From: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org (harbinger-digest) To: harbinger-digest@smoe.org Subject: harbinger-digest V2 #26 Reply-To: harbinger@smoe.org Sender: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-harbinger-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk harbinger-digest Saturday, August 2 1997 Volume 02 : Number 026 HARBINGER DIGEST To post, mail harbinger@smoe.org To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger-digest To get list info file, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info harbinger-digest Today's Subjects: ---------------- (harbinger) Paula - resend message :) [LynnGarret@aol.com] (harbinger) New!! [AngelCourt@aol.com] (harbinger) McLachlan vs. Cole: POLL ["dbailey@ro.com" ] (harbinger) Web Ring [MiChelle Smith ] Re: (harbinger) (Not) [SuccessHB@aol.com] Re: (harbinger) Web Ring [g ] (harbinger) McLachlan vs. Cole: POLL -Reply ["Kenn Carpenter" Subject: (harbinger) McLachlan vs. Cole: POLL OK, Ventrue cried out for some intelligent posts to Harbinger, so here I am, to the rescue. (OK, so this might be less-than-intelligent, at least it'll generate traffic--. ) I recently bought both Surfacing and Harbinger. Conventional Wisdom has it that Surfacing is Sarah's "worst" CD. How is that relevant? Well, I absolutely love This Fire, while Harbinger has made a less solid impression on me. In my never-to-be-humble opinion (forgive me, Dr. Laura), Surfacing is a better CD than Harbinger. What do you guys think? Another comparison I'd like to make is This Fire with either Solace or Touch. I love TF so much that I think it's better than either of Sarah's first two CDs. Solace never made much of an impression on me, and Touch, well, it's wonderful, but TF beats it out by a few hairs. (I really dislike Harbinger's graphics, illustrations, and general color scheme, though. B/W, YUCK!) My job done, I await an avalanche of replies. - --Doug dbailey@ro.com ============== Your Jiminey Jack Rabbit guide to comprehensibility: Discography - ----------- Sarah McLachlan Paula Cole - --------------- ---------- Touch This Fire Solace Surfacing Harbinger ============== - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:28:34 -0600 From: MiChelle Smith Subject: (harbinger) Web Ring Hi fellow Paula fans, Sometime back someone wrote about a Paula Cole Web Ring being out there, does anyone have that info and if so can they forward it to me. I am working on redoing my web page and would like to join the ring. Also, some of you sent me tapes and I think you know who you are but I have been through a few months of torture and all with a pending move to Texas and I need to get things sent back. Please email me your addresses so I can get that doen THIS week. I promise I will get it done. I am sorry for taking so long but my life really has been a mess. Thanks for all of your patience in this matetr and I hope to get info back on the web ring. Sincerely MiChelle - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:43:27 -0400 (EDT) From: SuccessHB@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) (Not) In a message dated 97-08-01 04:17:17 EDT, you write: << Huh? I've never sat and chatted over coffee with Paula..... I don't even drink coffee. The most interaction I've ever had with Paula is talk to her for a while after her shows. But it was never anything more intimate than the conversations had with Paula by many of her other fans. >> My memory must have done some sleight of hand on me. For some reason, I thought I read a post sometime last November?? that said something about you and Paula chatting over coffee. Oh, and I'm just now remembering the great Thai dinner I shared with Paula . . . in my dreams! To the wonders of memory! Kate - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:00:57 -0400 From: g Subject: Re: (harbinger) Web Ring Paula Cole Webring http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3284/pcweb.html - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:22:07 -0400 From: "Kenn Carpenter" Subject: (harbinger) McLachlan vs. Cole: POLL -Reply Doug Bailey wrote: > I recently bought both Surfacing and Harbinger. Conventional Wisdom > has it that Surfacing is Sarah's "worst" CD. First off, I don't want to see this become a drawn-out thread about Sarah McLachlan. Discussions about Sarah and her new CD should really be held over on FTE, not Harbinger. There seem to be *plenty* of people at FTE who want to talk about it. So, I'll just say that I don't love Surfacing, but Touch definitely qualifies as the least impressive of Sarah's work to date. > How is that relevant? You read my mind. :) > Well, I absolutely love This Fire, while Harbinger has made a less > solid impression on me. How long have you owned Harbinger? And how often do you listen to it? Harbinger is a really great album, but I think it would be difficult to appreciate it properly if it's being compared to This Fire. Those albums are coming from two very different times in Paula's life journey. As such, I don't know that they necessarily *should* be compared to one another, but (as is true with any artist) should be allowed to stand on their own as separate pieces of art. > In my never-to-be-humble opinion (forgive me, Dr. Laura), Surfacing is > a better CD than Harbinger. What do you guys think? Apples and oranges, in my opinion. Surfacing is being written several years into Sarah's musical career. Harbinger was Paula's first outing. Seems unfair (and pretty much irrelevant) to compare the two works. > Another comparison I'd like to make is This Fire with either Solace or > Touch. I love TF so much that I think it's better than either of Sarah's > first two CDs. I agree. > Solace never made much of an impression on me, Me, either. > and Touch, well, it's wonderful, but TF beats it out by a few hairs. More than a few hairs. I think I've