From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V3 #87 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Thursday, April 29 1999 Volume 03 : Number 087 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: purple ribbon [Anitra33@aol.com] Web pages [Heather Loresch ] do i care? [tim ] Re: The history of "GOTHIC" (non Rasp.) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: do i care? [just a pretty little princess ] Re: do i care? [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: do i care? [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: do i care? [Carmilla ] Re: do i care? [Kim Hatton ] Re: goths-digest V3 #84 [michele s hardeman ] jaqueline du pre [Eva ] silver ribbon? [ImAZeroSP@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:42:14 EDT From: Anitra33@aol.com Subject: Re: purple ribbon In a message dated 99-04-28 06:29:53 EDT, darcy@bluemarble.net writes: << i saw a bumper sticker against domestic violence and it had a purple ribbon on it. so... i gather that they claimed it. is there a color that is not taken though? it seems as if everyone has a ribbon and no one keeps up on what color means what. >> puce probably isn't taken. seriously, though, just as long as it's a definitive color of what our message is.. for example, safety-orange is probably inappropriate. every color has probably been taken already, so we may as well reuse one. Samantha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:00:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Loresch Subject: Web pages My web page isn't gothic, but feel free to check it our if you're interested. Right now it's just a travelogue and hasn't been worked on or finished in the past year, but this summer I will get more information up and even add a martial arts section hopefuly. http://rhf.bradley.edu/~rsncrntz - -Heather - -- "Telling the future by looking at the past assumes that conditions remain constant. This is like driving a car by looking in the rear view mirror." Herb Brody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:51:27 -0500 From: tim Subject: do i care? am i the only person who doesn't care about people shooting other people in Colorado. i don't care if they were goth or not. its all unimportant. it bothers me that so many people care. there are people getting killed all over the place. the US even has its own "trenchcoat mofia" killing people in other countries. is the US army goth? is NATO goth? i think everyone is caring about the wrong things. i'm more concerned with the fact that all life will be knocked off this planet if we don't change our attitudes about the earth and war. These 20 deaths in Colorado pale in the face of mass destruction and billions of deaths. o well etc.tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:21:43 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: The history of "GOTHIC" (non Rasp.) In a message dated 4/27/99 11:06:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anatresia@yahoo.com writes: << Do you have any theories as to how "goth" became a label for Goths today? I can't think of a better label- "death freaks" is one that my friends have been called, but it doesn't have the same ring. >> I remember hearing early "Death Metal" type music being referred to as "Gothic Rock"..............especially when the band so referred to was into wearing black clothing and were very pale:-)Even Led Zep was sometimes referred to as gothic,with their oftimes medieval themes.I am pretty sure the current use of the term came as a description of the "look" that was being adopted by the dark children rather than any specific musical style. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:57:58 -0500 (EST) From: just a pretty little princess Subject: Re: do i care? i second this, man. i do care about the shootings, because i, personally, don't think it's trivial. i think it's incredibly telling of the times - and i care if any innocent person is killed, even if it is *only* 15 of them. but, i think that the media and everyone is just reacting so much to it because it's in their own backyards, and it *could* happen to them... they're not worried about getting bombed, or massacred, or having sanctions put on everything making it almost impossible to live... this shooting effects them more because they're so fucking scared. thanks for saying your peice, tim. but, i think it's kind of scary that you "don't care" about these 15 lives... maybe you meant to phrase it differently? ciao, corinna * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "abstract art is cheating." - lexi* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.bluemarble.net/~cory cory@bluemarble.net On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, tim wrote: > am i the only person who doesn't care about people shooting other people > in Colorado. i don't care if they were goth or not. its all > unimportant. it bothers me that so many people care. there are people > getting killed all over the place. the US even has its own "trenchcoat > mofia" killing people in other countries. is the US army goth? is NATO > goth? i think everyone is caring about the wrong things. i'm more > concerned with the fact that all life will be knocked off this planet if > we don't change our attitudes about the earth and war. These 20 deaths > in Colorado pale in the face of mass destruction and billions of deaths. > > o well > etc.tim > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:09:06 -0700 (PDT) From: kamikaze kismet Subject: Re: do i care? THANK YOU! everyone is all, you're morbid, sarah, what do you think about the shootings? and i'm just like, why should i care? i didn't know anyone there. talking about it, or telling kids they're not allowed to be goth or wear trenchcoats, or yelling at me for being apathetic WILL NOT BRING THE DEAD KIDS BACK. they're