From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V3 #82 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Sunday, April 25 1999 Volume 03 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- greetings and salutations.... [michele s hardeman ] Philly-goths... ["Danielle" ] Re: Justification? ["Dani.M" ] Re: Philly-goths... ["Dani.M" ] The situation in CO [Heather Loresch ] {the goths}.... unbleivable things in high schools.... [ImAZeroSP@aol.com] On the Subject: Protesting misrepresentation...write the media! [KiNsAnIt] colorado/solutions/individuality. ["Happy Voodoo" ] im sorry i keep writing to all you homocidal goths!! [ImAZeroSP@aol.com] Re: A long time ago.. shirt designs. ["xoxo jane" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:49:39 -0400 From: michele s hardeman Subject: greetings and salutations.... they had his quotes on the news, from the end, high school is hell and all that..no, shit. i forgot. ha, i like, all own two copies of heathers and stuff, it's like, so funny.... except dumptruck. she makes me sad....... ever seen sixteen candles? there's a girl with a back brace that everyone laughs at, but i had the same thing and i hate it when people laugh at her...it's like they're laughing at me all over again..... it's sunny. guess i won't wear my black coat. m ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 09:00:58 -0400 From: michele s hardeman Subject: thanx to ya all.... scapegoats (oldskool) actually, early rock and roll was not from satan, but a ploy by communists. m ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:35:44 -0400 From: MICAH WESTFALL Subject: RE: (NRC): goths blamed from CO shootings actually, no one said it was right but was just expressing empathy.... @/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@ On Friday, April 23, 1999 11:59 PM, TheitGrl@aol.com [SMTP:TheitGrl@aol.com] wrote: | In a message dated 99-04-22 12:33:31 EDT, jukejointjez@hotmail.com writes: | | << I totally agree with you. I was constantly teased in school also. These | kids don't see how bad they are really hurting each other. After all these | deaths maybe the popular kids of the world will see that their teasing comes | back to them. They not only hurt others but they hurt themselves as well. >> | | So, kids who tease other kids should be killed? It's not about popularity. | Popularity has always been around but people haven't felt the need to kill | others over it. Stop trying to act like a martyr for the loners of high | shcool. | karen | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:51:11 EDT From: NecroLove@aol.com Subject: Justification? I have a question about all this media covering the shooting. . . Why are they looking for a reason to justify why "two young boys" would go around shooting people? And they keep saying that it's so sad that "young teens and kids are using violence" these days. But, why do they not question adults going around shooting people? I live in Pensacola, Fl. Not sure if you guys have heard of it or not, but we constantly have protesters out in front of abortion clinics. And a while ago, some guy who was protesting, pulled out a gun and shot one of the doctor's that worked there and tried to shoot others that were around. Yet they don't ask "why" that guy was shooting people. He's an adult, you think he would have known better! And a Christian at that. So, are they saying an adult doesn't need a reason to go around shooting people? It just comes naturally to them. But a kid who has a gun, must be psycho, or he must be Satanic? And the whole thing about TV and music turning today's youth into weirdo's, is a bunch of bull. The only program on TV that could seriously do any harm to kids these days, is the News. Because, it *is* real. And they put so much focus on shootings, and crimes, they turn you into a star, in a way. And in that case, why not? Those kids probably never got any recognition for stuff that they did before, so why not go out in a way that's going to make everyone remember you, forever. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kim Hatton Subject: Re: Justification? i agree with you, but i do think that somekids kind of think that life is a video game that you can just push the reset button on if you mess up. unfortunateally there is no reset key in life. - -kim - --- NecroLove@aol.com wrote: > I have a question about all this media covering the > shooting. . . > Why are they looking for a reason to justify why > "two young boys" would go > around shooting people? And they keep saying that > it's so sad that "young > teens and kids are using violence" these days. But, > why do they not question > adults going around shooting people? I live in > Pensacola, Fl. Not sure if you > guys have heard of it or not, but we constantly have > protesters out in front > of abortion clinics. And a while ago, some guy who > was protesting, pulled out > a gun and shot one of the doctor's that worked there > and tried to shoot > others that were around. Yet they don't ask "why" > that guy was shooting > people. He's an adult, you think he would have known > better! And a Christian > at that. So, are they saying an adult doesn't need a > reason to go around > shooting people? It just comes naturally to them. > But