From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V3 #71 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Tuesday, April 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: scrawl magazine [Anitra33@aol.com] Rasputina Message Board on AOL [Anitra33@aol.com] agist crap again. [just a pretty little princess ] RE: agist crap again. [MICAH WESTFALL ] ok lets get one thing straight [LeechCraft@aol.com] real issues ["Rainbow Bright" ] Re: scrawl magazine [Anitra33@aol.com] Re: real issues [Anitra33@aol.com] Re: scrawl magazine [Channy ] hm.... [michele s hardeman ] fighting... again ["Burn Mellie" ] Remove? [OpheliaRSJ@aol.com] RE: scrawl magazine [MICAH WESTFALL ] Re: fighting... again [Goodshroom@aol.com] nothing to do with rasputina... ["m.uh ~" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 06:53:08 EDT From: Anitra33@aol.com Subject: Re: scrawl magazine In a message dated 99-04-12 00:05:30 EDT, mrwsmile@foryou.net writes: << 2) One cannot be a fan (directed to message below), unless he or she has heard TFTE! >> your logic is demented. i told my best friend about Rasputina and she bought a used copy of HWQTF, and for the longest time it was the only album of theirs she had and she loved it. she spread the word of Raspy around the whole school, actually (i'd do the same but i'm a shy person). i bought her TFTE for Christmas and she loves that, too. to paraphrase what someone said about the smashing pumpkins that i rather liked: "you are a fan if: you have one functioning kidney; if you like the smashing pumpkins." it applies here too :) Samantha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:26:18 EDT From: Anitra33@aol.com Subject: Rasputina Message Board on AOL recently, AOL created a message board dedicated to Rasputina (finally!). the place is pretty vacant, so if any of you AOLers want to talk about Rasputina with other fans who might not be Goths, the keyword is: aol://5863:126/mB:381759 Samantha np: california demise/olivia tremor control ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:38:49 -0500 (EST) From: just a pretty little princess Subject: agist crap again. micah wrote: >Attitude? > >No. I am so sorry, but just here lately I've gotten real sick of little >12 year old little snots claiming to be fans of something, but really not >knowing the first thing about it. and i say: you should seriously think before you write. first, your comment was extremely agist, unfounded, AND a total generalization. i know that when i was 12 i was a huge fan of michael jackson, and though i may not have understood all of his lyrics and things of that sort - i still was a huge fan who supported him and was moved by the music. i think that we shouldn't be so jumpy about who are fans of rasputina - even if you feel some of the "new" fans are "12 year old little snots," you should be happy that they're buying the records and supporting the ladies that we all have mutual love and respect for. thank you, corinna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:03:15 -0400 From: MICAH WESTFALL Subject: RE: scrawl magazine I knew it! In school! You are one on those 12 year old snots in jr. high!!! @/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@ On Monday, April 12, 1999 6:53 AM, Anitra33@aol.com [SMTP:Anitra33@aol.com] wrote: | In a message dated 99-04-12 00:05:30 EDT, mrwsmile@foryou.net writes: | | << 2) One cannot be a fan (directed to message below), unless he or she has | heard TFTE! >> | | your logic is demented. i told my best friend about Rasputina and she bought | a used copy of HWQTF, and for the longest time it was the only album of | theirs she had and she loved it. she spread the word of Raspy around the | whole school, actually (i'd do the same but i'm a shy person). i bought her | TFTE for Christmas and she loves that, too. to paraphrase what someone said | about the smashing pumpkins that i rather liked: "you are a fan if: you have | one functioning kidney; if you like the smashing pumpkins." it applies here | too :) | | Samantha | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:06:02 -0400 From: MICAH WESTFALL Subject: RE: agist crap again. You understand what I mean though, don't you? I owned a movie theater for some time and truely have a thing against that age group when they think that they are the shit dressed in black talking about how hard their lives have been because daddy won't let them get their noses pierced. @/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@ On Monday, April 12, 1999 11:39 AM, just a pretty little princess [SMTP:cory@shooter.bluemarble.net] wrote: | | micah wrote: | >Attitude? | > | >No. I am so sorry, but just here lately I've gotten real sick of little | >12 year old little snots claiming to be fans of something, but really not | >knowing the first thing about it. | | and i say: | | you should seriously think before you write. first, your comment was | extremely agist, unfounded, AND a total generalization. | i know that when i was 12 i was a huge fan of michael jackson, and though | i may not have understood all of his lyrics and things of that sort - i | still was a huge fan who supported him and was moved by the music. i think | that we shouldn't be so jumpy about who are fans of rasputina - even if | you feel some of the "new" fans are "12 year old little snots," you should | be happy that they're buying the records and supporting the ladies that we | all have mutual love and respect for. | | thank you, | corinna | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:47:07 EDT From: LeechCraft@aol.com Subject: ok lets get one thing straight In a message dated 4/12/99 