From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V3 #34 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Thursday, February 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- kafka ["Grandville Gerard" ] books [Heather Loresch ] Re: kafka [jason dismay ] Re: books [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: in the cd player... [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: review of toronto show [Tracy ] neil gaiman [NINMANSON1@aol.com] [goths]books{warning:l e n g t h y !} [Nahaliel@aol.com] Books! [KiNsAnItY@aol.com] cancelled cancelled cancelled [steve ] Books [Dupin ] Re: Books [Erica America ] Re: kafka ["Brigette Applewhite" ] Re: book [michele s hardeman ] rose k ["Lally Gal" ] RE: Books [Dupin ] very long book list ["Mari Kacey" ] Frank Zappa ["Mari Kacey" ] Re: book list ["IamLegend" ] Re: rose k [KiNsAnItY@aol.com] Re: not rasputina related, sorry! Book question.. ["Darrell Parham" ] [none] ["Darrell Parham" ] Re: Frank Zappa ["Darrell Parham" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 02:06:45 PST From: "Grandville Gerard" Subject: kafka >Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 23:58:17 -0500 >From: jason dismay >Subject: books > >Books I've read in the past month or two and enjoyed: >"The Metamorphosis" by Franz Kafka >Mr. Samsa is a cockroach. Actually, Gregor Samsa is a stag beetle. Something lost in the translation. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:12:45 -0600 (CST) From: Heather Loresch Subject: books I would reccommend anything by Jeanette Winterson, especially "The Passion" or "Art and Lies." My latest read is "The God of Small Things" by Arundathati (sp?) Roy, and so far it is wonderful. I prefer books that are beautifully worded, and have interesting stream of consciousness, so keep that in mind when considering my suggestions. I also recommend Tanith Lee. She writes something between fantasy and horror. Her coolest book, "Red as Blood: Tales from the Sisters Grimmer" is a collection of fairy tales rewritten to be darker. - -Heather - -- "The notion dies hard that in some sort of way exports are patriotic but imports are immoral." -Lord Harlech ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:29:20 -0500 From: jason dismay Subject: Re: kafka At 02:06 AM 2/3/99 PST, you wrote: >Actually, Gregor Samsa is a stag beetle. Something lost in the >translation. actually, what gregor samsa is is never said in the original text =) many people argue about whether he's a beetle, a bedbug, a cockroach, or just an unnamed bug. I like to think that he's a cockroach, mostly because even at his size, he's flat enough to fit under the couch =) that's all love, jason †•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••† † http://www.tir.com/~morpheus/ † †•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••† † "I AM IN FLAVOR COUNTRY" † † -pokey the penguin † †•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••† ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:52:46 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: books In a message dated 2/3/99 0:00:59 AM EST, morpheus@tir.com writes: << "Life is Elsewhere" by Milan Kundera the life of a poet, from conception to death >> "The Unbearable Lightness Of Being" guy?He is a great writer.He really is a doctor too.I have a collection of stories by him called "Laughable Loves" that is amazing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:03:29 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: in the cd player... In a message dated 2/3/99 0:01:57 AM EST, justlikeany1@yahoo.com writes: << Skinny Puppy VIVISECTVI (don't ask me how in the hell to say it) >> Looks like Vivisect-six.............as in a vivisection and Roman numeral six (VI)................vivisection being cutting open a live animal for pathological investigation,resulting in much pain for the animal...........hence,by common usage, any kind of detailed scrutiny that causes serious pain or discomfort to the one being investigated..........like this whole Clinton mess could be called a vivisection of his sex life. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:56:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tracy Subject: Re: review of toronto show Yes, I would have to say that dear old Mop got it right. There was this really drunk guy breathing all over us when we first got there and he was like "yeah- the show is still on" so we waited through this really bad barenaked ladies-esque band thinking everything was alright, but the dreadful feeling that they weren't there wouldn't go away so we asked a whole bunch of people if the ladies were playing and everyone was giving us different answers. Then finally we were informed that they had indeed cancelled. I was in shock, Mop tried to kill the Brian Setzer bartender and the whole situation sucked. We then left and walked around toronto, where we were offered everything from sex to drugs to puppies. Yes, we do want sympathy! I skipped the Cleveland show for this! Why'd they all have to get pregnant and cancel shows and quit? Tracy _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:09:34 EST From: NINMANSON1@aol.com Subject: neil gaiman Hey!! Since asking for book recommendations, and thanks to all the awesome replies i made quite a huge list, i saw lots of you like neil gaiman..now i may be an idiot and someone sent this on this list, im on too many i dont know which list sends what..but i think it was sent from a tori list, its pictures from neil gaimans current book tour, and more.. http://www.neilgaiman.com/visions.htm Sorry if its a repeat!! thanks everyone again!!!! love kat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:12:50 EST From: Nahaliel@aol.com Subject: [goths]books{warning:l e n g t h y !