dead. wow. people die EVERY DAY. my grandmother is dead. so is my grandfather. WOWEE. HOW SPECIAL. violent or not, death happens every second of every day, and feeling all sorry for them or starting a thread on a mailing list meant for music won't help. christ. ~sarah!! http://dinette.org/sarah - --- tim wrote: > am i the only person who doesn't care about people > shooting other people > in Colorado. i don't care if they were goth or not. > its all > unimportant. it bothers me that so many people > care. there are people > getting killed all over the place. the US even has > its own "trenchcoat > mofia" killing people in other countries. is the US > army goth? is NATO > goth? i think everyone is caring about the wrong > things. i'm more > concerned with the fact that all life will be > knocked off this planet if > we don't change our attitudes about the earth and > war. These 20 deaths > in Colorado pale in the face of mass destruction and > billions of deaths. > > o well > etc.tim > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:55:42 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: do i care? In a message dated 4/28/99 4:10:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sullen_girl_2@yahoo.com writes: << violent or not, death happens every second of every day, and feeling all sorry for them or starting a thread on a mailing list meant for music won't help. christ. >> I see you have lost none of your charm or brains since last we heard from you:-)Sounds like you have been getting a ration of shit since this latest incident in the decline of western civilization. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:43:36 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: do i care? In a message dated 4/28/99 5:05:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sullen_girl_2@yahoo.com writes: << are you on every freaking mailing list there is? :o) ~sarah!! >> No,just 2 you happen to be on:-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carmilla Subject: Re: do i care? - --- tim wrote: > am i the only person who doesn't care about people > shooting other people > in Colorado. No comment there.. i don't care if they were goth or not. > its all > unimportant. Yes,it rather is;it doens't matter what they were were ..the media may blame goths,or what they are calling goths,but *we* know it wasn't gioth-related..in the long run I think that's what matters.Who cares who blames and accuses you of being what,just shrug it off and never lose sight of who you are.....as for the shootings,I care more that people were shot than who they were shot by. it bothers me that so many people > care. bothers you that so many people care that everyone blames goths,or that anyone cares about the shooting at all? there are people > getting killed all over the place. And ain't that the truth.....the 2 thousand in Kosovo,not the mention the 2 *milion* Sudanese Christians that die every year that Clinton dind't even blink an eye at(grr...sorry,just a presonally upsetting sidenote)People die every day..but that doesn't mean we stop caring about those people,or stop caring that it happens.Those pepople have every right to our sympathy and help..but then,so does every other victim of random or organized violence,and you have to wonder at the futility of it all sometimes.... the US even has > its own "trenchcoat > mofia" killing people in other countries. Scary thougt,in some ways... is the US > army goth? is NATO > goth? No,one would tend to think not... i think everyone is caring about the wrong > things. You very well could be right there,Tim. i'm more > concerned with the fact that all life will be > knocked off this planet if > we don't change our attitudes about the earth and > war. Human nature is not a peacful one..I have no delusions of world peace and I think it will get much worse before it ever starts to get better... These 20 deaths > in Colorado pale in the face of mass destruction and > billions of deaths. Yes,they are...but isn't size relative here?Just because it was only 20 people doesn't make it any less tragic than had it been 200,at least in my eyes.Families are still grieving,a community is still torn apart,the feeling of safety is still rended,and what was left of trust in fellow man is shattered.True,it may not be on as large a scale as some violence,but it's still there and it's still horific. > > o well > etc.tim > ~*Carmilla -who has never posted this much here before and is sorry for being so verbose in her opinions :) === IM:wyldrose3,VxClaudiaV ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Say you'll share with me one love,one lifetime.Lead me,save me from my solitude.Say you want me with you,here beside you.Anywhere you go,let me go too.That's all I ask of you... ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Kim Hatton Subject: Re: do i care? << No,just 2 you happen to be on:-)>> i'm onevery mailing list there is :Pkim === "It does not matter how you hide, I'll find you if we want to" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:24:11 -0400 From: michele s hardeman Subject: Re: goths-digest V3 #84 Message text written by steve >that is the most surprising and unexpected tour matchup< well, i was going to say nauseating, repulsive, vile, ew but okay... m ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:36:01 -0700 From: Eva Subject: jaqueline du pre Hi again, Does anyone know the title of the book written about Jaqueline DuPres? (sp?) I'm going to see the movie soon and I'm interested in reading the book. Thanks, Eva ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:00:10 EDT From: ImAZeroSP@aol.com Subject: silver ribbon? has the silverribbon been taken yet? silver is more gothy anyway... to appear, to dissapear, cara ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V3 #87 **************************