4:00:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-goths-digest@smoe.org writes: << No. I am so sorry, but just here lately I've gotten real sick of little 12 year old little snots claiming to be fans of something, but really not knowing the first thing about it. >> no i respec you opinion ... BUT if a perons can appriciate the music and connect with it that is al lthe bonda really cares about they don 't care if you know al ltheir names bitth dates and how old thei cats are... it is all aboutt he music... it needed to be said and play nice!!! (o:` tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:22:53 PDT From: "Rainbow Bright" Subject: real issues i gotta say, i am really pissed at the people on this list who feel superior because of their age. i'm sure it makes you feel much better about yourself to slam on younger members of this list, but really. if you're that old and superior, you should know by now that self esteem should not derive from insulting others. grow up, please. some of the 12 year olds on this list are more mature then you. (and dont even try to make a lame comeback and imply that i'm one of them; i'm not.) furthermore, i don't think anyone on this list has a right to dictate who is a real fan of Rasputina. it doesnt matter whether you are fanatically devoted to the band and have Raspy tattoos over your entire body, or if you just saw them on Conan and liked what you heard. anyone who likes them enough to stay on this list and put up with the bullshit that some members spew out is a fan, as far as i'm concerned. thanks to all of you who tolerate new members who havent been present for all the discussions of the past year; as a relatively new fan myself, i apppreciate those who dont snap at me when i ask simple questions. ~~Lori _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:34:52 EDT From: Anitra33@aol.com Subject: Re: scrawl magazine In a message dated 99-04-12 12:09:39 EDT, mrwsmile@foryou.net writes: << I knew it! In school! You are one on those 12 year old snots in jr. high!!! >> actually, I'm a 14 1/2-year-old freshman in high school, not that it matters. i know some 12-year-olds who are actually quite nice and i can carry on intelligent conversations with. don't go throwing generalizations around like they were.. umm.. things you throw. (baseballs? knives? yeah, knives.) Samantha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:46:48 EDT From: Anitra33@aol.com Subject: Re: real issues i agree completely. whatever happened to Chris? (i think his name is chris--the guy who runs this list. it's been so long that i don't even remember for sure! argh!) there were a lot of other people who used to post to the list who seem to have dropped off the face of the earth.. hmm.. hello out there? :) hmm, to make this remotely Rasputina related, i found the HWQTF promo storybook at a record store on my trip to Chicago last month for about $8 (there are *no* good record stores here in St. Louis). it was a very pleasant surprise. Samantha In a message dated 99-04-12 17:27:02 EDT, sunshine836@hotmail.com writes: << i gotta say, i am really pissed at the people on this list who feel superior because of their age. i'm sure it makes you feel much better about yourself to slam on younger members of this list, but really. if you're that old and superior, you should know by now that self esteem should not derive from insulting others. grow up, please. some of the 12 year olds on this list are more mature then you. (and dont even try to make a lame comeback and imply that i'm one of them; i'm not.) furthermore, i don't think anyone on this list has a right to dictate who is a real fan of Rasputina. it doesnt matter whether you are fanatically devoted to the band and have Raspy tattoos over your entire body, or if you just saw them on Conan and liked what you heard. anyone who likes them enough to stay on this list and put up with the bullshit that some members spew out is a fan, as far as i'm concerned. thanks to all of you who tolerate new members who havent been present for all the discussions of the past year; as a relatively new fan myself, i apppreciate those who dont snap at me when i ask simple questions. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:42:14 -0700 From: Channy Subject: Re: scrawl magazine If there's one thing that just *really* annoys me, is when people assume SO much about a person, and they don't even know anything about them. "little 12 year olds"... Let's see, for all anyone knows, I could be 45 and love Rasputina, right? So what's wrong with that? (I'm not, but I'm just giving an example) I know how people love to catagorize people and stick them into groups (I know I've done it- I don't think anyone can say they never have) but when you think about it, it's really very pointless. Besides- who on this list can HONESTLY say that they were at a height of maturity at 12? Hell, I know I wasn't, but it's not like I was an idiot, either. Of course, there are many idiots who whine about how "their daddies won't let them get their noses pierced" but hey, who cares? Let them have their little problems. And besides, who knows, there could be some incredibly mature 12 year olds out there. You never know! Next- How is it that you can't be a so-called "real fan" if you don't have TFTE? That's like saying you can't like art if you can't draw incredible works of art. It just doesn't make sense. I think I'd define a "true fan" as someone who appreciates and really likes the music that Rasputina comes up with. You don't have to own every piece of merchandise out there (lucky for the ones who do, but consider that we all don't get to go to all