had that CD in my CD player maybe five times in all the years I've owned it. Ben's Song and Steaming are probably the only two songs from that album that I've ever really liked. I can't name a song on This Fire that I don't love. > (I really dislike Harbinger's graphics, illustrations, and general color > scheme, though. B/W, YUCK!) From what I understand, Paula was never terribly pleased with the outcome of that CD liner, either. Remembering now why I never have liked lunchtime polls.... Kenn - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:28:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Povie Subject: Re: (harbinger) McLachlan vs. Cole: POLL So what the hell does cd packaging have to do with a recording's quality? - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 97 14:43:29 -0500 From: Louis DiCerbo Subject: (harbinger) "I Don't Want to Wait" Video When I stated that the "I Don't Want to Wait" video didn't seem to fit the song's lyrics, I really meant that the video seemed at odds with the "mood" of the song, which is impassioned and idealistic (it's almost an anthem) while the video appears to be more impressionistic. The "Cowboys" video, despite avoiding a literal interpretation, seemed to better convey the mood of that song. Still, I really admire the quality and imagination of the "IDWTW" video. - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:26:02 -0500 From: "dbailey@ro.com" Subject: Re: (harbinger) McLachlan vs. Cole: POLL -Reply Kenn Carpenter wrote: > How long have you owned Harbinger? And how often do you listen to > it? Harbinger is a really great album, but I think it would be difficult to > appreciate it properly if it's being compared to This Fire. Those albums > are coming from two very different times in Paula's life journey. As > such, I don't know that they necessarily *should* be compared to one > another, but (as is true with any artist) should be allowed to stand on > their own as separate pieces of art. I've owned Harbinger only a few weeks longer than Surfacing. I've listened to it quite often. I love many songs on it; Bethlehem is great, and knowing what it means (and that it exists in the first place) gives the reference in Tiger MUCH more meaning and significance. I think Saturn Girl rocks, in a way that nothing on TF does, even Throwing Stones. And I think Happy Home is quite like Me, Road to Dead, and Neitche's Eyes (three songs I can't stop associating with each other in terms of mood and introspectiveness). Happy Home makes that a foursome. Frankly, I don't think where an album was coming from or what an artist was striving for is relevant to what I'm talking about. A piece of music is inherently subjectable to objective criticism, regardless of who wrote or performed it, or why. Is it a good piece of music? Does it show a degree of musicianship? If so, how much? Which shows more skill in crafting? This is a different question from "which do you like more." For that matter, people like what they like, and someone's appreciation or lack of such doesn't reflect upon the quality of the music. It merely demonstrates their particular tastes. > > In my never-to-be-humble opinion (forgive me, Dr. Laura), Surfacing is > > a better CD than Harbinger. What do you guys think? > > Apples and oranges, in my opinion. Surfacing is being written several > years into Sarah's musical career. Harbinger was Paula's first outing. > Seems unfair (and pretty much irrelevant) to compare the two works. Opinions are all we have, truth be known. Surfacing does more for me than Harbinger ever will. Others probably have a different opinion. I'm just curious as to what those opinions are. > I can't name a song on This Fire that I don't love. CARMEN. I'd be just as happy if that song had been left on the cutting room floor. Absolute waste of my time. :( > > (I really dislike Harbinger's graphics, illustrations, and general color > > scheme, though. B/W, YUCK!) > > >From what I understand, Paula was never terribly pleased with the > outcome of that CD liner, either. Ah, I didn't know this. Chris wrote: > So what the hell does cd packaging have to do with a recording's quality? Nothing. It has everything to do, however, with the overall experience of the CD as a piece of art. Otherwise why bother investing money sprucing up the packaging at all? Why not just ship it in clear plastic, with the CD label printed in Courier font on a plain white label? Doug dbailey@ro.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 16:57:19 -0500 From: Rich Ahrens Subject: Re: (harbinger) McLachlan vs. Cole: POLL -Reply dbailey@ro.com wrote: > Kenn Carpenter wrote: > > I can't name a song on This Fire that I don't love. > CARMEN. I'd be just as happy if that song had been left on the cutting > room floor. I'd have been happy if "Hush, Hush, Hush" had spent more time in the cutting room. I usually hit the skip button on it. If not immediately, then definitely when Peter Gabriel comes in. It's just not a coherent piece of work to me - that section seems jammed into place, out of sync with the rest. Not that the rest of the song is a high point of the CD fo rme either. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Rich Ahrens | Homepage: http://www.visi.com/~rma/ | |rma@visi.com |-----------------------------------------------| |"In a world full of people only some want to fly - isn't that crazy?" | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:19:30 -0500 From: "Kristine E. Boeke" Subject: Re: (harbinger) McLachlan vs. Cole: POLL -Reply >> I can't name a song on This Fire that I don't love. > >CARMEN. I'd be just as happy if that song had been left on the cutting >room floor. Absolute waste of my time. :( Hey, I happen to love that song CARMEN. It's one of my favorites. But as you pointed out, it's all a matter of personal taste. I always wonder how much artists consider the tastes of their consumers when writing and choosing songs. Perhaps sometimes they write songs just because THEY like them and enjoy them--and don't necessarily consider marketability (how novel). However, I think CARMEN has been a marketable song for many, esp women. I think one person mentioned on this list that Paula said it was "a song of sisterhood," whatever that means. I've wondered what that does mean. What do other people think? Anyhow, to each his own ... Kristine - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:17:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Detour97@aol.com Subject: Re: (harbinger) Fave Paula Song -Reply Where is the song, "Last Novemember" from and is it still available? - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 00:51:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Subject: (harbinger) Some notes on Surfacing, Sarah's web site, and lyrics... (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 18:00:03 -0700 From: Nettwerk Productions To: "Recipient.List.Suppressed": ; Subject: Some notes on Surfacing, Sarah's web site, and lyrics... Hello everyone... Ah, Friday. For the anticipation of the weekend, it has to be one of the most excellent days of the week. Well, as long as you don't work in the service industry. Memories of working in a sandwich shop on Saturday's and missing cartoons are still traumatic.... Well, first off I wanted to say that up here in Vancouver our offices will be closed Monday for B.C. Day. Yup. Since we don't have statutory holidays for Gord Downie or William Shatner's respective birthdays, our provinces get a day off. Sweet, eh? Actually, we may get one soon for the salmon. I'll keep ya posted. :/ I wanted to inform everyone of some changes to the Sarah web site, as well as a few other things. For those of you who don't know, we have a new contest on the site that can win you some cool prizes. Sarah stuff, of course. You'll also notice the discography now has some audio clips of Sarah talking about her albums, old and new. These are actually sound clips that came off of the enhanced portion of the disc, so take a look and have a listen. Speaking of the enhanced portion of the disc (either the regular edition of Surfacing or the special version), we've been hearing from some people that they've been having a little trouble running the multimedia. Well, the best option in this instance is to check out the Nettmedia web site for tech support. There's all kinds of info there that'll help you out. The site is at http://www.nettmedia.com We can also offer to send you our updated Enhanced FAQ to help you out as it has all kinds of trouble-shooting info as well. Email me if you need it, but check out the Nettmedia site first as your best option for info. Some of you have been emailing me inquiring about the lyrics to Sarah's new album, and why they weren't included, or where to get them. Unfortunately, I am unable to email them to anyone due to publishing concerns at this point. Sorry, but that's just the situation as it stands right now. It was actually Sarah's choice to not include lyrics, simply because these are songs to be heard, and not poems (though poetic!) to be read. The tradition and history of song has dictated this for a long period of time, if you think about it. We enjoy the embrace of music through what we hear, not what we read. Until records were being made, the tradition of songs was more often to learn the words from another singer, so as to carry on the tradition. If you always had the words written out, then you would not be using the capabilities of your mind to remember them, but would instead make reference to a sheet of paper on which they were written and which could easily get lost. You would thus make it possible to lose that song by succumbing to modern means of having them on paper, and not to the strength of your memory. And don't most people at this point know Sarah's songs by heart? And if not, don't they find a way to learn them, anyway? Through listening at a concert or on the radio or on their stereo. Fans don't read the lyrics to her songs while sitting in their seats at a concert where Sarah is most often seen and heard, do they? Also, keep in mind that when fans of music (especially Sarah's) read the words to songs, they tend to delve deeper into their meaning than the artist originally intended, despite the fact they are plainly written there for all to see. While some of the songs can delve into a deeper complexity, others should be taken in the exact context in which they were written. Just my 2 cents here.... But, as some of you may have discovered, the lyrics to the album are hidden in various locations on Sarah's web site. For those of you who have let your mouse pass by some quality pieces of cheese, let me give you a hint when you check out the site next time: look for lyric quotes. If you click on them, they'll take you to the full lyrics of a specific song. If you keep investigating, you'll find them, believe me. One more thing before I forget; our Mailorder Dpt. still has a few copies of the 'limited edition' version of Surfacing available. So contact them if you'd like a copy. OK. The end of the day is pretty much here, and I need to organize my weekend....pass me that TV Guide! I gotta schedule my cartoon viewing and make some sandwiches!! have a great weekend everyone! - -- info@nettwerk.com ArmandS http://www.nettwerk.com \ Nettwerk Productions / {N} \ Nettwerk Productions / Sarah McLachlan's new album, SURFACING now available! Email our Mailorder Dpt. at: mail.orders@nettwerk.com http://www.sarahmclachlan.com - Nettwerk's official Sarah web site with tour and fanclub info, bios, discographies, a photo gallery and more!!! - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ End of harbinger-digest V2 #26 ******************************