From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V2 #202 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Monday, December 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 202 Today's Subjects: ----------------- hello Rasputina fans ["dark angel" ] Re: hello Rasputina fans ["ella Estrell" ] Fwd: Re: hello Rasputina fans ["dark angel" ] Re: hello Rasputina fans [Wrygel@aol.com] Re: hello Rasputina fans [Anitra33@aol.com] Sheesh, and an apology [foxmulder@juno.com (Chris L Smith)] [to all morons] ["Burgundy Wine" ] Re: Sheesh, and an apology ["Burgundy Wine" ] Re: Sheesh, and an apology ["dark angel" ] Re: hello Rasputina fans [Posby ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 10:45:45 PST From: "dark angel" Subject: hello Rasputina fans Dearest Rasputina fans, Hello, I am Chris, the newest member of your fine establishment. Let me tell you a little about myself, even though I'm very uninteresting to hear about and you probably have better things to do, fare raspy fans. I live in Cheektowaga, NY and work at a Media Play. I don't technically work there anymore because I only was hired because my best friend works there and it was onnly for the holidays, but I still go in and see if they need me to work. I got into Rasputina because theres these 2 fair maidens that both love them and listen to them and I figured that no band that they listen to could be bad so I bought the CD. Its very pretty and too wonderful for my incapable mind and ugly face to even listen to. I think that to listen to Rasputina you must be as beautiful as the music itself, which is why I'm going to go listen to the Barenaked Ladies now. I'll be an in-the-closet Rasputina fan as to not offend any of the beautiful smrt fans. Goodbye! I love to talk so PLEASE personally e-mail me! the stupid fa idiot, Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:19:59 PST From: "ella Estrell" Subject: Re: hello Rasputina fans >Dearest Rasputina fans, > > Hello, I am Chris, the newest member of your fine >establishment. Let me tell you a little about myself, even though I'm >very uninteresting to hear about and you probably have better things to >do, fare raspy fans. > I live in Cheektowaga, NY and work at a Media Play. I don't >technically work there anymore because I only was hired because my best >friend works there and it was onnly for the holidays, but I still go in >and see if they need me to work. > I got into Rasputina because theres these 2 fair maidens that >both love them and listen to them and I figured that no band that they >listen to could be bad so I bought the CD. Its very pretty and too >wonderful for my incapable mind and ugly face to even listen to. I >think that to listen to Rasputina you must be as beautiful as the music >itself, which is why I'm going to go listen to the Barenaked Ladies now. >I'll be an in-the-closet Rasputina fan as to not offend any of the >beautiful smrt fans. > Goodbye! I love to talk so PLEASE personally e-mail me! > >the stupid fa idiot, >Chris > I too am new here and just would like to say hello. sorry for the one liner... -kyle- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:58:20 PST From: "dark angel" Subject: Fwd: Re: hello Rasputina fans >From sukovich@scsn.net Sun Dec 27 11:35:52 1998 >Received: from minerva ([206.222.119.145]) by mail.scsn.net > (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) > ID# 0-41950U6000L1100S0) with SMTP id AAA241 > for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:26:01 - -0500 >Message-ID: <000e01be31d1$0ddee570$9177dece@minerva> >From: sukovich@scsn.net (Michael Sukovich) >To: "dark angel" >Subject: Re: hello Rasputina fans >Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:42:35 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > >>Dearest Rasputina fans, >> >> Hello, I am Chris, the newest member of your fine >>establishment. Let me tell you a little about myself, even though I'm >>very uninteresting to hear about and you probably have better things to >>do, fare raspy fans. > > > At least pretend to have some self esteem, and quit whining. > >> I got into Rasputina because theres these 2 fair maidens that >>both love them and listen to them and I figured that no band that they >>listen to could be bad so I bought the CD. Its very pretty and too >>wonderful for my incapable mind and ugly face to even listen to. I >>think that to listen to Rasputina you must be as beautiful as the music >>itself, which is why I'm going to go listen to the Barenaked Ladies now. >>I'll be an in-the-closet Rasputina fan as to not offend any of the >>beautiful smrt fans. > > > Beautiful? Smart? Umm, you really /are/ new to the list. It's music, >you fucked up moron. You