From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V2 #118 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Sunday, August 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 118 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Goths - my opinion of HWQTF [GishDrown@aol.com] manson influence [riley ] Re: manson influence [tobias grrrlie ] Re: manson influence [jukejointjez@juno.com (Michelle M Ferraro)] Re: influence ["Burgundy Wine" ] Re: manson influence [FLSD68E@prodigy.com (MORPHEUS FIVE)] Re: manson influence [candlesdie@juno.com (marcescent robert.)] Re: manson influence [DaliAdore@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:54:46 EDT From: GishDrown@aol.com Subject: Goths - my opinion of HWQTF ok maybe not many people like this album but imho it is better than the first. i love the techno and guitar loops around the backgrounds, but the same story lines and beautiful lyrics. my favorites are the new zero, watch tv, how we quit the forest, rose k, sign of the zodiac, her girls of birkenau, things im gonna do... yeah i know those are basically all the tracks, but they are all so great. i used to listen to manson religiously (since then grown out of it) and yes leechwife is definitely manson-ish. i wouldnt say that about trenchmouth though just because it has guitars in the beginning. i would say that this album is their strongest so far.. and if it continues to get better by each album.. id love to hear the next album. one bad thing.. most songs are from 2 minutes - 3 minutes... i prefer longer 5 minute - 6 minute songs.. but thats just the beauty of the smashing pumpkins.. i guess raspy is more into short songs. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:09:47 -0500 (EST) From: riley Subject: manson influence hi, i dont think leechwife, etc, is entirely manson's influence. dont forget chris vrenna produced the record, and he had a lot to do with it. does anyone know who critter is? he mixed the album. perhaps he had someting to do with it as well. riley * Buildings Burn, People Die, But Real Love Is Forever * * riley manion * * darcy@bluemarble.net * * vrykolaka * * beware of all those angels with their wings glued on * ..You Make Me Want To Eat Chocolate.. ^^ http://www.bluemarble.net/~darcy/riley2.html ^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: tobias grrrlie Subject: Re: manson influence probably not *entirely*, but definately some. it is more "hard core", although i'm not sure how hard core cellos are, but there is something more... like more creepy sounding about cellos then anything else, even dove-biting metal singers... - ---riley wrote: > > > hi, > > i dont think leechwife, etc, is entirely manson's influence. dont forget > chris vrenna produced the record, and he had a lot to do with it. > does anyone know who critter is? he mixed the album. perhaps he had > someting to do with it as well. > > riley > > > * Buildings Burn, People Die, But Real Love Is Forever * > > * riley manion * * darcy@bluemarble.net * * vrykolaka * > > * beware of all those angels with their wings glued on * > > ..You Make Me Want To Eat Chocolate.. > > ^^ http://www.bluemarble.net/~darcy/riley2.html ^^ > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:13:44 -0700 From: jukejointjez@juno.com (Michelle M Ferraro) Subject: Re: manson influence On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:09:47 -0500 (EST) riley writes: > >hi, > >i dont think leechwife, etc, is entirely manson's influence. dont >forget >chris vrenna produced the record, and he had a lot to do with it. >does anyone know who critter is? he mixed the album. perhaps he had >someting to do with it as well. > >riley > i don't think manson had anything to do with it either. and critter is one of the main men from the band ministry, knowing ministry's music he might have had an influence on the girls. bloody kisses. michelle _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:49:56 PDT From: "Burgundy Wine" Subject: Re: influence i don't think it's too much of anyone's influence. melora stated that she was using blacksabath style to give her ideas on loops: hearing that she liked the remixes done by mm, i think that this style was exactly what she intended. she's experimenting with loops and having fun with a harder sound, i think. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:26:56, -0500 From: FLSD68E@prodigy.com (MORPHEUS FIVE) Subject: Re: manson influence Chris Vrenna stated in an interview that "LeechWife" was intended to be "super over-the-top, like tongue-in-cheek metal." So i doubt it has anything to do with Manson. While we're on the subject of the differences in the two albums, I'd like to toss out some opinions... I love both albums for different reasons. "..Ether" is amazing with it's strings and victorian feel. It totally transports me to some time that never really existed, where cellos and rock and roll and corsets go hand in hand in hand. It's beautiful. "...Forest." Is a really cool mix of electronic noise and the familiar cellos, Melora's sense of humor, and Raputina's traditional historical commentary. It's like a Casio-cheesy update of what they did on the last album. It's cute and fun, without losing the feel of Rasputina. I like both of the albums, and i could never say i liked one more than the other. It just depends on what mood i'm in at the moment. Switchblade Symphony changed their sound between albums, and much the same thing happened with people choosing sides. Some liked the feel of the first album, some liked their new electronic sound. I like them both, for different reasons. As with Rasputina, some days i feel like listening to the new stuff, other days i go back to the original. Just wait 'til Rasputina's 3rd comes out, i wonder how that will sound. ;) And yes, i'm new here..... ____ - -FifthDream ...all around me darkness gathers, fading is the sun that shone; we must speak of other matters: you can be me when i'm gone..... http://pages.prodigy.com/FifthDream/ featuring Switchblade Symphony, the Cure, NIN, Prick, Poppy Z. Brite, Vampyres. u can be all goth some of the time, or some goth all of the time, but u can't be all goth all of the time... ..i sometimes even tried to catch her, but never even caught her name. .. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:50:46 -0400 From: candlesdie@juno.com (marcescent robert.) Subject: Re: manson influence On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:26:56, -0500 FLSD68E@prodigy.com (MORPHEUS FIVE) writes: >Chris Vrenna stated in an interview that "LeechWife" was intended to >be "super over-the-top, like tongue-in-cheek metal." So i doubt it >has anything to do with Manson. Sure sounds like M----- to me. ;) > Switchblade Symphony changed their sound between albums, and >much the same thing happened with people choosing sides. Some liked >the feel of the first album, some liked their new electronic sound. I >like them both, for different reasons. Ick. If Rasputina's second album sounds remotely like anything like SS's second, let me fall deaf prior to hearing it. >And yes, i'm new here..... Welcome. >____ >-FifthDream >...all around me darkness gathers, fading is the sun that shone; >we must speak of other matters: you can be me when i'm gone..... > >http://pages.prodigy.com/FifthDream/ >featuring Switchblade Symphony, the Cure, NIN, Prick, Poppy Z. Brite, >Vampyres. > >u can be all goth some of the time, or some goth all of the time, but >u can't be all goth all of the time... > >..i sometimes even tried to catch her, but never even caught her name. This .sig is just a *mite* long, don't you think? (Exeunt.) - -robert. |"A poem cannot heal a wound | AOLIM : marcescent | Books won't help you find | marcescent@juno.com | That something which you're searching for | | But just add questions to the mind" | | 'Poets Turmoil No. 364', Anne Clark | _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:31:45 EDT From: DaliAdore@aol.com Subject: Re: manson influence In a message dated 8/22/98 4:50:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, candlesdie@juno.com writes: << This .sig is just a *mite* long, don't you think? >> what do you mean?? and if you're even remotely criticizing the cure...i'll hunt you down and take off your head!! ; ) i guess this is really off topic, but um...sorry if you guys oppose...i just had to say it but otherwise, i kinda agree with how flsd feels... i guess it really does depend on the mood...and even the smashing pumpkins changed there style... so, i guess then that makes it all right!! i still adamantly believe that "ether" is just ONE BIG LONG SONG with shirtwaist fire being the cherry on top, so to speak... anyway...peace, love, and empathy go the cure!!! drew ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V2 #118 ***************************