From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V2 #117 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Saturday, August 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 117 Today's Subjects: ----------------- hi... [tobias grrrlie ] [none] [Happy Fantom ] ... [DaliAdore@aol.com] Re: [Lori ] Re: ... [tobias grrrlie ] Re: [Twiglet667@aol.com] Re: reply to drew ["Burgundy Wine" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:25:56 -0700 (PDT) From: tobias grrrlie Subject: hi... i just joined the mailing list today. my name is sarah...i go by tobias. i've been into rasputina for a few months. i have their old cd, and i have listened to the sound clips on rasputina.com but i will get the cd next month (when i actually have money) i was just wondering, is melora singing on the diamond mind song? it sounds like either someone from new jersey, or melora is good with accents. thanks. please don't flame me, i was just wondering. ~tobias _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Happy Fantom Subject: [none] i also got a rasputina promo from that contest thing! it is soooo cool! maybe everyone who entered won? they didnt even notify me that i won, so you could imagine my joy when i opened it an the first thing i saw was a cello:) toriniss, steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:09:47 EDT From: DaliAdore@aol.com Subject: ... sorry i didn't have a cool heading or anything to catch you guys' attention or anything but aren't the dots always so muy misterioso?? anyway....this is my first time posting though i've been on the list for a while.. the name's drew and you can all call me drew.... anyway, i just felt i would give my 2 cents on how i feel about "thanks for the ether" and "how we quit the forest" i admit that i'm not a bloody rasputina expert/worshipper/ adorer as i am with the smashing pumpkins, so if you want to get mad at me...please feel free to do so ; ) anyway, here we are someone once mentioned that "how we quit the forest" got fairly decent ratings while people really tore up "thanks for the ether" i think that this is so because (though one may call it an attempt at moving into the mainstream of music) the newer album really had a lot more variety and you can really feel for a broader variety of influences which almost always makes the music better... they still have their hauntingly morbid displays of "madness" and "concrete irrationality" as salvador dali, the great surrealist painter, put it along with some more maybe "angry" songs for lack of a better word... i feel that this puts them on a higher pedestal musically and lyrically and more susceptible to praise from critics... "thanks for the ether" on the other hand simply had morbid songs topping it off with "shirtwaist fire", the epitome of this "concrete irrationality" and it being song number, there really wasn't much to look forward to in the album after that... the spoken tracks are very original and contain humorous anecdotes not really done before by other artists, but other than that it seems like the entire album is just ONE song...going on and on simply with different small minor "movements" and differences, like in a classical sonata or something like that... personally, i just feel that it is really very one dimensional and lacks proper portrayal of the musical genius i know melora contains from listening to "how we quit the forest" ... i really enjoy the morbitity of "thanks for the ether" and i like all the songs on it, but i just guess on a more critical standpoint "how we quit the forest" is just so much more emotionally touching and mature of an album than rasputina's first one... that's all i really have to say and since EVERYBODY is putting in what their favorite trakcs are...i'll do the same... mine are "the new zero" (can you guess why) and "rose k" , both very beautiful songs.... so, until next time: peace, love, and empathy drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:17:36 -0500 From: Lori Subject: Re: Happy Fantom wrote: > > i also got a rasputina promo from that contest thing! it is soooo cool! > maybe everyone who entered won? > > they didnt even notify me that i won, so you could imagine my joy when i > opened it an the first thing i saw was a cello:) > > toriniss, > steve Something weird is going on because it isn,t supposed to end until Aug.31st. Oh Well, Lucky you. -Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: tobias grrrlie Subject: Re: ... see now i don't find thanks for the ether at all morbid. i think it gets haunting, sure, but there's a difference. rasputina and portishead are haunting; when you break your arm and show everyone the bone sticking out, now that's morbid. also, if anybody has ever heard the 'secret song; on living in clip by ani difranco, disc 2, you know that other musicians are infamous for their 'spoken word' thingys, well, with ani it's between song thingys. i hate to get off topic... anyway from the sound clips i have heard, i think i will still like tfte better... ~tobias grrrl - ---DaliAdore@aol.com wrote: > > sorry i didn't have a cool heading or anything to catch you guys' attention or > anything but aren't the dots always so muy misterioso?? anyway....this is my > first time posting though i've been on the list for a while.. the name's drew > and you can all call me drew.... anyway, i just felt i would give my 2 cents > on how i feel about "thanks for the ether" and "how we quit the forest" i > admit that i'm not a bloody rasputina expert/worshipper/ adorer as i am with > the smashing pumpkins, so if you want to get mad at me...please feel free to > do so ; ) anyway, here we are > > someone once mentioned that "how we quit the forest" got fairly decent ratings > while people really tore up "thanks for the ether" i think that this is so > because (though one may call it an attempt at moving into the mainstream of > music) the newer album really had a lot more variety and you can really feel > for a broader variety of influences which