a kid who has a gun, > must be psycho, or he must be Satanic? > And the whole thing about TV and music turning > today's youth into weirdo's, > is a bunch of bull. The only program on TV that > could seriously do any harm > to kids these days, is the News. Because, it *is* > real. And they put so much > focus on shootings, and crimes, they turn you into a > star, in a way. And in > that case, why not? Those kids probably never got > any recognition for stuff > that they did before, so why not go out in a way > that's going to make > everyone remember you, forever. > > === "It does not matter how you hide, I'll find you if we want to" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:28:53 -0700 From: "Danielle" Subject: Philly-goths... when i was trying to get info on the Switchblade Symphony show in philly i found out that Julia from Raspy will be playing with ANGELS OF LIGHT at the TLA in June sometime... anyone know anything about this?!?!? ...also any Goths going to Switchblade???... Love, Danielle~ - --------------------------------------- "Perfect little dream, the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels. Well, almost." - Trent http://www.angelfire.com/on/CorsetStrings - ----------------------------------------- Get your Free E-mail at http://corsetstrings.zzn.com ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:51:33 -0700 From: "Dani.M" Subject: Re: Justification? they question kids because they're younger. they hven't been exposed to all the horrible stuff in live, whereas adults have seen and experienced alot more. adults have the right to own a gun. adults may have learnt about bombs in a previous career. adulthood is more stressful. but when a sixteen year old makes sophistacated bombs, somehow gets guns and bullets, and devises a well thought out complex plan on how to kill his fellow schoolmates, of course people are going to question why. a teenager, who should be tackling hard algerbra homework, or playing video games, or spending time with friends and girlfriends, is instead killing people, and then killing himself. and media does influcence kids. i know how to make a simple bomb, i know how to rig household electronics to explode, i know of what medicine to use to make a lethal poision, and i know it all because of the internet, its influenced me. not that i'm planning on hurting anyone, but i know how to. its been proven that a mentally unstable mind is easily influenced, especially by graphic images seen in movies and on tv. and, adults are questioned. just a little while ago a man was walking with his son, when he saw some construction workers yelling sexually suggestive comments at a woman, he asked them to stop, and one of the workers shot him dead, in front of his son. people here are certainly questioning why, and hes an adult - ---------- > From: Kim Hatton > To: goths@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Justification? > Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 9:13 AM > > i agree with you, but i do think that somekids kind of > think that life is a video game that you can just push > the reset button on if you mess up. unfortunateally > there is no reset key in life. > -kim > > --- NecroLove@aol.com wrote: > > I have a question about all this media covering the > > shooting. . . > > Why are they looking for a reason to justify why > > "two young boys" would go > > around shooting people? And they keep saying that > > it's so sad that "young > > teens and kids are using violence" these days. But, > > why do they not question > > adults going around shooting people? I live in > > Pensacola, Fl. Not sure if you > > guys have heard of it or not, but we constantly have > > protesters out in front > > of abortion clinics. And a while ago, some guy who > > was protesting, pulled out > > a gun and shot one of the doctor's that worked there > > and tried to shoot > > others that were around. Yet they don't ask "why" > > that guy was shooting > > people. He's an adult, you think he would have known > > better! And a Christian > > at that. So, are they saying an adult doesn't need a > > reason to go around > > shooting people? It just comes naturally to them. > > But a kid who has a gun, > > must be psycho, or he must be Satanic? > > And the whole thing about TV and music turning > > today's youth into weirdo's, > > is a bunch of bull. The only program on TV that > > could seriously do any harm > > to kids these days, is the News. Because, it *is* > > real. And they put so much > > focus on shootings, and crimes, they turn you into a > > star, in a way. And in > > that case, why not? Those kids probably never got > > any recognition for stuff > > that they did before, so why not go out in a way > > that's going to make > > everyone remember you, forever. > > > > > > === > "It does not matter how you hide, I'll find you if we want to" > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:53:25 -0700 From: "Dani.M" Subject: Re: Philly-goths... switchblade symphony are coming to toronto, i wan't to see them but its 19+ >:( - ---------- > From: Danielle > To: goths@smoe.org > Subject: Philly-goths... > Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 12:28 PM > > when i was trying to get info on the Switchblade Symphony show in philly