From: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org (good-noise-digest) To: good-noise-digest@smoe.org Subject: good-noise-digest V7 #19 Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org Sender: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk good-noise-digest Thursday, July 22 2004 Volume 07 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- John and Politics [ThePsyche@aol.com] Re: John and Politics [daniel canterbury ] RE: John and Politics ["Sara Chamberlin" ] Re: John and Politics ["Gina" ] John and politics [Gina Golde ] Re: John and Politics [bcs@jersey.net] RE: John and Politics [Amy Yeip ] Paul Wellstone [ThePsyche@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:03:02 EDT From: ThePsyche@aol.com Subject: John and Politics Has anyone heard John perform recently? It seems he is making some pretty strong statements, politically, based on a few comments at the message boards. I wondered if anyone has any info? I appreciate his strong stand politically. I am a bleeding heart Liberal and find myself under attack quite often these days. Folk music(and that big umbrella of music that comes under it), historically, has been about what people are living, thinking and feeling. Dave Tamulevich, John's manager and an amazing folk performer in his own right, said this: "To me, what distinguishes folk are the words. In all the genres, there's not any better writing, communicating thoughts and feeling, than in folk music. This political summer is having a big impact on people and there doesn't seem to be any middle ground with folks. At least, for me there isn't and it appears so for many of my friends. Just wondering if anyone has heard him lately. I haven't gotten a post from this list in a very long while. Who's left here? Thanks for reading, Bryn in Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel canterbury Subject: Re: John and Politics i heard him at hockhocking fest - there is a review at johngorka.com. john and i are almost diametrically opposed politically (being a libertarian i detest the philosophies on which both liberal AND neocon are based), but i did not hear him say anything outrageous such as has been reported (the "nazi" comments) on the message boards. my father lived AND fought through ww2, switched from democrat to republican when he saw the failure of the huge entitlement programs and the effect they would have on society as a whole, and at 84yrs, a lifetime of experience and education, nothing pisses him off like hearing someone who has NO idea or experience comparing the President to the erstwhile dictator of germany. my father has SEEN the difference. in my experience, and i can count john as a friend, the gorka i know is one of the most thoughtful and polite of individuals and is extremely careful in his observations. enough so that even when ticked off by events, i find it hard he would make an off-the-cuff comment such as has been reported. if he has, i attribute it to the extreme divide between the red and blue, and while it does nothing to diminish his value to me as a source of musical and literary inspiration, i would have to re-evaluate my opinion of his reasoning ablitities and belief system. ThePsyche@aol.com wrote: Has anyone heard John perform recently? It seems he is making some pretty strong statements, politically, based on a few comments at the message boards. I wondered if anyone has any info? I appreciate his strong stand politically. I am a bleeding heart Liberal and find myself under attack quite often these days. Folk music(and that big umbrella of music that comes under it), historically, has been about what people are living, thinking and feeling. Dave Tamulevich, John's manager and an amazing folk performer in his own right, said this: "To me, what distinguishes folk are the words. In all the genres, there's not any better writing, communicating thoughts and feeling, than in folk music. This political summer is having a big impact on people and there doesn't seem to be any middle ground with folks. At least, for me there isn't and it appears so for many of my friends. Just wondering if anyone has heard him lately. I haven't gotten a post from this list in a very long while. Who's left here? Thanks for reading, Bryn in Chicago Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:17:07 +0000 From: "Sara Chamberlin" Subject: RE: John and Politics I'm going to take a leap and assume you are referring to some things referenced on the bullentin board at John's website--that's all I've seen, at any rate. My opinion is that desperate times call for strong statements. If people don't want to hear them, then I think a genre other than folk is a better choice. Britney or Justin, perhaps. Mariah Carey. The poster on the bullentin board also trashed John's latest album, and frankly, I don't get that--it isn't radically different from the music John's been doing for years. I think the guy just has a saber to rattle because he didn't like John's comments onstage. Did you hear that Linda Ronstadt