} i'm a lit major, i'm very thorough about these things. please don't kill me. here you go. The Unbearable Lightness of Being/ Milan Kundera -- someone already recommended him, and i second it wholeheartedly.. Unbearable Lightness... is by and far my favorite of his works, an absolutely beautiful and strange love story..sometimes his prose is a little heavy but it's worth it.. The Painted Bird/ Jerzy Kosinski -- a twisted violent perverse graphic very very disturbing novel about a lost little boy. haunting in its portrayal of children's capacities for violence. it's like you are compelled to read it as you go further, you find yourself not wanting to but it's as if someone is holding your head and forcing your eyes open. all of his books are amazing but read this one first. another very disturbing book: Sophie's Choice. Fear of Flying/ Erica Jong -- graphic fantasies and casual sex, yeah! there's less of that in the book than people think. it's more about a woman's search for herself, and more importantly, coming to terms with it. want to read a male telling of a search for self and sexual identity? try Tropic of Cancer, by Henry Miller. To The Lighthouse/ Virginia Woolf -- only some of the most moving, delicate, dreamlike stream of consciousness ever written. for feminist literatrue of the same period, try The Golden Notebook by Doris Lessing. White Noise/ Don DeLillo -- something i had to read in high school and was grateful for it. i would never have read it otherwise. about the frighteningly comfortable stagnation people settle into. extraordinary. additionally: *** i haven't been much for Anne Rice on the last few years, but i have to say that Feast of All Saints and Cry To Heaven are must reads. especially Feast of All Saints. *** if you're down with the philosophy tip then i'd recommend Nausea by Jean Paul Sartre, or Culture and Value, by Ludwig Wittgenstein. C and V is taken from his notebooks and is comprised of intriguing one liners on everything from love, to color, to music, to religion, etc... *** if i start on poetry i might never stop. oh well. a list of people i'd check out: Muriel Rukeyser, Diane Wakoski, e.e. cummings, Ranier Maria Rilke, Shakespeare, Emily Dickinson, Christina Rossetti, W.H. Auden, T.S. Eliot, Elizabeth Siddal, Mary Elizabeth Coleridge, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, H.D., Stevie Smith, Sylvia Plath, Anne Sexton, etc etc. "why don't you write books people can read?" Nora said to her husband. if you can tackle James Joyce's Ulysses, well, go read that too. i hope you find something you like. :D heart. jennifer. http://members.aol.com/nahaliel * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I would like to step out of my heart and go walking beneath the enormous sky. - -Rainer Maria Rilke * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:03:27 EST From: KiNsAnItY@aol.com Subject: Books! greets all, not much time to add them all but wanted to throw in a DEFINATE vote for anything by poppy z. brite... if you're into the bizzare, goth, or dark stuff, check anything by her out, lost souls (prob. my fav of hers), exquisite corpse... avoid love in vein I,II at first as they are collections of others works. also two of my favs, tom robbins, distorted view of reality and if you want to evoke some thought, anything by Kurt Vonnegut, sirens of titan being a great one... ~k ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:56:03 -0500 (EST) From: steve Subject: cancelled cancelled cancelled chicago is cancelled too, as is the valentines show in cali steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:57:04 -0500 From: Dupin Subject: Books hey guys..i thought id ask you all because we apparently have 1 thing in common, right? So does anyone have a book to recommend? I find myself wanting some book i can totally get lost in, im so sick of movies and television.. but i havent read a book i can be lost in in too long, so if anyone has a book to recommend Id really appreciate it! Im female if that makes a difference..thanks SO much guys!! Any recommendations would be very cool..thank you! kat [Dupin] I reccommend anything by Pat Conroy, Poppy Z. Brite, or Franseca Lia Block(though her books are more for teenagers...and since i don't know your age i can't decide). I read a book recently called the Bone Collector by Jeffery Deaver its a real good book... Kate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:34:59 -0800 (PST) From: Erica America Subject: Re: Books > Franseca Lia Block(though her books are more for teenagers...and since i don't know your age i can't decide). > I would have to disagree. I'm 25 and though I'm certainly a spaz for my age (ha), I adore Francesca Lia Block. I recommend Kate Chopin's The Awakening, because I'm finally getting around to reading it. Also The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath, Vurt and Pollen by Jeff Noon, A Girls Guide to Taking Over the World edited by Tristan Taormino and...um...offhand cant remember the other editors name (I'm in the book! whee!), Anne Sexton - A Self Portrait in Letters, The Bean Trees by Barbara Kingsolver, anything by Tom Robbins, anything by Margaret Atwood (The Handmaids Tale is my favorite), Cold Sassy Tree by Olive Ann Burns... *marla becomes immersed in staring at her bookcase and forgets to keep typing*... == ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "Expecting life to treat you well because you are a good person is like expecting an angry bull not to charge because you are a vegetarian." - Shari R. Barr http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone/ockle.htm http://members.tripod.com/~marlantigone/toriboot.htm _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:46:47 PST From: "Brigette Applewhite" Subject: Re: kafka actually after a grueling debate in my english class we found that gregor was not really a bug at all but merely a disconnected man. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:29:22 -0500 From: michele s hardeman Subject: Re: book Message text written by INTERNET:DaliAdore@aol.com >i would recommend Catcher in the Rye < ugh. no. franny and zooey. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:05:20 PST From: "Lally Gal" Subject: rose k hey all you fun folks, could someone with a really good memory or else a tape recorder tell me *exactly* what Melora said at the concert(s?) just before playing Rose K? something about lobotomizing her daughter...also does anyone know if thats really true, and maybe the details behind it? its been coming into my mind constantly at odd times all last week since the philly show... many tanks and great gratitude, ~~Lori ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:07:25 -0500 From: Dupin Subject: RE: Books I would have to disagree. I'm 25 and though I'm certainly a spaz for my age (ha), I adore Francesca Lia Block. [Dupin] *swoon* i have never in my entire life met someone who knows who Ms. Block is :) I can die happy now knowing that someone else adores her as i do :) Kate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 04:05:48 GMT From: "Mari Kacey" Subject: very long book list uh-oh. bad question. I love to read. here's what I can think of at the moment, but there are lots. if you're feeling introspective and don't care about plot: anything by Jack Kerouac (I esp. liked the Dharma Bums, but On the Road is good too) if you're up for a really long (but obsessive) non traditional fantasy series: The Chronicals of Amber by Roger Zelazny, the first book, Nine Princes in Amber, is a bit slow, but the second really gets going and then suddenly you find that you have to finish the series right away, or you just might die. A Clockwork Orange by Antony Burgess is truly classic. The language is hard at first (make sure your book has a glossary), and it's a wee bit violent if you don't expect it, but it's amazing writing. Everything that Francesca Lia Block wrote (Weetzie Bat, Witch Baby, Cherokee Bat and the Goat Guys, Missing Angel Juan, Baby Be-Bop, The Hanged Man, Ecstasia, Primavera, Girl Goddess #9). Her writing is fantastical, intricate, beautiful words. I love it. The Hanged Man, Ecstacia, and Primavera are my favorites, but they're hard to find. Like Water for Choclate by Laura Esquirel and Love in a Time of Cholera by Gabriel Garcia Marquez (Author of 100 yrs of Solitude) are both beautiful (both spanish-speaking authors) as is the poetry of Pablo Neruda. The Passion Dream Book by Whitney Otto is wonderfull as is Now You See Her (she wrote the american quilt book, but I haven't read it) The Last Slice of Rainbow and The Neclace of Raindrops (2 different books) of short stories by Joan Aiken are fairy tales for children, but very beautiful ideas. The second may be hard to find. Lost Souls by Poppy Z. Brite was fantastic (agreeing). Def. Anything by Ray Bradbury (his short stories are better), but I esp. liked The Illustrated Man and the Martian Chronicals and I Sing the Body Electric. He wrote tons of collections. Midnight Hour Encores by Bruce Brooks. Ah, here we go. Late teen cellist travels across country with former hippie dad to meet mother who abandoned her. Probably my all time favorite book. BITING sarcasam the whole way through (you'll understand it better if you're actually a musician, but it's great for everyone). Anything by Nick Bantock. They're beautifully illustrated (gorgeous) and the story lines are just ast good. I esp. like The Venetians Wife and The Forgetting Room, and the short stories in The Egyptian Jukebox are great too. Try to get them from the library, they can be expensive. The plays of Joan Anouilh are