i found out that Julia from Raspy will be playing with ANGELS OF LIGHT at the TLA in June sometime... anyone know anything about this?!?!? ...also any Goths going to Switchblade???... > > > Love, > Danielle~ > --------------------------------------- > "Perfect little dream, the kind that > hurts the most, forgot how it feels. > Well, almost." - Trent > http://www.angelfire.com/on/CorsetStrings > ----------------------------------------- > Get your Free E-mail at http://corsetstrings.zzn.com > ___________________________________________________________ > Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:46:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Loresch Subject: The situation in CO I keep reading "I don't agree with what they did, but I understand why they did it." That's crap. These two kids (as well as anyone who might have helped them massacre people) were crazy. I also have experienced being picked on. Because of the time I spent at the business my father ran, I was far more comfortable with adults and spent more time talking to teachers than other students. I was an advanced student, or a nerd, if you will. I was painfully shy, and on top of the normal child-to-adult transition problems, I was diagnosed with a chemical imbalance that makes me inclined toward severe depression. So yes, I know what it is like. But what the two in Colorado did has NO EXCUSE, as some of you are trying to claim. People who see violence against others as a solution to their personal problems do not belong in society, they belong in psychiatric care. Anyone who understands why they did what they did scare me, and I don't want to associate with them! Teenage years are difficult for everyone. Even the "popular" kids suffer from insecurity and worry about doing something wrong to change people's opinions about them. But it ends. I'm now 24, a graduate student in college, engaged to be married to a wonderful man, and happy with my life. No matter how difficult the teenage years are, you can come out of it just fine once you realize that the key to having others like you is to like yourself first. People who commit violence against others as a way of coping with their insecurity are very immature, and are not likely to mature further. It's not a matter of understanding them, it's a matter of getting them psychiatric help. There are no excuses for personal violence except defense. - -Heather - -- "Today the real test of power is not capacity to make war but capacity to prevent it." -Anne O'Hare McCormick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:56:34 EDT From: ImAZeroSP@aol.com Subject: {the goths}.... unbleivable things in high schools.... well, on thrusday and friday i was absent from school so i didnt know what was going on with how people at my school were handeling the CO thing... I go to Alan B Shepard High School in Palos Heights, illinois just so you all know... anyhoo- ive been told that the atletes, g's, preppies/trendies, and full-fleged jocks are "retaliating" against the alterna-goth kids.... yup.. i heard that the goth/alternative kids are getting beat-up, threatened, and picked on.... what? do they WANT the CO thing to happen at ABS?? at my best friend Tracey's school (Stagg High School in Palos Hills), tehy are handing out 10-day at home suspensions like phucking free samples for kids who wear trenchcoats.... Even the kids who wore them everyday. They gave my friend Kyle a 10-day suspension for joking around and saying "Kil the Preppies!"... something that is a kind-hearted joke that hes been saying for years... Also, My friend tracey said that the jocks/preppies in her classes have been SUPER nice to her.... Such as: this one kid Rocky always makes fun of tracey for how she dresses (alterna-goth), the music she listens to, her views on life and society (views like gay pride and equal rights.. which is not something to be made fun of), and anything else he can make fun of her about, especially critisizing her for listening to the Smashing Pumpkins. So, I guess yesterday he sat down next to her and was like "Tracey, i really love the smashing pumpkins... that billy corgan, hes great.." and he was trying tobe nice to her so hes "not the first person she kills when she cracks".... this is soooo BOGUS! i swear.. the schools are on major crack, the jocks are making things worse and everybody needs to stop blaming everything on music and ALTERNATIVE KIDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY!! it gets me so mad... what if some all-american jonny-football hero shot 50 kids?? than what would it be blamed on>???? violence on TV?!?! the parents?! the coaches?!!? THIS IS REDICULOUS!!! desperate and displeased, cara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:58:51 EDT From: KiNsAnItY@aol.com Subject: On the Subject: Protesting misrepresentation...write the media! greets all, i apologize for not speaking often... however i am at this point i am thoroughly angry, disgusted, saddened, and understanding of all events past and present in the colorado situation - including the media... but i do not seek to justify any of it. i feel the true problem behind the killers wasn't only that they were harassed, provoked OR influenced but unable to take control of themselves. and