From: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org (good-noise-digest) To: good-noise-digest@smoe.org Subject: good-noise-digest V5 #91 Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org Sender: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk good-noise-digest Wednesday, December 11 2002 Volume 05 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Gorka at ebay [ThePsyche@aol.com] War Makes War ["Roberta Piper" ] Re: War Makes War ["Gina" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:30:38 EST From: ThePsyche@aol.com Subject: Re: Gorka at ebay Steve writes: > With all this in mind, I may just buy that E-Bay item and send it to you, > where it will be treasured by one who's heart is almost always in the right > place. > No, I don't get it. If you take a couple extra minutes and check out that seller and his other items up for sale, they are all autographs made to a little girl and another female name, another child or perhaps a wife or girlfriend. No, Steve, I don't get it and that is precisely why I wrote about the autographs at the Sports Shop as well. And listen, if you were to buy those and send them to me, I would have to respectfully decline. I don't want the autograph. I need the music, and I have that. What does it mean anyway to have the artist's signature? With that said, I should say that I do have some signatures here. Many of the artists who play as part of the house concert series sign a poster for me and those are hanging up in the "green room" otherwise known as the guest room here at our house. I like seeing those pieces of my personal history hanging there, a personal message, a fond recollection of a night of music right here in my house. Why would I want a self portrait made for Chrissy? I am not Chrissy. While I see your point, that someone may be down on their luck and trying to find a way to make ends meet, I can wish someone like that well, I just won't support this effort. So if you do buy it, don't send it to me. Perhaps there is someone else out there interested in it? Peace, Bryn, the music junkie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:36:52 -0500 From: "Roberta Piper" Subject: War Makes War I've just started what so far is an excellent book by Chris Hedges, who served as a war correspondent for many years. It is called "War: The Force That Gives Us Meaning". I want to share the following from the book: "When we allow mythic reality to rule, as it almost always does in war, then there is only one solution -- force. In mythic war we fight absolutes. We must vanquish darkness. It is imperative and inevitable for civilization, for the free world, that good triumph, just as Islamic militants see us as infidels whose existence corrupts the pure Islamic society they hope to build. But the goal we seek when we embrace myth is impossible to achieve. War never creates the security or the harmony we desire, especially the harmony we briefly attain during wartime. And campaigns, such as the one in Afghanistan, become starting points for further conflicts, especially as we find that we are unable to root out terrorism or maintain the kind of solidarity that comes in the days just after a terrorist attack." Or, as John Gorka writes: War Makes War War makes war It won't bring peace It just makes more Without cease Peace will come from what is right Peace is caused by trust The strength to stop the red, red wheel To make it lock and rust To make it lock and rust War makes war It won't bring peace It just makes more Without cease We can learn from everyone How to or not to be We can learn the most from those Who think differently Who think differently War makes war It won't bring peace It just makes more Without cease From the Book of Amos The words welcome to the dream Let justice run down like water And righteousness like a mightly stream Righteousness like a mighty stream I still believe that there is hope If love is where our trust is The arc of the moral universe is long But it bends towards justice But it bends towards justice War makes war It won't bring peace It just makes more Without cease War makes war It won't bring peace Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:28:25 -0600 From: "Gina" Subject: Re: War Makes War Thanks for the timely words. Gina - ----- Original Message ----- From: Roberta Piper To: Gerri Black ; Block ; Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:36 PM Subject: War Makes War > I've just started what so far is an excellent book by Chris Hedges, who > served as a war correspondent for many years. It is called "War: The Force > That Gives Us Meaning". I want to share the following from the book: > > "When we allow mythic reality to rule, as it almost always does in war, then > there is only one solution -- force. In mythic war we fight absolutes. We > must vanquish darkness. It is imperative and inevitable for civilization, > for the free world, that good triumph, just as Islamic militants see us as > infidels whose existence corrupts the pure Islamic society they hope to > build. > > But the goal we seek when we embrace myth is impossible to achieve. War > never creates the security or the harmony we desire, especially the harmony > we briefly attain during wartime. And campaigns, such as the one in > Afghanistan, become starting points for further conflicts, especially as we > find that we are unable to root out terrorism or maintain the kind of > solidarity that comes in the days just after a terrorist attack." > > Or, as John Gorka writes: > > War Makes War > > War makes war > It won't bring peace > It just makes more > Without cease > > Peace will come from what is right > Peace is caused by trust > The strength to stop the red, red wheel > To make it lock and rust > To make it lock and rust > > War makes war > It won't bring peace > It just makes more > Without cease > > We can learn from everyone > How to or not to be > We can learn the most from those > Who think differently > Who think differently > > War makes war > It won't bring peace > It just makes more > Without cease > > From the Book of Amos > The words welcome to the dream > Let justice run down like water > And righteousness like a mightly stream > Righteousness like a mighty stream > > I still believe that there is hope > If love is where our trust is > The arc of the moral universe is long > But it bends towards justice > But it bends towards justice > > War makes war > It won't bring peace > It just makes more > Without cease > > War makes war > It won't bring peace > > Robbie ------------------------------ End of good-noise-digest V5 #91 *******************************