From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V2 #62 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Friday, June 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: *squeak!* [Desdem0na ] Re: goths-digest V2 #60 [Desdem0na ] Slowdive [Laura McCutchan ] Re: perfect combo [Laura McCutchan ] Re: perfect combo ["Shayna Nova Borenstein" ] Re: perfect combo ["Shayna Nova Borenstein" ] The Goths - LR (list related) & usual babble [GishDrown@aol.com] Re: perfect combo [Nahaliel@aol.com] Re: Depression and goths ["Shayna Nova Borenstein" Subject: Re: *squeak!* hmm..I have a sailor mercury keychain and I painted her in art class. I like anime too. =) Just a little bit of useless info. luv, Julie On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Sailor Mercury wrote: > Just so everyone knows... I'm a skater > > hehe, i like punk music, operation ivy is one of my favorite bands, i > think some goths are full of crap too, but i think that the other ones > are cool, i have no skater friends, but that's all right, i have one > goth friend, he's cool, it doesn't matter what you are, as long as > you're yourself... Ok, bye now, everyone can hate me now, I'm also > obsessed with sailor mercury, and anime is cool... i already > introduced myself, but i didn't do a very good job, i just think that > people should get off the goth thing cause as long as people are real > and not skanks who try to be different than everything is good > > Meghan McKibbon > == > I am SAILOR MERCURY, my friends call me a bookworm... > > MERCURY BUBBLES BLAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:49:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Desdem0na Subject: Re: goths-digest V2 #60 hey all, I wanted to know if anyone bought the sp cd and if so, is it good? I'm thinking about buying it. Also, I saw SP and Garbage In Buffalo, NY and the show kicked ass. Just thought I'd let ya know. On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 Fury318@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-06-03 04:02:36 EDT, you write: > > << i think that the perfect combo would be > Rasputina as the opening band and the smashing pumpkins as the main band. >> > > A little off of the Rasputina subject but I want to say that I like Smashing > Pumpkins. However, I saw them play a live show at Pine Knob in Pontiac,MI and > it was not all that. Their overuse of distortion and their need to be twice as > loud as the band on stage before them not make for a good act. This venue has > the best sound system I have heard at any concert but the vocals were > unrecognizable and the guitars were just a smeared blob of noise. I had to > struggle to make out which song was being performed. This was a festival show > with many bands and SP was the only set that didn't sound just great. I was a > little disapointed. > ~Joey~ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:23:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Laura McCutchan Subject: Slowdive > afternoon..Slowdive was in the cute band alert once..speaking of which, they > could reunite just in time for my imaginary birthday party..and Dean Wareham > could be my date....good lord, could i be any more off topic.. God, I love them! If only they were together again! I would love to see them live! (Besides, the drummer's last name is McCutchan, so how can you go wrong!) HAHAHAHAHA!!!! If you love Slowdive, you should seriously check out Bowery Electric. They're like if slowdive was slower... it's beautiful. Laura - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mistress McCutchan, the Ethereal Orchid Girl & Editor of Morbid Outlook - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.parsons.edu/~lauram/morbidities/LM__HTML/ lauram@parsons.edu or morbidoutlook@hotmail.com Snail Mail: P.O. Box 838, 128 East Broadway, New York, NY 10002-9998. "see in black and white feel in slow motion, drown myself in sorrow, until i wake up tomorrow" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:29:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Laura McCutchan Subject: Re: perfect combo > p.s. -- a frisson, for anyone not in the know, is defined as a brief moment of > emotional excitement. I prefer to use it as a nicer synonym for a feeling akin > to what those loony frenchmen call "la petit mort." OH be blunt, for fuck's sake... we know you want to say "orgasmic"! Laura - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mistress McCutchan, the Ethereal Orchid Girl & Editor of Morbid Outlook - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.parsons.edu/~lauram/morbidities/LM__HTML/ lauram@parsons.edu or morbidoutlook@hotmail.com Snail Mail: P.O. Box 838, 128 East Broadway, New York, NY 10002-9998. "see in black and white feel in slow motion, drown myself in sorrow, until i wake up tomorrow" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 11:25:36 PDT From: "Shayna Nova Borenstein" Subject: Re: perfect combo personally, i'd give my first born child to see Rasputina with Black Tape for a Blue Girl... - -shayna nova "The poplars are felled, farewell to the shade..." > >In a message dated 6/2/98 7:16:57 PM Central Daylight Time, kga01@gnofn.org >writes: > ><< Any sort of mellow, etherial band would go well. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 11:25:59 PDT From: "Shayna Nova Borenstein" Subject: Re: perfect combo personally, i'd give my first born child to see Rasputina with Black Tape for a Blue Girl... - -shayna nova "The poplars are felled, farewell to the shade..." > >In a message dated 6/2/98 7:16:57 PM Central Daylight Time, kga01@gnofn.org >writes: > ><< Any sort of mellow, etherial band would go well. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:27:07 EDT From: GishDrown@aol.com Subject: The Goths - LR (list related) & usual babble as a suggestion, would you guys on the list, when posting have the word "Goths" or "The Goths" in the subject. a lot of mail is deleted cause of this. i think its porn invited since its all from internet sources. danke! shameless plug - would anyone like to join my Newsletter/Reply to all Mailing list for the smashing pumpkins? its called empty party afternoon, and theres always a party! =) if youd like to join, email *ME* GishDrown@aol.com NP ~ Behold! The Night Mare / the smashing pumpkins - -ashley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:05:47 EDT From: Nahaliel@aol.com Subject: Re: perfect combo > OH be blunt, for fuck's sake... we know you want to say "orgasmic"! I sorta meant to get across a feeling akin to orgasmic, but not with the full intensity the word implies. more like a ripple. a tingling. perhaps I should have said "a feeling akin to a somewhat unimpressive orgasm." sounds disappointing, though. besides, I don't like to be anything that could be misconstrued as offensive or rude. I'd much rather flaunt my vocabulary and limited knowledge of French euphemism. apologies to anyone else miffed by my antipathy of bluntness. jennifer http://members.aol.com/nahaliel/page.htm "...You can never give The finger to the blind Sometimes I act so stupid But you never seem to mind..." - -Luna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:06:40 PDT From: "Shayna Nova Borenstein" Subject: Re: Depression and goths >>Why necessarily snicker at mopeygoths. If you're a perkygoth, >>that's lovely, but don't mistreat other goths that happen to >>battle depression and other ailments. If you're going to act >>childish, then direct that manifestation upon spooky kids as >>well as other ignorant, clueless people. > > Depression my ass! It's easy to be depressed, specially when all your >friends think it's cool to act like it. People who think depression is a >joke should be beaten with a large metal rod, preferably smeared with a >salt paste. Really painful. DEPRESSION IS SERIOUS!!!! SUICIDE IS NOT AN >ATTENTION GETTER! > Anyone who thinks they are, even deep down inside is sick. Really sick. > Depression is also rather easy to get rid of most of the time. Stop >thinking "Oh man, I'm depressed, my life sucks." find something positive in >your sad little life, be it your favourite clubbing outfit or your >favourite black shirt. 75% of almost anything is a mental block. Smoked >for 2 years, quit cold. Nopangs for one, nothing. Just kept myself busy >and never thought about it. Get some steel in that liquid spine of yours, >and frankly, if you can't handle life and have to resort to ploys, GET OUT >OF THE GENE POOL! I hope you succeed in killing yourself! > Now before you start preaching about how I don't understand about it, I >do. Been there, done that. Had a close friend commit suicide, and before >then I was severely depressed. It's not a fun trip. I never even realized >I was depressed, it took my friends to make me notice it. And i respect my >friend who committed suicide. >She didn't talk abnout it. >Just did it. >That takes real guts. > > -Michael > I have plenty I could add to this thread, but I'll just leave it at this: a) how does this pertain to Rasputina? b) what do we hope to accomplish by bitching about melodramatic teen angst, which will always be present in one guise or another, be it grunge, goth, punk, death metal or running away to join the circus? Granted, "spooky kids" can be obnoxoius, but it's mostly just because they're everywhere this week. - -shayna nova "The poplars are felled, farewell to the shade..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:09:08 -0400 From: holliday.25@osu.edu (kristie holliday) Subject: Re: Depression and goths > Anyone who thinks they are, even deep down inside is sick. Really >sick. > Depression is also rather easy to get rid of most of the time. Stop >thinking "Oh man, I'm depressed, my life sucks." find something positive in >your sad little life, be it your favourite clubbing outfit or your >favourite black shirt. 