and her father, Jim, was earning a Ph.D. in entomology while raising Paula and her older sister, Irene, now a nurse in Berkeley, California. "My family had this ritual of going down to the newstand every Sunday," says Cole. "We were tight on money, and I had to choose between a comic book and a candy bar, and I made up a song about that." Cole drove herself so hard to earn A's in high school that she developed ulcers. "Music was always a fun family thing in our house," she recalls, "but my folks didn't know if I really had talent. So I went to a couple of summer programs at Berklee College of Music (in Boston). The teachers really encouraged me, and I got a great scholarship." At Berklee, she studied jazz singing and joined the gospel choir. "I was the only white singer there," she says. "That completely changed me. I came from such a representative white town. I loved Berklee." The year after graduation didn't go so well. "I found myself singing in the lounge of the (Logan Airport) Hilton. I was depressed with my musical reality." Who wouldn't be, singing Taylor Dayne and Mariah Carey songs? "My voice is soulful, dark and good, but I can't do (Carey's) pyrotechnics; that made me look pretty bad," she says, laughing. Cole moved to San Francisco to see a bit of the world outside New England. "I was a bakery clerk and wrote and wrote and wrote," she says. "I was very lonely out there, but in hindsight I realize that I needed to be that lonely to write all those songs." She landed a deal with the Imago label, and after Peter Gabriel heard an advance tape of her first album, he asked her to tour with him as a backup singer. "I was ecstatic because I was a worshiper of his music." Cole subsequently toured with Lilith Fair founder Sarah McLachlan, and that resulted in an invitation to join the distaff festival. Her favorite experience at Lilith, says Cole, was "presenting a check to local charities and hearing them talk about how the money would help so many people's lives. And also seeing young girls in the audience having the Fair in their lives. I wish I could have had that when I was 14." After touring through the fall (including a brief return to Lilith), Cole will take some time off before beginning her third record early in 1999. "Artistically I want to move on," she says. "I have a lot of work, at least an album's worth of material." Cole, who lives in New York City with her boyfriend, musician- filmmaker Seyi Sonuga, is also thinking about when she'll have kids. "Stevie Nicks always says that her one regret is that she didn't have children," Cole says. "I want the humility that children bring. I don't want to lose my fertility." Her words sound very much like the lyrics to her song "I Don't Want to Wait." Her Grammy nominations thrill her. "I feel very honored," she says. "I'm really trying not to be competitive because I don't like that quality in myself. And I feel that in the end, all my hard work has finally paid off." That's all folks! Hope you enjoyed the reading. Oh, here's something from the Cheers and Jeers section of TV Guide also. Jeers to partial credits. We applaud the WB's Dawson's Creek for displaying photos of the artists whose music has been used during the episode at the show's end. But we can't help noticing that this arrangement is limited to singers such as Paula Cole and the BoDeans, who happen to record for Warner Bros. or Sony, the labels affiliated with the studios that produce the show. On one recent episode, for instance, Meredith Brooks's song "What Would Happen" was used prominently. Yet shown were photos of such obscure Sony and Warner Bros. artists as Sophie Zalmani and Eddi Reader. Brooks was never mentioned. It's great to celebrate the music, but the intent should be to inform, not to blatantly promote. Thought this was interesting and that some of ya'll would care to know this opinion. TV Guide didn't print a name with this opinion, sorry. Thanks for hanging in there guys, I'm finished now. ~Sharley - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD44A6.6BCDC7F0-- - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo-test@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:56:48 EST From: DWspinTHIS Subject: Re: (harbinger) Paula and The Grammys is Michele Visage even a woman? i thought she was of the same nature as RuPaul... hol - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo-test@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 21:37:57 -0500 From: "Susan F." Subject: Re: (harbinger) Re: Aretha Paula, You wrote: >Wow...I thought Arethas performance was amazing. I had tears streaming >down my face. I did too and I totally agree with you about Aretha's performance- the versatility of the woman and the power of both of her performances, so different, yet so marvelous- she's still "the Queen of Soul." By the way, did anyone else notice Paula's comment in "Rolling Stone" mag. where she says Aretha is one of her idols, but that