From: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org (goths-digest) To: goths-digest@smoe.org Subject: goths-digest V1 #30 Reply-To: goths@smoe.org Sender: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-goths-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk goths-digest Friday, October 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- page [TREMERE80@aol.com] Re: ShirtWaist Fire [Twizzzy@aol.com] Goths Web Page - and the one established! [foxmulder@juno.com (Chris L S] Re: shirtwaist fire [foxmulder@juno.com (Chris L Smith)] Shirtwaist Fire ["Seufert, Carmelita M." ] Re: shirtwaist fire (slight amendment) [VANESSA ] re: Triangle Shirt Waist [cheh@slip.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: TREMERE80@aol.com Subject: page just wanted to present my support of a gothic style web page; if i can be of any help, drop a line and we'll figure something out in the way of content, structure, layouts, etc. basicaly the only thing i couldn't be much help in is actual design, since i don't know much about how constructing a page works (hence the reason why i haven't made my own : ) ). Maybe all the AOL'ers should pick out a time to meet in a room and discuss it real-time, it seems more efficient than doing it all by mail (providing we can all agree on a time). - -TREMERE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Twizzzy@aol.com Subject: Re: ShirtWaist Fire Actually, I believe itto be about this terrible fire that happened in a shirtwaist factory....The doors were all locked to keep the women who worked there from leaving early or taking breaks.....Everyone in it perished in the blaze...I don't recall the specifics, but a fellow Rasputina fan without e-mail access told me about it not too long ago.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:04:52 EDT From: foxmulder@juno.com (Chris L Smith) Subject: Goths Web Page - and the one established! Hello everyone! I've been extremely busy recently, which is part of the reason why the fan site (www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/3388/) hasn't been updated in a long while. Hopefully in a week or two I will have time to redesign it. There's been talk of a Goth web site, which brings us to an interesting question: where do the Goths go from here? Right now, we are just a mailing list. To become more, we could start with our own web page, couldn't we? I do not have time to work on it - and do we want a seperate page, or build it into the existing fan site? More questions: where are the tee shirt designs I have been promised? I am still willing to print up the shirts and get them mailed out, take care of orders, etc.....but I need the designs first! SO if anyone has a tee shirt design in .gif or .jpg format, mail them to kingcello@geocities.com and drop a line at foxmulder@Juno.com telling me to check my kingcello account. Any AOL users who want to discuss Rasp, a shirt, or Goths (or just say hi): I have AOL Instant Messanger software to IM with AOL users over the internet. My screenname is: kingcello, so anyone with ideas can get in touch with me that way. I have heard nothing new about tours, appearances, etc. When I do, I'll pass the word along so we can organize some sort of fan support - handing out brochures, posting posters, creating tee shirts, etc. That's about it - a reminder, anyone can check our current 'roster' on our mailing list my mailing: 'who goths' in the subject line to: majordomo@smoe.org. Impressive membership for a relatively new list! Later, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:56:02 EDT From: foxmulder@juno.com (Chris L Smith) Subject: Re: shirtwaist fire This is taken right from my FAQ on the fan site (www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/3388/, as if you don't know by now.....) "A song describing the escape of a lady from (and her friend that died in) the Triange Shirtwaist Fire of 1911." What happened was, (and this is in a period of history before most of the labor laws and such), (correct me if I'm wrong here, this is from memory and it's been a while since History), a fire broke out in the Triange Shirtwaist Factory in Soho - the sew-ers (the ones that sew clothes, not the stinky sewers that run under the streets....) were almost entirely female, and the male managers paid them badly, had them work in poor conditions, and locked the doors to ensure that they stayed inside the building until the work day was over. Well, a fire broke out, and the girls couldn't escape the building since the doors were locked, so some resorted to jumping out of windows on the top floors......not many (if any) escaped. That was just another event that brought about labor laws and such. Hope that helps.... Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:43:09 EDT From: "Seufert, Carmelita M." Subject: Shirtwaist Fire Shirtwaist Fire is about the Great Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire that happened in NYC in the early 1900's. This event was a catalyst for the American Union Movement. The workers were mostly made up of Irish and Italian female immigrants, who were locked in the factory during their night shifts. When faulty wiring caused some of the garments to catch the whole building soon went up. When the firemen arrived they did not have enough water pressure to reach the high floor that the workers were locked on, so all they could do was watch as dozens of girls and women jumped out the windows. Ironically, most of the women who died, died not from fire, but from their jump out of the windows. Blessed Be ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:04:12 -0400 From: VANESSA Subject: Re: shirtwaist fire (slight amendment) At 06:56 PM 10/16/97 EDT, ye olde foxmulder wrote: >This is taken right from my FAQ on the fan site >(www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/3388/, as if you don't know by >now.....) > >"A song describing the escape of a lady from (and her friend that died >in) the Triange Shirtwaist Fire of 1911." What happened was, (and this is >in a period of history before most of the labor laws and such), (correct >me if I'm wrong here, this is from memory and it's been a while since >History), a fire broke out in the Triange Shirtwaist Factory in Soho - *Actually*, the locale is Greenwich Village, specifically, the NYU Building located on the corner of Washington Place and Mercer, adjacent to Main Building. It used to be called Brown building, when I went to NYU s e v e r a l years ago. Funny, it was also where the chem labs were located(i don't know if they are still there or not. . .) There is a plaque on the side of the building that mentions the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, but they might have ripped it down to put up something idiotic. history buff and nyu alumnae >v< ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The real night people, however, live at night not out of necessity, but because they want to. They belong to the world of pleasure, of love, of vice. . . Brassai, "The Secret Paris" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:45:13 -0700 From: cheh@slip.net Subject: re: Triangle Shirt Waist i remember seeing a docudrama on TV when i was small, it was about the fire that happened at the Triangle Factory. a famous fire near the turn of the century, if i'm not mistaken. don't remember much more than that. aha, wait a second, i just had the idea to look it up in MS Bookshelf and here's what i found: *Human Rights and Social Justice, 1911* New York=92s Triangle Shirtwaist Factory at Washington Place and Greene= Street has a fire March 25 and 146 people are killed, most of them sweatshop seamstresses who are unable to escape. The tragedy brings new demands for better working conditions (see IWW Lawrence strike, 1912).=20 The People's Chronology is licensed from Henry Holt and Company, Inc. Copyright =A9 1992 by James Trager. All rights reserved. romy ------------------------------ End of goths-digest V1 #30 **************************