From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V3 #103 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Saturday, May 15 1999 Volume 03 : Number 103 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: straight [Larry Davis ] Re: hey people... [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: straight [kamikaze kismet ] RE: straight ["Rainbow Bright" ] RE: straight [Larry Davis ] Re: straight [KrodKnid@aol.com] straight ["Gary Faligowski" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:29:28 -0400 From: Larry Davis Subject: RE: straight OK, here's my 2 cents. It's not good to be homophobic, because if you are, it shows how closed-minded you really are!! Me, I'm a straight guy, and some of my best friends are gay. Now, being gay, or straight for that matter, is NOT a choice!! It's been scientifically PROVEN that you are BORN gay!!! It's not genetic, but a chemical imbalance in your brain. It HAS to be that you're born gay. Otherwise, how would you explain kids knowing they're gay when they're 5 years old?? How else would you explain that you can tell certain people are gay by their looks, by their natural mannerisms + tone of voice?? Those are not choices, but the makeup of who they really are!! How about gay people having what you would call "gay-dar", where they could sense which people are gay from the get-go?? This whole attitude of it being a choice is BULLSHIT because it HAS been proven otherwise!! And, the whole church's beliefs are totally bogus too!! I mean, gay teenagers commit suicide every day!! WHY?? Homophobic attitudes, and their elders + the fuckin chrch's backwards attitude, and NOT totally embracing the fact that they were born that way, and that you CAN'T CHANGE it!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:13:34 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: hey people... In a message dated 5/13/99 11:23:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, xoxojane@angelfire.com writes: << LoL! I was thinking of a tabloid I saw the other day: 'A chihuahua falls 13 stories and kills two people.' Anyway....I just thought it was extremely funny. >> Hahahahahaha................"Yo quiero Taco Bell...............y matar a dos personas!!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: kamikaze kismet Subject: Re: straight i don't hate straight people because they're homophobic. that's not true, not all straight people are homophobic. i hate most people, regardless of their sexual orientation, simply because i believe that human nature is cruel and wicked and such. sorry for the mix-up. and i agree, let's get off this topic. ~sarah!! - --- DaliAdore@aol.com wrote: > > << people wouldn't like me > very much if i said i hated all straight people. i > don't hate ALL of them...just most. and i > certainly > don't hate them BECAUSE they're straight. >> > > i forgot to address this point here.... i find it > rather hypocritical for one > to say "i hate most straight people" while preaching > open-mindedness and love > for those of the male to male persuasion... and > concerning the latter > statement, then i can easily retort by saying I > don't hate gay people because > they're gay.... ack... hate really is a strong > word... i really DON'T hate > gay people... i just don't have a predeliction > towards them... whihc is the > real honest truth... i'm just being an asshole right > now to make a point.... > but anyway... but really why else would i not have a > predeliction towards gay > people?? other than the fact that they're gay and > have certain > "stereotypical" tendencies.... and as you are > saying, i'm sure you don't like > straight people for their certain stereotypical > tendencies such AS narrow > mindedness and intolerance and homophobia... so i > dont' understand why it is > ok for you to dislike and not ok for US to > dislike.... seriously... i find a > problem with that > > drew > === *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** http://dinette.org/sarah *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** journal.poetry.zine.weird quotes. jokes.languagelessons.rants.sarcasm pessimism.anti-bible.HTMLhelp.more [something for you] ::[witchmag]:: _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:20:31 PDT From: "Rainbow Bright" Subject: RE: straight >some of my best friends are gay. sorry, but that is SUCH a stereotypical statement...if you said "some of my best friends are black" people would laugh you out of the room. >being gay, or straight for that matter, is NOT a choice!! ok, but thats not the point. the state of being gay may not be a choice, but participating in homosexual behavior IS. i happen to be bi, but i also believe that homosexual behavior is wrong (yes, i believe in absolutes! shoot me!) and that i dont have to indulge in it or let it rule my life. if