as i'm sure all of you know, we are easy targets for our peers but were often equally invisible to anyone of authority, except when the finger of blame is to fall. bands, artists, writers, individuals: the 'goth' community, does wonderful things for all of us who have always felt terribly alone... the simple knowledge that there ARE many others who feel and believe as you do... hiding in their own dark corners. However, i do not feel it is fair to label the killers in colorado as their peers did, 'goth.' They shared a liking for black clothing, prob. some of the darker things that intrigue us, maybe a few common musicians or writers. but they also had an obsession with firearms, hitler, and wore >shudder< confederate flag patches. I also understand that we must be sensitive to this issue, we do frighten some people on a normal basis and now, only moreso. Many students who normally dress with the goth or dark flair are being suspended from schools across the country and in some cases harrassed by other public authority figures such as the police force.... Insensitivity might have been a factor, in which case, justified. Parody, farce, joking... beyond justified. But it is a lifestyle, not a cult, not a gang, organization, or religion. The majority of us are 'deeply spiritual' and more in touch with our emotions mostly because many of us experienced a much wider range of emotions at a much earlier age, mainly through torment over our -differences. However, what makes us different from these killers is our will, our strength, our expression. the way that we have survived through our art, our loves, and ourselves. something they obviously never managed. i urge all of you to take up the white ribbon campaign... it is a both a memorial and a shield. for those who would normally dismiss you at a distant glance WILL ask and you may provide them with an answer which will change their entire impression of you and all of us... PASS THE WORD to those of us not here... the more the better. in their asking perhaps they will find that behind our darkness we too have morals, emotions, soulsss.... Further i urge you to write to the media spreading and spewing the sort of public reassuring filth as some have been. write the heads of the companies and the departments, write the editors, the authors, the anchors... make your voice heard. for though our silence is precious, it is also that which makes us slaves and scapegoats to america's problems. a good place to start: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/digest/daily/april99/suspects21.htm regarding: >probably the most ridiculously misinformed piece of yellow journalism i've >read in a long time. a lot of hogwash about the goth subculture and hitler's >birthday. kind of funny after you get over the inital indignation at becoming >synonomous with psychopaths and derelicts. > >heart, >jennifer and fully agreed that it is. there is a list of email addresses here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/interact/longterm/stfbio/wpemail.htm write and be heard. pass the word. my thanks in your time... through evermore into now, ~k.craven ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:07:50 PDT From: "Happy Voodoo" Subject: colorado/solutions/individuality. I don't understand how so many of you denounce the recent Colorado shootings but proclaim "I understand why they did it." What? How do you understand why they did it? Just because you are picked on in high school, that does NOT give you the mentality to kill someone. By pinointing just one cause of this atrocity, we are not looking at the big picture. It seems that the situation in Colorado is simply another symptom of what our culture produces. Our culture is violent. Until we acknowledge that and admit that our culture is producing among other things, violent children, we should simply accept that incidents like this are the price we will have to pay for ignoring social issues, or reducing complex problems to individual (psychological) arguments. I think that incidents like this are more accurately handled when you examine how our culture functions (all aspects: ideology, economics, social class, media) and how individuals percieve and then react to various circumstances. It's very complex. So to reduce a very complicated situation to causal effects of parents, guns, or tv, or whatever, is to dismiss the real likelihood that it is all of these functioning in a web or matrix that intersect at the individual, who then reproduces and responds to their interpretation of reality. It is such an American thing to do to try really really hard to come up with a singular explanation to the shooting/bombing, so they can "put it away." We love to explain things away. But if you look closely, and see it as the outcome of the normal workings of our culture, then what do you say? The answer, that our culture is violent, defies a simple solution - so Americans don't like those type of Answer, and will not change their minds. It's scary to think about big hairy problems like this in big picture terms, because there is no one solution, but rather a multitude of causes that often reinforce and contribute to each other, and reproduce the very conditions that make our culture possible. Why are we called "goths" on this list anyway? I am far from a goth and the only "gothic" music I listen to is Rasputina (who, in all actuality, is not gothic) and Black Tape for a Blue Girl. I enjoy some metal, but mainly I am involved in indie music - which most of you would abhor. So instead of saying, "I am a Goth," why not say, "I am (your name). And I am an individual." Erin. - -you only live a day, but it's brilliant anyway- elliott smith. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:10:16 EDT From: ImAZeroSP@aol.com Subject: im sorry i keep writing to all you homocidal goths!! heehee.. sorry about teh subject.... i think its funny how they cancelled Manson's show In CO... it probably was a good idea... someone would probably have tried to shoot him. i was listening to the whole CO thing go down when my *mommie* was driving me to Mansons show on 4/20.... umm... yeah.... so... maybe i should talk about Raspy?? i dunno... i wanna start listening to Switchblade symphony... i listened to some sameples on the web and it sounded awsome.... i need to hear more tho... if anyone has any SS MP3s could ya email them to me? i like, can never buy cds cause i always spend all my money on SP stuff... i think im gonna start a collection... this girl my friend tracey knows started a "Get Samantha Drunk" fund in school and actually raised moneyy... that was a bad idea for a fund tho.... im gonna do a "Get caras hair bleached and dyed a fun colour" fund.... that would RAWK.... well, cyas later... sending a heart to all my dearies, cara ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ cupid hath pulled back his sweetheart's bow to cast divine arrows into her soul to grab her attention swift and quick or morrow the marrow of her bones be thick with turpentine kisses and mistaken blows see the devil may do as the devil may care he loves none sweeter as sweeter the dare her mouth the mischief he doth seek her heart, the captive of which he speaks so note all ye lovers in love with the sound your world be shattered with nary a note of one cupids arrow under your coat and in the land of star crossed lovers and barren hearted wanderers forever lost in forsaken missives and satan's pull we seek the unseekable and we speak the unspeakable our hopes dead gathering dust to dust in faith, in compassion and in love ~~smashing pumpkins... 'cupid de locke' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:15:55 -0700 From: "xoxo jane" Subject: Re: A long time ago.. shirt designs. - --- My friend made a Rasputina shirt the other day. It isn't made very well (it's the iron-on kind) but I thought it was really neat. On the front it has a cute pic of melora (you could basically use any picture, though) that I'd never seen and it said, 'Rasputina' in pretty letters. On the back it said (in the same font) 'All the kids love cello rock.' I'm sure it said something else on the front, but I can't remember. Obviously, this couldn't be a list shirt, but I thought it was neat. On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:49:00 Channy wrote: >Hey everyone.. I was recently going through some old emails from all you >guys, and I found some from when we were talking about list shirts, and >Rasputina shirts in general. Well, some people were talking about Rasputina >logos that they had made.. and I was wondering, if these people are still >around, I'd really like to see the designs! So if they're online anywhere, >or if they have them scanned, let me know, I'd love to see them. >Thanks, > >Eva > ~lithia ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ "Don't drink the lithia water," -Moonit http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/XOXOJANE A Rasputina fansite. ALL THE KIDS LOVE CELLO ROCK *There has never been a better time for Neo-Chamber Grunge.* ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 17:49:17 EDT From: Milkdudd21@aol.com Subject: i feel very strongly about this subject....not rasputina related....but READ IT! Thank you. DID YOU KNOW MUMIA IS A SIGNATURE AWAY FROM BEING MURDERED? MUMIA ABU-JAMAL'S BID FOR A NEW TRIAL TURNED DOWN MASSIVE INTERNATIONAL MOBILIZATION NEEDED NOW TO SAVE MUMIA'S LIFE The Pennsylvania Supreme Court denied Mumia's Post Conviction Relief Act appeal on October 30, 1998, which was his LAST appeal! A motion to rehear aspects of this PCRA ruling was swiftly denied, and now a DEATH WARRANT could be signed any day! Attorney Leonard Weinglass has explained where the case for Mumia is at since the DENIAL OF THE REHEARING. In the WORST CASE scenario, MUMIA COULD BE EXECUTED IN MAY. Everything Weinglass is filing is being denied by the kkkourts and people MUST pull together RIGHT NOW to save the life of our brother. This is a VERY SERIOUS time, Ridge has pledged to murder Mumia. The ONLY thing we need to be discussing at this time is how to stop this MURDER. Who is Mumia Abu-Jamal? Today, to take a stand for justice and against racism is to take up the case of Mumia Abu-Jamal. What Is At Stake In 1995, Mumia Abu-Jamal was only ten days away from execution, when a world-wide outcry forced the government to back down and grant a stay of execution. Yet Mumia remains under court order for execution and the outcome depends upon our actions. Only twice in the twentieth century have there been