the concerts, if even one, and can't find the singles anywhere).. Anyways.. I hope what I'm saying makes sense, and think about what you're complaining about to see if it's even a legitimate complaint. And lastly (is that a word? ^^;;) thanks Lamia for your help with the magazine, and if anyone else has any information about a back issue, let me know! (I'll tell you if I can find anything Lamia!) Thanks. (and I'm glad to know that there's people out there that think the same as me on these topics!) :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:12:13 -0400 From: michele s hardeman Subject: hm.... and i was sorry the list was quiet for so long.... well, as if enough hasn't been blathered, nay i just say i agree with everyone. adolescents and there abouts are quite bothersome and pesky. but, instead of getting annoyed and nasty, either ignore them or make fun of them with your peers (my personal favourite. ) we were all twelve and well, twelve. i remember when rasputina didn't have a webpage...do i resent all these little hot topic children and wish they would buy some alanis and leave me and my music alone? yes. but, as i realize that can not happen, i will instead put on my headphones, close my eyes, and wait to die. hahahaha. i'm sooo goth. anyways. this is all so silly. the ladies would be very ashamed. m ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:01:38 PDT From: "Burn Mellie" Subject: fighting... again Its nice that someone has found something petty and meaningless to argue about... again. It upsets me to hear of people who don't even know each other hashing it out. I am very proud to be the one to say it this time; I joined this list to get news on Rasputina, not to have my mailbox filled with pointless blah blahs about age and what not. Please, if you choose to pick a fight with someone take it up with them. There is really no need to drag the whole list into it. Besides, half of the people on the list don't give a damn. I welcome you to tell me to"Blow it out my ass!" or say whatever you will, but is it really necessary that you fight over something so trivial? I think not. L'amour de mort, Michelle "Astride of a grave and a difficult birth. Down in the hole, lingeringly, the grave digger puts on the foreceps." - Samuel Beckett _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:06:55 EDT From: OpheliaRSJ@aol.com Subject: Remove? How do I get removed from this list? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:39:43 -0400 From: MICAH WESTFALL Subject: RE: scrawl magazine Musically, tfte is superior. hwqtf is more fun but to get the full spectrum of rasputina and to be a follower of something one must know where they came from to understand what brought them to where they are.....I did not say to enjoy raspy one must paly cello beautifully, but one must have heard more than the most recent tracks. @/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@/*#$%$#*\@ On Monday, April 12, 1999 7:42 PM, Channy [SMTP:dycon@ocis.net] wrote: | If there's one thing that just *really* annoys me, is when people assume SO | much about a person, and they don't even know anything about them. "little | 12 year olds"... Let's see, for all anyone knows, I could be 45 and love | Rasputina, right? So what's wrong with that? (I'm not, but I'm just giving | an example) I know how people love to catagorize people and stick them into | groups (I know I've done it- I don't think anyone can say they never have) | but when you think about it, it's really very pointless. Besides- who on | this list can HONESTLY say that they were at a height of maturity at 12? | Hell, I know I wasn't, but it's not like I was an idiot, either. Of course, | there are many idiots who whine about how "their daddies won't let them get | their noses pierced" but hey, who cares? Let them have their little | problems. And besides, who knows, there could be some incredibly mature 12 | year olds out there. You never know! | | Next- How is it that you can't be a so-called "real fan" if you don't have | TFTE? That's like saying you can't like art if you can't draw incredible | works of art. It just doesn't make sense. I think I'd define a "true fan" | as someone who appreciates and really likes the music that Rasputina comes | up with. You don't have to own every piece of merchandise out there (lucky | for the ones who do, but consider that we all don't get to go to all the | concerts, if even one, and can't find the singles anywhere).. Anyways.. I | hope what I'm saying makes sense, and think about what you're complaining | about to see if it's even a legitimate complaint. | | And lastly (is that a word? ^^;;) thanks Lamia for your help with the | magazine, and if anyone else has any information about a back issue, let me | know! (I'll tell you if I can find anything Lamia!) | Thanks. (and I'm glad to know that there's people out there that think the | same as me on these topics!) :) | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:57:17 EDT From: Goodshroom@aol.com Subject: Re: fighting... again I recommend that we all just get along...or not. Michelle knows what she's saying...I joined the list for Rasputina talk, not BS about nothing. - -Juli ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:08:33 -0800 From: "m.uh ~" Subject: nothing to do with rasputina... Is there something wrong with my email or do micah westfall's emails say they're from october 1998? I'm not getting mad at you, because, well, I don't really know who you are (directed to micah), but I juse wanted to know. anyway, lithia - --- Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V3 #71 **************************