was booed and then banned from some place in Las Vegas because she praised "Farenheit 911"? Like I said, desperate times-- Sara >From: ThePsyche@aol.com >Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org >To: good-noise@smoe.org >Subject: John and Politics >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:03:02 EDT > >Has anyone heard John perform recently? > >It seems he is making some pretty strong statements, politically, based on a >few comments at the message boards. I wondered if anyone has any info? > >I appreciate his strong stand politically. I am a bleeding heart Liberal and >find myself under attack quite often these days. Folk music(and that big >umbrella of music that comes under it), historically, has been about what people >are living, thinking and feeling. Dave Tamulevich, John's manager and an >amazing folk performer in his own right, said this: "To me, what distinguishes folk >are the words. In all the genres, there's not any better writing, >communicating thoughts and feeling, than in folk music. > >This political summer is having a big impact on people and there doesn't seem >to be any middle ground with folks. At least, for me there isn't and it >appears so for many of my friends. > >Just wondering if anyone has heard him lately. I haven't gotten a post from >this list in a very long while. Who's left here? > >Thanks for reading, Bryn in Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:03:25 -0700 From: "Gina" Subject: Re: John and Politics I'm still here and definitely agree with you about the polarization of politics right now. Our president said that he was a uniter (or some such word). I guess he was dead wrong on that point. It has been extremely difficult for me as I do have some friends on the opposite side of the spectrum and sometimes I feel like they are from another planet that can't see straight. I think we need to be careful here about not starting a political commentary on this list. I also agree with you that many folk musicians and musicians in general tend to be more of a liberal group. But, there are listeners who are more conservative. I know that this is sometimes uncomfortable for them and in the spirit of inclusion, something folk music is also very good for, we need to be sensitive about what is said. That being said, I have no problem with artists expressing their thoughts and in fact love it. They just need to be prepared to lose some fans. We have had this discussion about religion on this list. Off to work in an environment that does not reflect my views. Ugh. Gina - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:03 AM Subject: John and Politics > Has anyone heard John perform recently? > > It seems he is making some pretty strong statements, politically, based on a > few comments at the message boards. I wondered if anyone has any info? > > I appreciate his strong stand politically. I am a bleeding heart Liberal and > find myself under attack quite often these days. Folk music(and that big > umbrella of music that comes under it), historically, has been about what people > are living, thinking and feeling. Dave Tamulevich, John's manager and an > amazing folk performer in his own right, said this: "To me, what distinguishes folk > are the words. In all the genres, there's not any better writing, > communicating thoughts and feeling, than in folk music. > > This political summer is having a big impact on people and there doesn't seem > to be any middle ground with folks. At least, for me there isn't and it > appears so for many of my friends. > > Just wondering if anyone has heard him lately. I haven't gotten a post from > this list in a very long while. Who's left here? > > Thanks for reading, Bryn in Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Gina Golde Subject: John and politics OK, I have not been to the board and people are tip-toing around whatever it was that was said. Can someone enlighten me. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:57:34 +0000 From: bcs@jersey.net Subject: Re: John and Politics Bryn, I saw John perform an outstanding concert on July 11 in Upper Merion Township, PA. His only political commentary was one sentence that I cannot remember verbatim, but the gist of it was anti the current administration, and got a round of applause. The concert was incredible. John was in good voice, seemed very relaxed, took requests from the audience and did his best to satisfy them all. He got one written request for a song of his he said he didn't know well enough to play, but didn't tell us what it was. He played several songs from the latest CD, and bantered easily between them. I am so glad that he has added "I Know" back into the repertoire. Great guitar and a great song. This is the first time in years I haven't heard "Blue Chalk." I stayed and bought my second copy of Old Futures Gone so I could stand in line to meet him and have it signed. After 20 years of going to Gorka concerts, it was quite a thrill. Beth 
Has anyone heard John perform recently?