75% of almost anything is a mental block. Smoked >for 2 years, quit cold. Nopangs for one, nothing. Just kept myself busy >and never thought about it. Get some steel in that liquid spine of yours, >and frankly, if you can't handle life and have to resort to ploys, GET OUT >OF THE GENE POOL! I hope you succeed in killing yourself! well, ignorant, depression comes in many forms, three mainly. they are depressed mood, depressive syndrome, and major depressive disorder. the last two are of clinical significance, and they don't just "go away". depressed mood is what you are thinking of, i'm sure, and that is what most of the general population suffers from. but before you start saying that depression is just something ppl do because they want to be "cool" maybe you should learn a bit about it first. some people really *do* have depression problems, as a result of bad family dynamics or a genetical inheritance. kristie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:23:46 EDT From: Twizzzy@aol.com Subject: Re: perfect combo hey everybody.. I live in NY ~*Eryn*~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:02:20 EDT From: Pogo80@aol.com Subject: Re: perfect combo I love Sassy ... that was the most real life zine i had ever read... and it wasnt all caught up in famous people and all that trendy shit.. it was totally about being yourself... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:07:26 EDT From: NINMANSON1@aol.com Subject: judgement? Has anyone else notice how judgemental everyone has gotten lately? Am i the only one for " accept everyone?" We all have our little annoyances but come on..We've seemed to diss every group on this list recently! Perky Goths vs Mopey goths, SP fans vs SP haters, Tori fans vs Anti-tori fans..ect..Everyone has their reasons for doing things, even if its as trivial as wearing black and moping for attention, does it really bother you so much? Im just curious, no further judgement intended..kat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:43:07 EDT From: TheitGrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Depression and goths Are you on crack? first of all, if you have REAL, clinical depression, it's not easy to "just get over it." and by you saying that--that's making it a joke, and rather insignificant. there's an everclear song and it goes: "just because you're neurotic and depressed doesn't mean you're sad." being sad and upset with life ISN'T depression. and what happened to your friend is sad, but it doesn't take courage to supress your feelings and stop living--it takes courage to open up, make yourself vulnerable, and want to survive. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:19:08 -0400 From: sukovich@scsn.net (Michael Sukovich) Subject: Apology First off, I'd like to apologize for being unclear as to what I meant about depression. Depression exists, some cases more serious than others. It's just wrong that such a serious matter has become trendy. If anyone on this list has seen "Conspiracy Theory", they might understand a bit of what I'm talking about. In Conspiracy, the main characer was paranoid about privacy and security, but the movie made a very serious problem seem humorous. The poor man locked up everything, even his coffe. Nothing humorous abotu sucha serious problem like that. Mental problems are being VERY trivialized in today's society because there are some people who take advantage disorders. Like ADD, attention deficit disorder. So many "hyperactive" kids who were just being normal kids got put on ritalin(sp?) when all they really needed was some discipline (not physical) from their parents. Again, this disorder /does/ exist, but isn't as widespread as people make it seem. It's a wonderful excuse for parents who haven't done a good job teaching their offspring proper manners. More socially acceptable than "Oh, my kid is just a spoiled brat." Saying "My child has attention deficit disorder" is more socially acceptable. Enough on that. Second apology. I apologize for posting non Rasputina related things. This list has some intelligent people on it, but has been horribly stagnating. You can only talk so much about a band before it gets into other things. I enjoy making these posts and hearing people get off their asses and respond. If you'll notice, there has been more traffic and less one liners on this list. Gripe and complain if you want, but noone else is doing anything. -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:40:38 EDT From: Milkrox@aol.com Subject: you shouldn't judge people, you should talk about Rasputina. I joined this list to talk about Rasputina and very related items, not to hear people bitching. thank you Erika ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V2 #62 **************************