court ordered executions of political dissidents in the United States. The last time was the Rosenbergs over 40 years ago. And the government has not dared to carry out the legal execution of a prominent Black revolutionary since the days of slavery. To let them get away with such an act now would send a chilling message throughout society. It would affect the political climate for years to come. The case of Mumia Abu-Jamal concentrates the criminalization of Black men, the suppression of dissent, the expanded death penalty, the gutting of defendants rights, and a whole political atmosphere based on blame and punishment of the most oppressed. The Frame Up Mumia was a prominent radio journalist who allowed the angry and anguished voices of the oppressed onto the air waves. In retaliation, he was framed up on a murder charge by the Philadelphia police. In December of 1981, Mumia was shot by a Philadelphia cop and almost died when he came upon a scene where his own brother was was being beaten by that cop. The police officer was also shot and killed, and witnesses saw two men run from the scene. Yet when police arrived, they beat Mumia before taking him to the hospital. When they discovered that they had a prominent critic of the police department, he was immediately charged with murder. Mumias brother and witnesses at the scene were later harassed and driven out of town. No attempt was made to identify the men seen fleeing the scene. And the dead officer was holding the drivers license of yet another man. But it was only Mumia that the police wanted. When people began to question the charging of Mumia, the police put forward the absurd story two months after the incident that Mumia had confessed in the hospital emergency room, and they had simply forgotten to mention it at the time or write it in their reports. The written reports and the emergency room doctor say this never happened. Mumia was then barred from most of his own trial for protesting an incompetent court-appointed attorney who was later disbarred. Eleven preemptory challenges were used to knock almost all Blacks off the jury. Vital evidence was withheld from the defense, witnesses were intimidated, and the fatal bullet has disappeared from the police files. The political motivation of the prosecution was made clear when the prosecutor argued for the death penalty by reading revolutionary quotes from Mumia's political writings. In a recent hearing, a witness used against Mumia in the first trial came forward to say that she lied under police coercion. In retaliation, she was arrested in the courtroom as she stepped off the witness stand on an old warrant from another state that she knew nothing about. All this takes place against a back drop of a massive police scandal in Philadelphia. Dozens of people have been released from jail because they were originally convicted on the basis of phony evidence fabricated by the police. The Politics Behind It Mumia has spent over 15 years in prison, facing execution for a crime he did not commit. In 1995 he was put in disciplinary confinement for writing a book, Live From Death Row. The police frame up of Mumia came at the end of the turbulent late sixties and seventies when the government declared war on the Black Panther Party and Black radicals in general. In Philadelphia under Mayor Frank Rizzo, much of this became concentrated in the citys war on the militant MOVE organization a war that culminated in the 1985 police bombing of the MOVE house, the murder of 11 occupants (including 5 children), and the burning of 60 homes in the neighborhood. Mumia had exposed an earlier police attack on MOVE, and allowed MOVE activists to present their side of the story on the air. Before that he had been a founding member and Minister of Information of the Black Panther Party in Philadelphia. When Mumias new lawyers obtained his FBI files, they found that he had been under government surveillance since he was 15 years old! This injustice cannot be allowed to stand. Now its time to turn up the heat! Refuse & Resist! The battle to free Mumia Abu-Jamal requires organization at the national and local levels that can reach and unite the different sections of society that must be brought into this fight. Refuse & Resist! exists to resist the entire reactionary political agenda being pushed upon society. It is unique in uniting youth, students, professionals, housewives, artists, working people, and prominent figures in a common effort to build a movement and a climate of resistance where people refuse to accept or be complicit in crimes against the people. To the racists and women haters, to the gay-bashers and welfare slashers, to the prison builders and executioners, we say: the future is not yours! LINKS that tell more about this subject please check them out! An innocent man could be killed if nothing is done. The Case of Mumia Abu-Jamal links to other web-sites with info on Mumia These are just a couple, but there are more links on the pages. There is plenty of information out there. Thank you for your time! Tim and Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 17:57:25 EDT From: GothGoil@aol.com Subject: gothtarget Click here: http://projekt.com/goth/gothtarget.gif ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:05:05 EDT From: Milkdudd21@aol.com Subject: Re: A long time ago.. shirt designs. hello my little rasputina lovies................did i hear that julia has officially left........................please confirm this...does that mean agnieszka left as well?...is there anyway that we can get the melora to answer questions again ..?.....i really want to hear some new things from them.......... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 17:19:23 -0700 From: "xoxo jane" Subject: Re: im sorry i keep writing to all you homocidal goths!! - --- You can find some MP3's at http://www.cleorecs.com I'm pretty sure they have a lot of them, but there are also some unreleased ones. ~lithia ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ "Don't drink the lithia water," -Moonit http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/XOXOJANE A Rasputina fansite. ALL THE KIDS LOVE CELLO ROCK *There has never been a better time for Neo-Chamber Grunge.* ^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^^@^ On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:10:16 ImAZeroSP wrote: >heehee.. sorry about teh subject.... > >i think its funny how they cancelled Manson's show In CO... >it probably was a good idea... someone would probably have tried to shoot him. >i was listening to the whole CO thing go down when my *mommie* was driving me >to Mansons show on 4/20.... > >umm... >yeah.... >so... maybe i should talk about Raspy?? >i dunno... i wanna start listening to Switchblade symphony... i listened to >some sameples on the web and it sounded awsome.... >i need to hear more tho... if anyone has any SS MP3s could ya email them to >me? > >i like, can never buy cds cause i always spend all my money on SP stuff... i >think im gonna start a collection... this girl my friend tracey knows started >a "Get Samantha Drunk" fund in school and actually raised moneyy... that was >a bad idea for a fund tho.... im gonna do a "Get caras hair bleached and dyed >a fun colour" fund.... >that would RAWK.... > >well, cyas later... > >sending a heart to all my dearies, >cara > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >cupid hath pulled back his sweetheart's bow >to cast divine arrows into her soul > to grab her attention swift and quick >or morrow the marrow of her bones be thick >with turpentine kisses and mistaken blows > >see the devil may do as the devil may care >he loves none sweeter as sweeter the dare >her mouth the mischief he doth seek >her heart, the captive of which he speaks >so note all ye lovers in love with the sound >your world be shattered with nary a note >of one cupids arrow under your coat > >and in the land of star crossed lovers >and barren hearted wanderers >forever lost in forsaken missives and satan's pull >we seek the unseekable and we speak the unspeakable >our hopes dead gathering dust to dust >in faith, in compassion and in love >~~smashing pumpkins... 'cupid de locke' > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 22:14:05 EDT From: ImAZeroSP@aol.com Subject: what my mom says about this stuff... my mom's advice about what to do if people/officials at school give us hell for being who we are: CONFORM... conformity KILLS mom.... this is just BS... lets NOT be who we are, right? WHATEVER. sorry again my lovelies luv and pumpkins, CaRa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ had no love i had no shame i had myself and 17 days of rain and you in my eyes just one more song to slay this earth and i cant explain myself just what its worth it was all i had but not all i'd need and i can't escape the fact that i still bleed - --smashing.pumpkins,blissed.and.gone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 01:24:06 -0400 From: jason dismay Subject: article. i just have to say... even if you're sick of the whole colorado business, read this article. It's not at all like the 40853754 others, and it paints what is probably a much more accurate picture of what was going on, closer to what I've suspected all through this. My thanks goes out to the Denver Post for printing this. I hope a lot of people read it. - ----- columbine - tragedy and recovery Teen describes school life filled with taunts, abuse By Susan Greene Denver Post Staff Writer April 24 - Hell. The word has been used so often this week to describe the bloody rampage at Columbine High School. But one member of Columbine's now-notorious Trench Coat Mafia invokes the same image of hell when describing life at the school before the carnage. The 18-year-old, who demanded anonymity, said he was taunted and terrorized by his schoolmates - so-called jocks who called him "faggot,'' bashed him into lockers and threw rocks at him from their cars while he rode his bike home from school. "I can't describe how hard it was to get up in the morning and face that,'' he said. "Hell,'' he continued. "Pure hell.'' Police repeatedly have questioned the teen about his knowledge of the shootings. He is one of several mafia members who at once are shying away from reporters, but also desperate to have their stories heard. He and his parents know people will perceive their anonymity as a sign that he has something to hide or in some way is responsible for Tuesday's massacre. He's visibly grieving about the tragedy