From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V3 #37 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Sunday, February 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Have you ever looked at yourselves? ["Grandville Gerard" ] just felt like sharing ["Babbling Brooke" ] where do we send our pages? ["Emma Siverson" ] Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? [DaliAdore@aol.com] Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: shallow bitches ["Burgundy Wine" ] Re: shallow bitches ["Burgundy Wine" ] Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? ["Burgundy Wine" Subject: Have you ever looked at yourselves? >In a message dated 2/5/99 3:46:14 PM EST, Squid3@hotmail.com writes: > ><< Have you noticed, that the members of this mailing list are just a wee > bit different then the average person you might run into on the street? > We listen to obscure music (at least as compared to the mainstream), our > favorite books range from serious modern literature, to a slightly more > fantastical genre (mostly vampiric), to the hardcore classics. The > average guy reads pure fluff, listens to monotanous crap, and can't > carry on a discussion at anywhere near the level that we manage to at > times. > >> >It does get pretty "arty" in here doesn't it:-)BTW,the average guy doesn't >even read fluff.............mostly car repair manuals and car zines and the >backs of monster movie VHS cases. > >------------------------------ If I'm ostracized after saying this, I won't be surprised... I've followed quite a few newsgroups and been on some mailing lists, and every one of them has "noted" something like this. Naturally we all have the same taste. We're all here because of the same thing. I have seen so many groups get big headed and plain stupid about how fantastic they are and high above the rest of society they feel, and eventually it gets hard to read anything without feeling disgusted, so I hope we can all think a little clearer and be ourselves rather than the big happy family that says "fuck you" to the rest of the world because we're so cool. Maybe I should change my name to "RunOnSentenceMan", but when something makes sense, the words flow you see. Again, sorry if anyone is offended, but really folks. Let's not get so wrapped up in ourselves that we become this dellusional. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Grandville, the Outspoken Rasputina * * * Reject........... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 06:50:23 -0800 From: Thomas Victor Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? > If I'm ostracized after saying this, I won't be surprised... I'm not quite so sure that the intention of the original post was to declare everybody else as being stupid, and I would hardly think that you would be ostracized for just sharing your opinions (unless they were obviously bigoted in nature, which they weren't). I think the poster was just commenting truthfully on how a lot of us listen to and read things that a lot of people have never even heard of, does that make us any better? Probably not, but each little circle in life thinks that they are better and all others are missing out on some great stuff. I'm sure a good portion of people on this list are considered freaks by the average person. Hey I've actually lost friends becuase of my tastes in music and because I'm an atheist, but fuck em. Each person has that right to choose what they like and equally be hated by everyone who doesn't like it. - -- Tenchi tenchi@gatecom.com http://www.gatecom.com/~tenchi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:21:38 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? In a message dated 2/6/99 5:25:57 AM EST, volvox_epidemic@hotmail.com writes: << I've followed quite a few newsgroups and been on some mailing lists, and every one of them has "noted" something like this. Naturally we all have the same taste. We're all here because of the same thing. I have seen so many groups get big headed and plain stupid about how fantastic they are and high above the rest of society they feel, and eventually it gets hard to read anything without feeling disgusted, so I hope we can all think a little clearer and be ourselves rather than the big happy family that says "fuck you" to the rest of the world because we're so cool. >> Hahahahaha................stop it!!You're killing me:-)You commit every "sin" you are accuse these others of,right there in the same paragraph where you accuse them.What hypocracy...............cheezus..............people suck...........but where there is no accuser,there is no sin.Just as there's always someone who notes how special the group is,there's always someone who comes back at them the way you have...............and always when the group or artist becomes unstable in their percieved role,as Rasputina has become of late,these petty fights break out in the mailing lists and BBS.Angry Psycos became a haven for nitpickers just because Poe is overdue for an album and people got restless. You say:"Again, sorry if anyone is offended, but really folks. Let's not get so wrapped up in ourselves that we become this dellusional."You don't for a second think that this isn't a transparent statement.People being offended is exactly what was intended by your post.BTW,I was not offended.I was LMAO......................people are a freakin' scream in their spastic thrashing about................................like they are drowning in a cesspool.Also BTW,Raspy fans do generally have more class and better taste than the average herd think clutterheads who scarf down the usual industry/productspawn fodder. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:39:40 EST From: MopnGlo2@aol.com Subject: Re: review of toronto, the dead city In a message dated 2/6/99 04:08:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, burgundy_wine@hotmail.com writes: <<> Horseshoe Tavern is on Queen St West, right. a little further west of the >Rivoli(Kids in the Hall buff:)) > Arent those kids called like, "squigy kids" or something, or you can go for >the traditional, squaters, but they dont even look that dirty.>> I think that it should be noted that i never fucking made that statement above... if you wanna fucking flame someone, and call them shallow, make sure youre clear on just exactly who fucking said it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:08:25 -0800 (PST) From: wyldrose Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? Might I ask what exactly is in mind when you say the phrase "average person"?Ok,really stupid question,yes I'm aware of that.Most of mine usualy are :) but I just want to make certainI don't misconstue anything before I comment... thanks :) ~*~Joy~*~ > > In a message dated 2/6/99 5:25:57 AM EST, volvox_epidemic@hotmail.com writes: > > << I've followed quite a few newsgroups and been on some mailing lists, and > every one of them has "noted" something like this. Naturally we all > have the same taste. We're all here because of the same thing. I have > seen so many groups get big headed and plain stupid about how fantastic > they are and high above the rest of society they feel, and eventually it > gets hard to read anything without feeling disgusted, so I hope we can > all think a little clearer and be ourselves rather than the big happy > family that says "fuck you" to the rest of the world because we're so > cool. >> > Hahahahaha................stop it!!You're killing me:-)You commit every "sin" > you are accuse these others of,right there in the same paragraph where you > accuse them.What hypocracy...............cheezus..............people > suck...........but where there is no accuser,there is no sin.Just as there's > always someone who notes how special the group is,there's always someone who > comes back at them the way you have...............and always when the group or > artist becomes unstable in their percieved role,as Rasputina has become of > late,these petty fights break out in the mailing lists and BBS.Angry Psycos > became a haven for nitpickers just because Poe is overdue for an album and > people got restless. > > You say:"Again, sorry if anyone is offended, but really folks. Let's not get > so > wrapped up in ourselves that we become this dellusional."You don't for a > second think that this isn't a transparent statement.People being offended is > exactly what was intended by your post.BTW,I was not offended.I was > LMAO......................people are a freakin' scream in their spastic > thrashing about................................like they are drowning in a > cesspool.Also BTW,Raspy fans do generally have more class and better taste > than the average herd think clutterheads who scarf down the usual > industry/productspawn fodder. > == ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Say you'll share with me one love,one lifetime.Lead me,save me from my solitude.say you want me with you,here beside you..Anywhere you go,let me go,too.That's all I ask of you.. -Phantom of the Opera ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 17:27:40 GMT From: "Shinkuro Katsumi" Subject: being shallow + fashionable in the dead city of toronto Re: the ongoing battle bet. B_Wine, TS_vania, etc, and other concerned parties: Someone sic scribit: "incredibly stupid", "pointless smalltalk", "without the guts", "living here makes you want to die much quicker", "touchy but ridiculous"....tsk tsk, ladies. On a Saturday morning without caffeine? I thought we were all pacifists over here your friendly neighborhood Michael Madsen, Sumi BTW: the legalese involved: [squatters] need not be grungy, unwashed types. A freshly-shaved, Armani-suited corp-type *could* squat. Please re-align your world views accordingly. The following exchanges in themselves do not comprise a flame war, am i correct? There's nothing i like more: than a good, lengthy flame war! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:05:25 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? In a message dated 2/6/99 12:12:00 PM EST, contessa_carmilla@yahoo.com writes: << Might I ask what exactly is in mind when you say the phrase "average person"?Ok,really stupid question,yes I'm aware of that.Most of mine usualy are :) but I just want to make certain I don't misconstrue anything before I comment... thanks :) ~*~Joy~*~ >> If it is my little blurb you are referring to,please note that I said "average herd think clutterhead",not "average person".I can't think of a way to put it that might elucidate the meaning more clearly.............maybe I meant average dimbulb flesh-mesh of conditioned responses fritzling away in the cranium while "pondering" whether or not to punch me out but they don't really know if what I said was offensive to them personally or if it was just generally rude and maybe even deserving of a laugh.BTW,I was never pointing anything at you:-)...........and I even kinda' like people in general sometimes. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 21:55:45 GMT From: "Mari Kacey" Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? I'm not saying that we're "special" because we listen to Rasputina. I'm saying that I find it interesting that the people on this list tend to see the bigger picture. I don't know why, except to relate it to the old philosophy that musicians, or people who listen to more complicated music, actually tend to test better then people who aren't or don't. I'm not surprised, just interested, and I think it's nice. No big deals. Mari [DIRT] Squid ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:32:28 -0500 From: michele s hardeman Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? Message text written by INTERNET:KrodKnid@aol.com >Also BTW,Raspy fans do generally have more class and better taste than the average herd think clutterheads who scarf down the usual industry/productspawn fodder.< hm. i, in attendance at two seperate concerts, noticed nothing, GENERALLY SPEAKING different or special about rasputina fans. lot's of eyeliner, big black boots. a few fangs here and there.especially at the all ages show. class? reference my little diatribe concerning that dancing girl. or a young man who leaned way back and gave a woohoothey'resingingasong aboutpotheyi smokepot it'ssocoo itmakesme coolandthe bandi'mseeingsings aboutiti'msuchthebadassmf(didjanoticemyeyelinerandbondagecollarigotatthemal l?) yell when rasputina began sister sleep (which sounded wonderful live, with the drums et al) taste? two words: marilyn manson. hm. i probably shouldn't use that as an example. or switch them and i still say, it's not what a person listens to that makes them better than anyone else. again, again, i am speaking generally, from my own experiences. i've lost my train of thought. i'm sure you'll all have lots of fodder for me to retort to anyways. i like to smoke pot, m ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:37:55 -0500 From: michele s hardeman Subject: Re: review of toronto show squatters. two t's. and they most certainly are not dirty people. having been one, and currently good friends with an entire house of them, i feel obligated to defend the art of squatting. would homelessness be any less appalling if they were decked out in platform shoes and boas? while feathers are pretty warm, platform shoes aren't great for spending one's days wandering around the streets. they'd get stolen soon anyways. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 14:45:11 PST From: "Babbling Brooke" Subject: just felt like sharing hi my lovely friends and special ones, being of the nature that i like to tell people things, i just wanted to share that i got fully and completely stoned last night. its so very interesting how everything slows down and kind of ripples like when you throw a stone in a pond. hehehe...and i thought i had ever been high before... oh my amusing naive innocence. giggles and pot fumes, ~~Lori ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!!~!~!~!~!~! "This haunted face holds no horror for me now. It's in your soul that the true distortion lies." IM: Rasputeena ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:23:37 -0000 From: "Emma Siverson" Subject: where do we send our pages? I'm sure this question has already been answered, but I don't remember who was in charge of the album. Where, exactly do we send the page and money? Thanks, ~*~Lithia~*~ - --- Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:15:25 EST From: DaliAdore@aol.com Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? we're basically all fucken losers in one way or other and there's always someone who hates you, no matter what... and ANYONE who would think that everyone likes him/her is because he/she doesn't get around much... nobody's fucken completely special ... so why don't we all be fucken happy and concentrate on the happiness... or not.. whatever.. we can all hate each other too, but petty quarreling is lame and such... if anyone wants to make fun of somebody else... they better do it with the essentials... 1. tact 2. wit 3. intelligence 4. concision if you don't have these essential elements, then shut up and don't get into fights/quarrels on this list or anywhere else for that matter... that's about it.. goodbye drew (the one who'll grow up to be a morbid postman) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:41:32 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? In a message dated 2/6/99 7:22:23 PM EST, greegrrl@compuserve.com writes: << hm. i, in attendance at two seperate concerts, noticed nothing, GENERALLY SPEAKING different or special about rasputina fans. lot's of eyeliner, big black boots. a few fangs here and there.especially at the all ages show. class? reference my little diatribe concerning that dancing girl. >> Well,you were there:-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:44:17 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? In a message dated 2/6/99 7:22:23 PM EST, greegrrl@compuserve.com writes: << or switch them and i still say, it's not what a person listens to that makes them better than anyone else. >> Of course not.But a discriminating palette makes intellegent choices. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:48:19 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? In a message dated 2/6/99 7:22:23 PM EST, greegrrl@compuserve.com writes: << hm. i, in attendance at two seperate concerts, noticed nothing, GENERALLY SPEAKING different or special about rasputina fans. lot's of eyeliner, big black boots. a few fangs here and there.especially at the all ages show. >> Nothing against youth,but that last sentence should give you a clue as to this sort of behavior...........but still,our kids are better than theirs.......hehehe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 18:04:53 PST From: "Burgundy Wine" Subject: Re: shallow bitches hello, to be perfectly honest anatresia, the email you sent me doesn't even deserve a response. reread what i wrote. and then reread what you wrote. see the difference? i was criticizing your friend for being so materialistic and you try to hurt me by making fun of my taste in fashion. does that make any sense? stupid. bravo for sticking up for your friend but be a little more sensitive. hey mop and glow, i wasn't talking to you. quit bitchin already. >:/ what is with this list? comment after comment about stickers and corsets, kissing each other's ass, being so childish when someone has the nerve to say something that makes sense. keep patting yourselves on the back, maybe you'll actually convince yourselves that you're different from all the rest because you like rasputina. who else is stupid enough to be fooled? hey, here's the thing, why don't you vote for me to be kicked off this list and then you can continue making your stupid insults to chris for being fascist? shallow bitches. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 18:38:24 PST From: "Burgundy Wine" Subject: Re: shallow bitches to the nerds out there, you're doing a poor job of stealing my lines. it's amazing, everybody who tells me off writes something that sounds exactly like what i posted previously, or on the message board of the rasputina site. or even, when melora said, "i'd like to think our fans are kind people who like beautiful and interesting things. prove us right in little ways.", or something like that. at that point, you all shaped-up and became so kind, until you eventually digressed into the whiners you were before. some of you are very impressionable. . . i wish it were possible to influence you to have a mind of your own instead of being such mindless groupies. baa. hey, anatresia, how could you tell what sex i am and what i wear by a few words? stupid. who was it that wrote to me a month or two ago and said it was because they were bored? sorry i didn't respond, i lost the message. email me back if you want and we'll have a laugh or two. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 19:09:06 PST From: "Burgundy Wine" Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? i just read the thread, "have you ever looked at yourselves?". that gerard boy knows exactly what he's talking about, but how many times has someone with guts had to repeat that line before? listen to what he's saying instead of feeling so threatened by the words. we all know that's why you can't the criticism. this is my third post in one day, look at our vain attempts to get through to you here as a cry for help, because nobody with one shred of compassion could stand to let your stupid comments go without passing. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 22:58:36 -0500 From: michele s hardeman Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? Message text written by INTERNET:KrodKnid@aol.com >.but still,our kids are better than theirs.......< more interesting to look at, anyways.... as long as they grow up and out of it. black vinyl pants and mostly unbuttoned ruffly shirts and leetle fangs on a balding 40 yo just doesn't do it for me the way a 20 something in pvc does.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:27:17 -0500 From: michele s hardeman Subject: Re: Have you ever looked at yourselves? Message text written by INTERNET:KrodKnid@aol.com >The Raspy girls touted their fondness for cannabis themselves < yes, well, that brings us back to us and our (me and mine?) discriminating......palat? no, that's not right either. i think it's palate. *sigh* i wish i had a dictionary. and, intelligence. at least on my part ( re pot,i wasn't saying i wish i had intelligencei mean, i try, but...ah....) . it's allllll about intelligence. and humour. actually, at the ny show, these two guys was talkin' to me at the bar, (turned out they run...wind up records) asking why so many people there were gothy, and i said well, rasputina is an intelligent band. with complex, intelligent music. and , i think that on the whole, goths tend to be more intelligent than your average music listener. gothic music tends to be more complex, lyrically and musically. granted, we weren't all goths, and not all bands lumped under the label "gothic" are complex...etcetcetc, i was speaking generally. it has been my experience that, at least initially, intelligence and darkness go hand in hand. blah blah. i could go on and on. m (the same small little nothing m that tends to post on the official bbs, btw.) ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V3 #37 **************************