almost always makes the music > better... they still have their hauntingly morbid displays of "madness" and > "concrete irrationality" as salvador dali, the great surrealist painter, put > it along with some more maybe "angry" songs for lack of a better word... i > feel that this puts them on a higher pedestal musically and lyrically and more > susceptible to praise from critics... > > "thanks for the ether" on the other hand simply had morbid songs topping it > off with "shirtwaist fire", the epitome of this "concrete irrationality" and > it being song number, there really wasn't much to look forward to in the album > after that... the spoken tracks are very original and contain humorous > anecdotes not really done before by other artists, but other than that it > seems like the entire album is just ONE song...going on and on simply with > different small minor "movements" and differences, like in a classical sonata > or something like that... personally, i just feel that it is really very one > dimensional and lacks proper portrayal of the musical genius i know melora > contains from listening to "how we quit the forest" ... i really enjoy the > morbitity of "thanks for the ether" and i like all the songs on it, but i just > guess on a more critical standpoint "how we quit the forest" is just so much > more emotionally touching and mature of an album than rasputina's first one... > > that's all i really have to say and since EVERYBODY is putting in what their > favorite trakcs are...i'll do the same... mine are "the new zero" (can you > guess why) and "rose k" , both very beautiful songs.... > > so, until next time: peace, love, and empathy > > > drew > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:40:49 EDT From: Twiglet667@aol.com Subject: Re: In a message dated 8/21/98 8:20:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ljscrogg@netnitco.net writes: > > Something weird is going on because it isn,t supposed to end until > Aug.31st. Oh Well, Lucky you. > You want weird? When I tried to e-mail in my entry a few days ago, it sent the mail back to me saying that the account doesnt exist. I tried again. Same thing happened. Of course, that made me very pissy *sigh* Oh well, to repeat Rachel : Lucky you. ~Frances ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:56:34 PDT From: "Burgundy Wine" Subject: Re: reply to drew this to drew: i took your email as a response to my own so here are a few brief words. i completely understand what you say about thanks for the ether being excessively morbid as well as less concise in song structure than the new one. however, as far as personal taste goes, i completely disagree. it's true, shirtwaist fire is morbid come to think of it, but i must honestly say that i never thought about that. in fact, i found it very moving because it punctuates loss of innocence with tragedy: does anyone else feel the same way? that a lot of rasputina is innocence and tragedy. which makes it easy to relate to. it doesn't surprise me that thanks for the ether received crap reviews, and it never surprised me that everyone i knew who heard of them hated it completely. though, i don't agree on that one either and i don't think it would make a difference if i attempted to illustrate what i mean. it should be obvious. as far as analysis of the albums, it's true, the newer one has more range, though not necessarily more strength, and it's much cleaner and. . . packaged. not to my preference, and i hope you don't misinterpret that as the usual artsy loser bullshit where everything has to be different. i just relate better to the previous works. all in all, i respect your tastes, and to give back a few thoughts in all honesty, i think you understand the first album much less than you think. or maybe you just relate better with the more concise style. these new spoken words are no improvement on the previous. > >someone once mentioned that "how we quit the forest" got fairly decent ratings >while people really tore up "thanks for the ether" i think that this is so who cares. people have their own opinions. >for a broader variety of influences which almost always makes the music >better... mmm, no. they still have their hauntingly morbid displays of "madness" and >"concrete irrationality" as salvador dali, the great surrealist painter, put strange, i actually am bored by salvador dali. he's alright, but there are so many brilliant artists. . . he did coin surrealism, but he's not my thing i guess. >feel that this puts them on a higher pedestal musically and lyrically and more >susceptible to praise from critics... well, of course they would be more susceptible to it, that's stating the obvious. > >"thanks for the ether" on the other hand simply had morbid songs topping it >off with "shirtwaist fire", the epitome of this "concrete irrationality" and you know, you'd probably make a good music critic, cos your analysis is very similar to what i hear all the time in music magazines. give NME or rolling stone a call. >seems like the entire album is just ONE song...going on and on simply with >different small minor "movements" and differences, like in a that's what i'm told. classical sonata >or something like that... personally, i just feel that it is really very one >dimensional and lacks proper portrayal of the musical genius i know melora >contains from listening to "how we quit the forest" really? you know drew, we're complete opposites! >more emotionally touching and mature of an album than rasputina's first one... really? you know drew, we're complete opposites! i just realize how nasty i sound to you: trust me drew, i'm just being upfront about my take on the music, and sometimes, i admit, i take it personally (of course, everyone does). i appreciate hearing this email and your honest opinions. by the way, i used to be a smashing pumpkins fanatic (before melloncollie). what else do you listen to? take care. burgundy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V2 #117 ***************************