From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V3 #102 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Friday, May 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 102 Today's Subjects: ----------------- straight [steve ] Re: hey people... [KrodKnid@aol.com] (o:` [LeechCraft@aol.com] Re: (o:` (NRC) ["Rainbow Bright" ] SSHHHHH. ["Grandville Gerard" ] Re: lovely little boyz [Carmilla ] Re: speaking of lovely little gay boys....(gay bashing MUST stop) [Carmil] Re: hey people... ["xoxo jane" ] Re: (o:` ["xoxo jane" ] Re: SSHHHHH. ["xoxo jane" ] Re: (o:` [Carmilla ] Re: straight [DaliAdore@aol.com] Re: straight [kamikaze kismet ] Re: straight [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: (o:` ["xoxo jane" ] Re: (o:` [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: straight [DaliAdore@aol.com] Re: straight [DaliAdore@aol.com] Re: straight [OneirosV@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: steve Subject: straight My biggest pet peeve is when people use the word GAY to substitute for "stupid" or "lame" or anything like that. In the 80s/early 90s it was "ew that's RETARDED" (which i also hate) and now its "ew, that's GAY!" it is like soooo embedded in our culture it's sickening. a day doesnt pass by where i dont hear the word GAY used negatively at least 5 times. SOOO...instead of bitching at people whenever they do it (This has resulted in MANY verbal battles) when my friends and i see/hear something really annoying or lame we go "EW, straight" or "oh my god, that is SO freakin straight" Sorry to offend any of you BREEDERS on the list;) hehehe steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:20:37 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: hey people... In a message dated 5/12/99 10:23:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, xoxojane@angelfire.com writes: << He's gay? I thought he had a wife. ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ >> This is really funny.It is how weird rumors get started.Nobody ever said he was gay..............some poster misconstrued what someone else had said and now CO'B is gay!!Hehehehe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:05:58 EDT From: LeechCraft@aol.com Subject: (o:` i find all of this gay talk to be funny... i feel i should give the queer view on these issues.... yes there are alot of hot gay guys...... but there are also alot of ugly ones < like myself> ... Lori conan is not gay........LOL! i still have that picture of us by the way.... hehehehe UP WITH CELLOS! - -tom- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:58:43 PDT From: "Rainbow Bright" Subject: Re: (o:` (NRC) >but there are also alot of ugly ones < like myself> to all goths: have any of you ever heard of a group called Blackgirls? they are late 80's/early 90's and very cool and gothic, like rasputina...there's this awesome violin part that i bet you all would enjoy. look for the album Procedure. also, i just discovered the Cocteau Twins this weekend...i have a wealth of new good music! when do we get a new Raspy cd?!?! dont mind my impatience.... to tom only: tom dear, you are not ugly at all...in fact if you weren't gay, i might just come on to you...hehehe really honey, you're cute. =) >.... Lori conan is not gay........LOL! right, i just misunderstood someone's post. i dont know these things! i'm out of it! >i still have that picture of us by the way.... hehehehe (yeah, that concert was fun, huh? i was down at your work the other day...i never see you there! oh well.) hugs all! ~~Lori ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!!~!~!~!~!~! "Television is a medium because it is neither rare nor well done." ~~Ernie Kovacs IM: Rasputeena _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:10:32 PDT From: "Grandville Gerard" Subject: SSHHHHH. STOP FIGHTING A discussion about he said/she said blah blah that turns into a fight about contemporary social conflicts or WHATEVER isn't going to change anyone's views about them on a damn Rasputina mailing list so how about we all grow up hm?? --Grandville _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:02:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Carmilla Subject: Re: lovely little boyz - --- ImAZeroSP@aol.com wrote: > hello my beautiful little Raspy-gothies! > Why,hello there :) > well, i dont think Conan OBrien is gay. > my friend Slunk said Conan's got a girlie > friend...... > Ah..thanks for clearing that up. > i also really love Andy Dick too... > Ha!I *knew* I couldn't be the only one.. :) he's not gay, but many people think he is. > Ah,well,that's society for you..or some of it anyway... > when i get older, im gonna move on the north side of > chicago (boys town) in > WrigglyVille (North Belmont) into the gay neighbour > hood. i have lots of gay > pride, but im NOT attraceted to girly girls like me. > not that it matters.. i > already have some bi-sexual and bi-curious guy > friends.. and i just found out > that this one dude i used to go to school with is > gay. I think thats great. > > sending a heart to all my dearies.... > (my heart still is Billy Corgan's) > cara > ------------------------ > ImA ZeroSP: is conan obrein gay>? > Slunk9791: no... hes got a gf > ImA ZeroSP: yeah.. thats what i thought.. but > everyone on the raspy list > is saying he is... > Slunk9791: hes not... he acts it cause it's funny > Slunk9791: it makes this funny like.... sexual > tension between him an > andy (who's married) > Slunk9791: to a woman too > === I gave you my music,made your song take wing..and now ,how you've repaid me...denied me and betrayed me...He was bound to love you when he heard you sing....You will curse the day you did not do all that the Phantom asked of you! ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~ IM:Wyldrose3;ICQ#: 37458937 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carmilla Subject: Re: speaking of lovely little gay boys....(gay bashing MUST stop) cara,darling,you're not alone...everyday I deal with that crap-I'm sure lots of us do-and I'm justabout ready to seriously yell at someone for it.Don't get me wroing,I"ve tried the reasonable approach,I"ve been nice,I've been tactful....it ain't working.New strategy. :) - --- ImAZeroSP@aol.com wrote: > IF I HAVE TO TELL ONE MORE IMMATURE LOSER FROM MY > SCHOOL TO STOP > USING HOMOSEXUAL SLURRS I THINK IM GOING TO GET A > BLACK TRENCHCOAT AND A > BUNCH OF BOMBS AND KILL EVERYONE!!!! > heehee.... well, im at least gonna yell a whole lot. > > Everyday i have to say "Dont use homosexual slurrs" > to like, EVERYONE. > > calling someone a "fag" or saying that tests are > "gay" is BOGUS AND UNCALLED > FOR. > its the same thing as calling an Irish person a > "mick" or an italian a "dego" > or a white person a "honkey"... its NOT RIGHT. > > i corrected someone today for saying "you queer" and > they said "how come i > cant say it if GAY people say it?? whats the > difference??" > and i said "does that mean some white person can > call an african-american a > N***er just because its used in rap lyrics??" > > THIS ISNT RIGHT.. PEOPLE HEAR NEW "exciting" funny > words and they think they > can use them.... > i love asian people... i have such an attraction to > Japanese/Chinese/korean/etc.. guys.. if i hear one > person say "James Iha's > that chink in the pumpkins, right?" IM GONNA KILL > THEM. its not right... > racism and gay-bashing and hate crimes is > UNNACEPTABLE... its not fair. my > friend kieth, who's white (the same one who got my > account TOSED on aol) > keeps saying the word "Honkey", which is a word he > just learned... he keeps > saying that to me and he thinks i shouldnt get mad > because hes saying it and > hes white, and so am i... so i shouldnt be offended > by it. > > DO PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE KEWL WHEN THEY USE RACIAL > SLURS AND USE THE WORDS > "gay, fag, homo" for INSULTS?? > > ITS REDICULOUS!! > please, if you were offended by any of the words i > used, please dont report > me, because i am meerly quoting others, more or > less. I AM AGAINST racism and > gay-bashing. > > we need to spread the word: "DONT USE HOMOSEXUAL > SLURRS" > The more people who hear it will make less people > who do it. > > desperate and DISPLEASED, > cara > 0------------------0to my mistakes, to my mistakes > of cowardice > she shimmy shakes, the jimmy jakes of consequence > born of the airs and dues, > my airs of madness > do declare > that it's ok, its love > it's what you wanted to see, > it's who you wanted to be > for what you needed to need, she'll make it up > love, love, it's who you know > love, love, it's who you know > love, love, it's who you know > love, love > machine gun blues, her vacant rush is so steel > I'm unaware, lost inside your visions > I got mine too over, I got mine and I got you > cause I know you, you're love > it's what you wanted to see, > it's who you wanted to be > for what you needed to need, she'll make it up > love, love it's who you know > love, love, it's who you know > love, love, it's who you know > love, love > when i lost my mind > i knew i was in for life, now > can I look up to you as you look down on me > can I feel into you as you felt into me > I can't help what you see, I can't help but to be > for what I needed to need, she'll make it > love, love it's who you know > love, love, it's who you know > love, love, it's who you know > love, love, it's who you know > love, love, it's who you know > love, love > love solves everything > love > 'smashingpumpkins > love' > === I gave you my music,made your song take wing..and now ,how you've repaid me...denied me and betrayed me...He was bound to love you when he heard you sing....You will curse the day you did not do all that the Phantom asked of you! ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~ IM:Wyldrose3;ICQ#: 37458937 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:11:48 -0700 From: "xoxo jane" Subject: Re: hey people... KrodKnid: >>>>>This is really funny.It is how weird rumors get started.Nobody ever said he was gay..............some poster misconstrued what someone else had said and now CO'B is gay!!Hehehehe.<<<<< Jane (XOXO): That's what i was thinking. Now i said he has a wife, which i don't know is true at all.....he heh. Ok, anyway, that is kind of funny. ~lithia - --- ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ "Don't drink the lithia water," -Moonit http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/XOXOJANE A Rasputina fansite. ALL THE KIDS LOVE CELLO ROCK *There has never been a better time for Neo-Chamber Grunge.* ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:15:28 -0700 From: "xoxo jane" Subject: Re: (o:` >>CELLOS!<< I'm sorry I know this is extrememly unimportant, but I felt that since we are all fans of Rasputina and into the cello thing, we should all be educated on the fact that the plural for 'cello' is 'celli'. That is all, ~lithia - --- ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ "Don't drink the lithia water," -Moonit http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/XOXOJANE A Rasputina fansite. ALL THE KIDS LOVE CELLO ROCK *There has never been a better time for Neo-Chamber Grunge.* ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:17:39 -0700 From: "xoxo jane" Subject: Re: SSHHHHH. - --- I have no idea about what fight you're talking about. ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ "Don't drink the lithia water," -Moonit http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/XOXOJANE A Rasputina fansite. ALL THE KIDS LOVE CELLO ROCK *There has never been a better time for Neo-Chamber Grunge.* ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ On Thu, 13 May 1999 15:10:32 Grandville Gerard wrote: >STOP FIGHTING > >A discussion about he said/she said blah blah that turns into a fight about >contemporary social conflicts or WHATEVER isn't going to change anyone's >views about them on a damn Rasputina mailing list so how about we all grow >up hm?? > > --Grandville > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:07:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Carmilla Subject: Re: (o:` "celli" !? Are you serious?..Well,how pretentious does that look.. :) I feel I should've knwon that...oh,well,thanks for the info,Lithia :) (and/or Jane..whichever you prefer to go by:) - --- xoxo jane wrote: > >>CELLOS!<< > > I'm sorry I know this is extrememly unimportant, but > I felt that since we are all fans of Rasputina and > into the cello thing, we should all be educated on > the fact that the plural for 'cello' is 'celli'. > That is all, > ~lithia > --- > ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ > "Don't drink the lithia water," > -Moonit > http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/XOXOJANE > A Rasputina fansite. > ALL THE KIDS LOVE CELLO ROCK > *There has never been a better time for > Neo-Chamber Grunge.* > ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ > > > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. > http://www.angelfire.com > === I gave you my music,made your song take wing..and now ,how you've repaid me...denied me and betrayed me...He was bound to love you when he heard you sing....You will curse the day you did not do all that the Phantom asked of you! ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~ IM:Wyldrose3;ICQ#: 37458937 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:06:57 EDT From: DaliAdore@aol.com Subject: Re: straight what's wrong with being homophobic?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: kamikaze kismet Subject: Re: straight i dunno, what's wrong with being racist? or sexist? or ageist? EVERYTHING. everything is wrong with it. people wouldn't like me very much if i said i hated all straight people. i don't hate ALL of them...just most. and i certainly don't hate them BECAUSE they're straight. judging someone on who they are attracted to is as stupid as judging someone based on how much melanin is in their skin. ~sarah!! - --- DaliAdore@aol.com wrote: > what's wrong with being homophobic?? > === *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** http://dinette.org/sarah *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** journal.poetry.zine.weird quotes. jokes.languagelessons.rants.sarcasm pessimism.anti-bible.HTMLhelp.more [something for you] ::[witchmag]:: _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:44:46 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: straight In a message dated 5/13/99 9:28:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sullen_girl_2@yahoo.com writes: << everything is wrong with it. people wouldn't like me very much if i said i hated all straight people. i don't hate ALL of them...just most. and i certainly don't hate them BECAUSE they're straight. judging someone on who they are attracted to is as stupid as judging someone based on how much melanin is in their skin. ~sarah!! --- DaliAdore@aol.com wrote: > what's wrong with being homophobic?? >> Like all phobias,homophobia is a fear based mechanism.Fear sucks where judgement is concerned................unless you are about to be gobbled by a tyrannosaur or something.Fear keeps you from making a righteous assessment of a person or situation.Fear is the enemy of understanding.BTW,Sarah,I'm straight...........so hate me nice please:-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:24:22 -0700 From: "xoxo jane" Subject: Re: (o:` - --- I think KrodKnid has a good way of explaining the whole 'celli' thing (along with concerti etc.) ;p ~lithia (don't worry about the jane/lithia thing...i normally go by lithia on the net.) ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ "Don't drink the lithia water," -Moonit http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/XOXOJANE A Rasputina fansite. ALL THE KIDS LOVE CELLO ROCK *There has never been a better time for Neo-Chamber Grunge.* ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ On Thu, 13 May 1999 17:07:00 Carmilla wrote: >"celli" !? Are you serious?..Well,how pretentious does >that look.. :) I feel I should've knwon >that...oh,well,thanks for the info,Lithia :) (and/or >Jane..whichever you prefer to go by:) > >--- xoxo jane wrote: >> >>CELLOS!<< >> >> I'm sorry I know this is extrememly unimportant, but >> I felt that since we are all fans of Rasputina and >> into the cello thing, we should all be educated on >> the fact that the plural for 'cello' is 'celli'. >> That is all, >> ~lithia >> --- >> ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ >> "Don't drink the lithia water," >> -Moonit >> http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/XOXOJANE >> A Rasputina fansite. >> ALL THE KIDS LOVE CELLO ROCK >> *There has never been a better time for >> Neo-Chamber Grunge.* >> ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ >> >> >> >> >> >> Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. >> http://www.angelfire.com >> > >=== >I gave you my music,made your song take wing..and now ,how you've repaid me...denied me and betrayed me...He was bound to love you when he heard you sing....You will curse the day you did not do all that the Phantom asked of you! >~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~ >IM:Wyldrose3;ICQ#: 37458937 >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:49:11 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: (o:` In a message dated 5/13/99 10:47:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Krod Knid writes: << I think KrodKnid has a good way of explaining the whole 'celli' thing (along with concerti etc.) ;p >> Classical snobs would insist on the "i" ending of course:-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:00:01 EDT From: DaliAdore@aol.com Subject: Re: straight i dunno, what's wrong with being racist? or sexist? or ageist? EVERYTHING. everything is wrong with it. people wouldn't like me very much if i said i hated all straight people. i don't hate ALL of them...just most. and i certainly don't hate them BECAUSE they're straight. judging someone on who they are attracted to is as stupid as judging someone based on how much melanin is in their skin. >> i beg to differ... of course my reasoning comes from the fact that i believe being homosexual is a choice... and not biologically inherited (as in the genetic makeup of a person) therefore it is NOT the same as being a racist or a sexist because melanin IS genetically inherited and one doesnt' choose to be black or white or yellow or whatever... therefore, i think that staying away from "gay" people is similar to staying away from somebody with say "violent" behavior or whatnot.... basically, what i'm saying is i'm condemning the behavior, not the actual person....so as the catholic church says, "being gay isn't a sin, but performing gay acts is" but seriously, how many gay guys don't do the anal action? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:08:29 EDT From: DaliAdore@aol.com Subject: Re: straight << people wouldn't like me very much if i said i hated all straight people. i don't hate ALL of them...just most. and i certainly don't hate them BECAUSE they're straight. >> i forgot to address this point here.... i find it rather hypocritical for one to say "i hate most straight people" while preaching open-mindedness and love for those of the male to male persuasion... and concerning the latter statement, then i can easily retort by saying I don't hate gay people because they're gay.... ack... hate really is a strong word... i really DON'T hate gay people... i just don't have a predeliction towards them... whihc is the real honest truth... i'm just being an asshole right now to make a point.... but anyway... but really why else would i not have a predeliction towards gay people?? other than the fact that they're gay and have certain "stereotypical" tendencies.... and as you are saying, i'm sure you don't like straight people for their certain stereotypical tendencies such AS narrow mindedness and intolerance and homophobia... so i dont' understand why it is ok for you to dislike and not ok for US to dislike.... seriously... i find a problem with that drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:31:16 EDT From: OneirosV@aol.com Subject: Re: straight I've got to say something... I've been biting my tongue for so long now, but... Shut the hell up already.. I'm not gonna sit and listen to discussions on homophobia and racism on a goddamned music list. This is about Rasputina, not things as serious and life-shattering as homophobia and racism. If i wanted to deal with that, id go live in the real world, not sit at my computer hoping people will talk politely about one of my favorite bands.. I deal with homophobia and racism all the time, and i sit in MY house with MY computer to get away from all that bullshit. Get over it... we know homophobia is wrong.. we know racism is wrong. If any one of you doesn't know that, then i have the right to tell you to shut the hell up and go away... This is the last i'll say about it, but please, take what i've said to heart... have a nice day. ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V3 #102 ***************************