and about what he knows are the ties students are suggesting between him and killers Eric Har ris and Dylan Klebold. He said the two seniors weren't even part of the mafia, but merely friends of one especially charismatic - and, he notes, the only violent - member. They were on the fringe of the group, the school's most outcast, most fringe clique. And so, the teen said, his reluctance to speak out stems not from an association with the shooters, but from the very reason his group of loners banded together in the first place - out of fear of more ridicule and torment, more shoves, more thrown rocks. Or worse. "I want to stand up and say this is what I went through,'' he said. "But I'm scared, not just for me, but my family.'' By now, most of America and much of the world have heard about Columbine's jocks. The student-athletes commonly wear clothes bearing the logos of sports teams. Another indication is baseball caps with visors worn facing forward and carefully rounded. Not all jocks tormented him, the teen noted. But he said a handful of bullies held so much power that most of the school emulated them, or at least were too afraid to voice dissent. "If you didn't dress like them, if you walked to school or rode your bike, if you didn't get into sports and weren't athletic, then you were an outcast. It's that simple,'' he said. Taunting started with the teen's appearance which, without compromising his anonymity, is gawky - the painfully uneasy look of so many male teens teetering between boyhood and manhood. He said jocks ridiculed his clothes and his black trench coat, which his parents bought for him to wear with suits on special occasions. The torment often became vicious. While the teen biked home from school, he said, jocks would "speed past at 40, 50 mph'' and toss pop cans or cups full of sticky soda at him. Sometimes they threw rocks or even sideswiped his bike with their cars. He described waking on school days with a knot in his stomach and the dread of having to face the humiliation. He would avoid certain hallways and even make his way to classes outside the school building to escape being ridiculed or being bashed against lockers, he said. In the cafeteria, he continued, jocks threw mashed potatoes at him. He would wear the stains for the rest of the school day. But he wasn't the only kid messed with at Columbine. Other mafia members faced similar troubles. And, he said, he knew Klebold and Harris were tormented as well. The teen speaks about his high school years quietly, but angrily. He's visibly withdrawn and says he's depressed. But he has enough perspective to understand why he joined the mafia. It was the only place he could find friends. He said the core group of about seven boys - mostly socially awkward kids, loners - started hanging out in 1996. They gradually grew to include more students, boys and girls who called themselves "The Anachronists'' because of their interest in the game Dungeons and Dragons and their penchant for Goth, short for Gothic, fashions. In early 1998, he said, a jock branded them with the name Trench Coat Mafia. The group accepted the moniker, hoping the symbolism would scare their tormenters and that the nefarious aura of a darkly dressed mob would finally give them some peace. "And it worked,'' the teen said. "They did start leaving us alone.'' Members apparently found security in numbers. They hung out together listening to music, watching movies and commiserating about their difficulties at school. Many, he said, were just grateful for the companionship. Despite widespread news reports about their obsession with the sadist music of Marilyn Manson, he said, only one member really was a fan of the shock-rocker. The teen also makes a point of noting the group wasn't racist or interested in Nazi history or culture. "That's so inaccurate, the image that we were like that,'' he said. "People just want to put labels on us that aren't true.'' The teen said Harris and Klebold were less socially active even than other mafia members. From the outside, he said, they must have seemed part of the group because of their black trench coats and their similar Goth style of dress. But, speaking from the inside, he said they weren't really members. Although they sometimes hung with the mafia in Columbine's commons and shared sneers at the jocks, he recalled, they ate at a separate lunch table and led very separate lives. Harris and Klebold didn't usually don trench coats, he added, surmising they wore them on Tuesday because they helped hide their guns. Further, he noted, theirs weren't really trench coats, but actually Australian dusters - - not authentically Goth at all. The teen is clearly rocked by Tuesday's massacre. He swallows hard when talking about it, when seeing the yearbook photos of his dead schoolmates and teacher beamed over national TV. "I'm not saying what they did was OK,'' he said of Harris and Klebold. "But I know what it's like to be cornered, pushed day after day.'' "Tell people that we were harassed and that sometimes it was impossible to take,'' he told a reporter. "Tell people that ... eventually, someone was going to snap.'' - ----- that's all love, jason ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V3 #82 **************************