It seems he is making some pretty strong statements, politically, based on a 
few comments at the message boards.  I wondered if anyone has any info?

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amy Yeip 
Subject: RE: John and Politics

Hey, all,
     Finally figured out how to join this list, Bryn had directed me quite some time ago.  Anyway, Linda was booed and banned from Aladdin in Las Vegas.  She was trying to not get asked back from what I understand.  Well, I applaude her standing up for what she believes in, bought my first Dixie Chicks CD after Natalie's infamous statement.  I believe in supporting those who do not cave or commercialize, that is why I buy a lot of INDY music, go to those artist's concerts, ect.
     I firmly believe in freedom of speech, which is why I don't chastize the argumentatvie young fellow at John's website.  Yes, even he has a right to his opinion, that is what makes our country great.
     AS for John, I haven't seen him since last July, miss him lots, no political statements made then.  There is a rumbin going on, wouldn't surprise me if he was adding that beautiful baritone to it.  I say, let him speak his piece, though it is quite doubtful the term Nazi was used.  I believe someone said he called Bush our Fuhrer.  And while the word does carry a negative connotation, it simply means leader in German.
Peace,
Amy

Sara Chamberlin  wrote:
I'm going to take a leap and assume you are referring to some things
referenced on the bullentin board at John's website--that's all I've
seen, at any rate. My opinion is that desperate times call for strong
statements. If people don't want to hear them, then I think a genre
other than folk is a better choice. Britney or Justin, perhaps. Mariah
Carey. 

The poster on the bullentin board also trashed John's latest album, and
frankly, I don't get that--it isn't radically different from the music
John's been doing for years. I think the guy just has a saber to rattle
because he didn't like John's comments onstage.

Did you hear that Linda Ronstadt was booed and then banned from some
place in Las Vegas because she praised "Farenheit 911"?

Like I said, desperate times--

Sara

>From: ThePsyche@aol.com >Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org >To:
good-noise@smoe.org >Subject: John and Politics >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004
10:03:02 EDT > >Has anyone heard John perform recently? > >It seems he is
making some pretty strong statements, politically, based on a >few
comments at the message boards. I wondered if anyone has any info? > >I
appreciate his strong stand politically. I am a bleeding heart Liberal
and >find myself under attack quite often these days. Folk music(and
that big >umbrella of music that comes under it), historically, has been
about what people >are living, thinking and feeling. Dave Tamulevich,
John's manager and an >amazing folk performer in his own right, said
this: "To me, what distinguishes folk >are the words. In all the genres,
there's not any better writing, >communicating thoughts and feeling, than
in folk music. > >This political summer is having a big impact on people
and there doesn't seem >to be any middle ground with folks. At least, for
me there isn't and it >appears so for many of my friends. > >Just
wondering if anyone has heard him lately. I haven't gotten a post from
>this list in a very long while. Who's left here? > >Thanks for reading,
Bryn in Chicago

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:13:40 EDT
From: ThePsyche@aol.com
Subject: Paul Wellstone

Today would have been the 60th birthday of one of my personal heroes, Paul 
Wellstone.  My husband and I worked on his very first campaign back in St. Paul 
and he even drove our 61 Rambler in a parade.

Wellstone pushed for peace, mental health care, and environmentalism, and 
joined his wife Sheila to support victims of domestic violence. He opposed the 
Gulf War in 1991 and in 2002 he voted against giving President Bush carte 
blanche authority to invade Iraq.

Wellstone gained respect from all sides as someone who could separate 
differences of political opinion from personal connections. 

John dedicates the song Solider After All to Wellstone in concert and the 
liner notes of Old Futures says, " This record is dedicated to Paul and Sheila 
Wellstone who never looked the other way. May we all live up to their example."

Happy Birthday Paul.

Namaste, Bryn, the music junkie

"I'm from the democratic wing of the Democratic Party."
Paul Wellstone

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