she (meaning Aretha) has gotten "lazy". She's lucky Aretha didn't bop her with her Grammy! I know how moved she was to get her award from Aretha. But I do think that she and some of her under 30 fans (including some on this list) might want to curb their criticism until they've been performing for more than 30+ years as Aretha and Dylan have. >>btw..I'm a music teacher, and hope that I have some background to >>compare to... >>wow... >>paula It isn't a matter of rewarding them for having paid their dues. There are some of us over 40 who have been listening to music like James Taylor and Dylan since the 60's, and they still continue to express with their music and their lyrics feelings and experiences that we can relate to and wish we could express as well. "Time Out of Mind" says it for me in 1997 as well as "Blonde on Blonde" did in 1967. The e-online interview before the Grammys has Paula talking about how she would love to get the chance to pay "hommage" to Aretha and let Stevie Wonder know how much his music meant to her. I was personally disappointed in Stevie's performance because I've heard and seen him sing in better voice and with more feeling. However, those who are criticizing Dylan's voice and performance must not realize that he has never had a voice, but noone sings his songs better and with more feeling than he does when he's "on", and I thought both his performance and his acceptance speech were delivered from his heart and soul- at least he touched mine. I am grateful that he is still around expressing my thoughts and feelings. I am also glad that the musicians who voted on the Grammys have had enough experience (having worked on at least 6 albums themselves) to know that Dylan's was the best album of the year. I believe that Paula has the talent and the vision to continue expressing her feelings, our feelings, and esp. those of her generation in her music, and I for one am looking forward to seeing her grow and age and performing at the Grammys in 2023. >(who was totally blown away by seeing my former student ON STAGE at the >grammies!!!@!!~!) Loved seeing him in a suit- a first, I think. I am also so pleased to see how gracious and kind both Paula and Jay are when it comes to their appreciation of their former teachers. Congrats to you,too, Paula (Jay B.'s former music teacher). Susan - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo-test@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:37:52 EST From: MARC3RD Subject: Re: (harbinger) James Taylor!!! (response to povie) In a message dated 2/28/98 1:41:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, paxsarah@hotmail.com writes: << And I can't really comment on his award, since I haven't heard the new album. pax, Sarah >> Oh do listen to his new album.It is as good and any of his other ones. I love it. - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo-test@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:40:02 EST From: MARC3RD Subject: Re: (harbinger) Paula And Her Finger - Reply In a message dated 2/27/98 2:11:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, hmbolt@pacifier.com writes: << I have to say I really loved Paula's acceptance speech. I loved the fact that she didn't get up there and thank a bunch of people that most of us have never heard of. She thanked her parents, her teachers, and the musicians who have inspired her over the years. I was so pleased for her that I must say I felt a little misty... >> What about the band and her crew who have been with her for so long through so much? - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo-test@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:56:58 -0800 From: "Holly Bolt" Subject: (harbinger) Holly Confusion(?) / (was "The Finger" at the Grammy's!) - -----Original Message----- From: Sharley Hillgardner To: 'harbinger@smoe.org' Date: Saturday, February 28, 1998 4:03 PM Subject: (harbinger) FW: "The Finger" at the Grammy's! >> Ok- Twas mentioned by someone (hol bolt?) of Paula possibly flicking the >> finger in her performance of Cowboys at the Grammy's. Ya'll are all going I just wanted to let people know that there are now **two** Hollys on the Harbinger listserve!! I am Holly Bolt and will usually sign my posts "Holly" or "Holly Bolt." There is also another Holly who usually signs her name "hol." I don't really mind the mixup above, and although I don't really know "hol," I'm sure that she *probably* doesn't mind either. (hopefully, she's okay with me speaking for her here!!) If my memory serves me correctly, this isn't the first time I've sensed some confusion, so I thought I'd post a note... Hope you all enjoyed Storytellers as much as I did!!! Sarah was fantastic as always, and the combo of Paula and Sarah was wonderful... Holly Bolt - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo-test@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ End of harbinger-digest V3 #71 ******************************