listen to it and enjoy it. You don't fucking >whine about how you're not good enough to listen to it. Now get a bit of >selfesteem, and stop posting this shit. > >> Goodbye! I love to talk so PLEASE personally e-mail me! >> >>the stupid fa idiot, >>Chris > > > -Michael (Have I mentioned I hate goths?) > > WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN?!!!? I'm not doing this to be goth, i'm really like that! I really do have no self-esteem and I really DO want to die because i'm fat and stupid and everybody hates me. Its people like you who make me cry. Are all rasputina fans like this? I know my two lovely lady friends aren't, but they probably are behind my back when i'm not around because thats just how people act around me. I hate myself and I want to die. Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:11:51 EST From: Wrygel@aol.com Subject: Re: hello Rasputina fans In a message dated 12/27/98 6:01:53 PM Central Standard Time, bloated_chaos@hotmail.com writes: > WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN?!!!? I'm not doing this to be goth, i'm really like > that! I really do have no self-esteem and I really DO want to die > because i'm fat and stupid and everybody hates me. Its people like you > who make me cry. > Are all rasputina fans like this? I know my two lovely lady > friends aren't, but they probably are behind my back when i'm not around > because thats just how people act around me. I hate myself and I want > to die. > > Chris Oh my gosh, are you a morbid rebellious teen going through some self-image turmoil? That explains everything. How dippy can these 'goth' kids be? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:50:23 EST From: Anitra33@aol.com Subject: Re: hello Rasputina fans Wow, you really don't need to be quite so harsh. I think this new person, Chris, has a confidence problem (and I am surprised to find someone with less confidence than myself), but you don't need to make it worse. But Chris, you shouldn't pity yourself so much.. I know I still have a lot of "teenage pain" to go through so I'm not the *best* person to be saying this (I'm 14) but however dramatic it seems to be, know that it isn't the end of the world. If you want to be happy, take steps towards it rather than wallowing in your sadness and self-pity. This sounds like a cheesy infomercial, but I've been a really unhappy person until just recently.. I've lost 30 pounds (thank you mr. atkins) and gained some confidence and some prettier clothes. They aren't the key to happiness, but be good to yourself and whatever. Music gets us through our hard times (at least it gets me through them). And hey, 'goth' shouldn't be a negative term.. I'm not really goth, but people generally think I am since I wear dark colors, have dark hair, and don't go to the tanning salon.. but 'goth' people are some of the most honest, kind, and sincere people I've ever met. The people I met when I saw Marilyn Manson were a million times nicer than those Dave Matthews Band followers who are supposed to be all about peace and friendship, yet are total jerks. Samantha In a message dated 98-12-27 19:15:10 EST, Wrygel@aol.com writes: << > WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN?!!!? I'm not doing this to be goth, i'm really like > that! I really do have no self-esteem and I really DO want to die > because i'm fat and stupid and everybody hates me. Its people like you > who make me cry. > Are all rasputina fans like this? I know my two lovely lady > friends aren't, but they probably are behind my back when i'm not around > because thats just how people act around me. I hate myself and I want > to die. > > Chris Oh my gosh, are you a morbid rebellious teen going through some self-image turmoil? That explains everything. How dippy can these 'goth' kids be? >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:01:09 EST From: foxmulder@juno.com (Chris L Smith) Subject: Sheesh, and an apology Hi all- Am I the only one in Christmas spirit? What about that Sesame Street song..."Keep Christmas With You"..... I want to issue an apology to Chris on behalf of the Goths, for being harassed by another member of our group for purely a single, friendly posting. Michael has been...how can I put it...rather hostile to many of us for a while, and he has been warned in the past. While I would hate to single anyone out, when one member initiates a hostile attack on another...it's time to bid him farewell. And so Michael will no longer be a member of the Goths. I hope everyone understands that it is because of repeated, intentional actions, that he has been removed; this final incident just tops it all off. Our list is for "goths" and "non-goths" alike. Our list is a place to freely speack one's mind, never a place where one might be flamed for his or her opinions, and I hope eveyrone respects this in the future. Chris, I apologize on behalf of the Goths, and I assure you that the hostile feelings of a misaligned ex-member doesn't influence your opinion of us as a whole. Happy New Year! Chris My new Christmas CDs: Cat Power - from Australian 98 tour (great, up-and-coming band!) Soul Coughing - El oso Vic Chesnutt - The Salesman and Bernadette Tracy Chapman - New Beginning ________________________________________________________________ Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use from Juno, the world's second largest online service. Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:31:27 PST From: "Burgundy Wine" Subject: [to all morons] hey morons, shut your fucking traps. don't you know it's more fun to make fun of smug cowards (like you) than to crush somebody who hasn't got a clue? the guy has a self-confidence problem, we all know what he's talking about so why would you want to turn on your own kind? let me tell you this while i spit in your faces: why would you post insults to him over the whole goths list if you're not trying to look smart in front of your loser peers? there's a difference between being honest and being a rude cunt. fuck off. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:48:49 PST From: "Burgundy Wine" Subject: Re: Sheesh, and an apology great, i just told off somebody and they weren't even here. he's not so much hostile as much looking to impress, in all probability. chris, you're definitely very reasonable but, in my opinion, being kicked off won't solve it and i'm generally opposed to that tactic. after all, he could come back under a different email address and do the same thing if he wanted to anyway. couldn't we just all make fun of him while he was here? you know you all want to. >:) anyway, i just thought i should make the small comment. chris, you should get "forever" by cranes (hey, they're really good all of you) "split" by lush (do any of you like them?) and i have to say that i think i do like the rufus wainwright album. i'm not sure you others would though, but it's honest and slightly touching if you're interested. byebye ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:02:29 PST From: "dark angel" Subject: Re: Sheesh, and an apology Dear List, I would like to say that I am sorry. I never should've joined the list in the 1st place and kept everything to myself just like I alwasy do. I wanted to see if i could be a part of something and thought that since this is over the Computer I wouldn't be outcasted--ESPICALLY amongst Rasputina fans--but I was. As far as everybody saying that I have 'teen angsst' and such feelings, I just wanted to say that I am 24. I might consider staying on the list but I probably won't. Thank you so much to everyone that mailed me with kind words, not everyone was mean. Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:30:19 -0800 (PST) From: Posby Subject: Re: hello Rasputina fans On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 Anitra33@aol.com wrote: > And hey, 'goth' shouldn't be a negative term.. I'm not really goth, but people > generally think I am since I wear dark colors, have dark hair, and don't go to > the tanning salon.. but 'goth' people are some of the most honest, kind, and > sincere people I've ever met. The people I met when I saw Marilyn Manson were > a million times nicer than those Dave Matthews Band followers who are supposed > to be all about peace and friendship, yet are total jerks. > it's because many goths hide behind a guise of bitterness and loathing of the world, when in reality they are sweet and wonderful when you get past the walls. then again, some of them are just as backstabbingly stupid and mean as anyone else. better to find out what hides beneath the surface is kindness, than to think someone is wonderful when all it really is is fake sincerity. I do long for the days before goth became such the thing for rebellious kids. but that will never happen. i think it was during the whole grunge thing that a bunch of us were shuddering at the thought of what would happen if goth ever became the new trend. oh well. at least I can find decent clothes ;) and it's giving a little more freedom for self expression to the little ones who might be finding out sooner than later that they like good music and literature and decadent fabrics :) and about jumping down the newbie's throat. all i can say is get a LIFE. there must be more constructive things that you can do with your time. - -Posbina ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V2 #202 ***************************