anyone out there happens to belong to a God centered religion, its stated indisputably that such behavior is unnatural and wrong. now, i'll let you have your beliefs and i'll have mine, so dont hate me for being different here. i think thats what this whole debate is really about, so please dont make me conform to _your_ personal views. and by the way, i think it was established long ago that there is no crime against discussing things other then Rasputina on this list. if you dont want to read about it, look at the subject heading. we're all intelligent people here, so no more bitching about getting off-subject, ok? ~~Lori _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:49:43 -0400 From: Larry Davis Subject: RE: straight It may be stereotypical, but it IS true!! And yes, that IS the point!! Everybody has sex, which is NOT wrong, it's only natural. Now, what right do you have to say that gay people can't have sex with other gay people because it's WRONG??!!?? THAT's exactly the type of attitude you get from the backwards church, and EXACTLY why gay people kill themselves!! You're saying that a straight person like myself having sex with a woman is OK, while gay people having sex with their own kind is wrong. That doesn't make sense. Gay people have EVERY right to have sex with other gay people, as they need to be satisfied too!! It's only human!! Basically, what you're saying is that sex/making love is wrong, but sex is human nature, and everybody has it, whether you like it or not!! Another thing, all God-centered religions are BOGUS, they were created by man way back when as some sort of mind control. These so-called religions saying gay sex/pre-marital sex is wrong is TOTALLY uncalled for!! They have NO FUCKING RIGHT to deny people the pleasure of making love/having sex (safe sex I might add) without feeling guilty about it!! It's all human nature!! Fuck them!! Ok, Rasputina rules. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:41:57 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: straight In a message dated 5/14/99 3:01:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sullen_girl_2@yahoo.com writes: << i don't hate straight people because they're homophobic. that's not true, not all straight people are homophobic. i hate most people, regardless of their sexual orientation, simply because i believe that human nature is cruel and wicked and such. sorry for the mix-up. and i agree, let's get off this topic. >> It is really funny,but during the 40s and 50s "straight" referred to people who used drugs..........."getting straight" meant being turned on to drugs for the first time and/or just getting loaded.Normal people were considered "lame" or "citizens" or "square" as opposed to straight.Sometime in the 60s the term straight began to be applied to lame people(as in walking the straight path)and druggies no longer used it to refer to themselves...............it had done a complete 180 degree reversal in meaning.Then the gays started using it to describe heteros.All these things considered,it is clear that there are straight gay people as well:-)It would also seem that homosexuals are straight about their nature and that heteros have some queer notions about gays.Hehehehe...........just having a little fun before the subject is dropped. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:39:30 -0400 From: "Gary Faligowski" Subject: straight Thank you! someone else that actually DOESN'T agree to using the term "gay" to describe inadimate objects and ppl they dont like. since when is being gay a bad thing anyway, it isn't. i've heard too many ppl give me excuses for using it "oh, i'm just so used to saying it", "it isn't hurting anyone", "well i'm bi so it's ok if i say it".....etc......i, like you, have told countless numbers of ppl to please just say something else. what really pisses me off is when ppl call ppl "fags", then i get real mad.anyway, just had to let you know that someone else out there feels the same. forever, cheryl psychobeing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: steve Subject: straight My biggest pet peeve is when people use the word GAY to substitute for "stupid" or "lame" or anything like that. In the 80s/early 90s it was "ew that's RETARDED" (which i also hate) and now its "ew, that's GAY!" it is like soooo embedded in our culture it's sickening. a day doesnt pass by where i dont hear the word GAY used negatively at least 5 times. SOOO...instead of bitching at people whenever they do it (This has resulted in MANY verbal battles) when my friends and i see/hear something really annoying or lame we go "EW, straight" or "oh my god, that is SO freakin straight" Sorry to offend any of you BREEDERS on the list;) hehehe steve ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V3 #103 ***************************