fantastic. Esp. his version of Antigone. Shakespeare obviously. Anything by Jane Yolen. Alice in Wonderland. Anthem by Ayn Rand. Anything by Loyd Alexander, Susan Cooper, Ann Rice. If you don't mind erotica (this stuff is pretty graphic), then The Delta of Venus by Anais Nin is great stuff. Don't let your parents see it (mine actually gave it to me, but then, they're strange), but the writing is excellent. Really be careful about this one though. Eva by Peter Dickinson made me think (long time ago) oh, and Memoires of a Mangy Lover by Groucho Marx is fun (frivolous). Sorry this is so long, but I do really love books. Mari [DIRT] Squid ps just hope that I don't remember anything else ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 04:10:21 GMT From: "Mari Kacey" Subject: Frank Zappa Just wondering (and this has nothing to do with anything), but does anyone besides me like Frank Zappa (ok, I obsess about Zappa, but you know what I mean). Thanks. Sorry to bother anybody. Mari [DIRT] Squid ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:50:42 -0500 From: "IamLegend" Subject: Re: book list I really haven't had much time to read for pleasure since I started going to college, but here is a list of my books I really like and reccomend.... So in no particular order : Naked Lunch- William S. Burroughs [drug-addled prose of much beauty, beyond me to describe] Heart of Darkness- Jospeh Conrad [Had to read for AP English, is one of my favorite books, symbolic on every level, very psycologically desterbing, yet awakening] Hamlet- Shakespear (duh) The Hobbit (i) The Fellowship of the Ring (ii) The Two Towers (iii) The Return of the King (iv) J.R.R. Tolkien [If you haven't heard of this series... suffice it to say it is THE standard that all fantasy has been measured by since it's publishing in 1955, more beautyful than any other book that exists] A Clockwork Orange- Anthony Burgess [Frightening, but at the same time so alluring that one can't put it down.] 1984-George Orwell [Like all of Orwell's work this biting and cynical look at the future is poingt and unlike most post-apocoliptic novels this one feels all to possible] Animal Farm- George Orwell- [Not the greatest book but it is cool how Orwell makes the Russian revolution into a child-like faeiry tale] The Gunslinger The Drawing of the Three The Wastelands Wizard and Glass- Stephen King [This series, I HIGHLY reccomend. I don't usually like Stephen King, but this series I think is really the only modern work which I think comes close to being literature.... It is enthralling and gorgeus] There are many more but I am kinda tired so I am going for now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:01:49 EST From: KiNsAnItY@aol.com Subject: Re: rose k greets, wasn't there, wish i was, but yes... can't remember which, but they gave one of the kennedy daughters a lobodomy or two.... ~k ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:54:16 PST From: "Darrell Parham" Subject: Re: not rasputina related, sorry! Book question.. >hey guys..i thought id ask you all because we apparently have 1 thing in >common, right? So does anyone have a book to recommend? I find myself wanting >some book i can totally get lost in, im so sick of movies and television.. but >i havent read a book i can be lost in in too long, so if anyone has a book to >recommend Id really appreciate it! Im female if that makes a >difference..thanks SO much guys!! Any recommendations would be very >cool..thank you! kat > I thougth I'd recommend Anne Rices Vampire Chronicles. If you want to read something not series related may I suggest Faust by Wolfgang Von Goethe or maybe Paradise Lost by John Milton. Another al time favorite of min is The Stand by Steven King. The Stand is much better than the cheap miniseries that was made from it.Just my suggestions. ~Angel Falling ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 00:19:27 PST From: "Darrell Parham" Subject: books I know I already posted some titles but heres some more anyway. For somethign sad try The Plague Dogs by Richard Adams For somethign to give you perspective on humanity try The lives of the monster dogs by Kirsten Bakis For some psychology try The road less travelles by Scott Peck. For some religious philosophy try The Cat in the hat by Dr Suess But one of teh best series of all time was the three books Titan, The Wizard, and Demon by John Varley (highly recommended) Just let me knwo if I ever get too anoying. ~Angel Falling ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 00:21:08 PST From: "Darrell Parham" Subject: [none] Oh yeah I forgot. A good read for those romantics out there... Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 00:29:11 PST From: "Darrell Parham" Subject: Re: Frank Zappa >Just wondering (and this has nothing to do with anything), but does >anyone besides me like Frank Zappa (ok, I obsess about Zappa, but you >know what I mean). > >Thanks. Sorry to bother anybody. >Mari [DIRT] Squid > I like Zappa. Do you perhaps raise dental floss in montana? ~Angel Falling ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V3 #34 **************************