From: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org (good-noise-digest) To: good-noise-digest@smoe.org Subject: good-noise-digest V4 #138 Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org Sender: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk good-noise-digest Thursday, August 9 2001 Volume 04 : Number 138 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Soundtrack for life ["Mary Sansone" ] Re: Soundtrack for life ["Mary Sansone" ] Flying Red Horse [ThePsyche@aol.com] Re: Flying Red Horse [Togg4@gateway.net] Explanation, apology, thanks, etc. ["cycle12345" ] Re: Flying Red Horse ["Robbie Piper" ] Baby Blues [ThePsyche@aol.com] Re: Baby Blues ["Robbie Piper" ] Re: Baby Blues ["thehobars" ] My First Album [Togg4@gateway.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 06:12:51 -0500 From: "Mary Sansone" Subject: Re: Soundtrack for life I love the song Zuly - and that part especially. Never thought that it knocked religioin as much as making a very good point. Being a female member of an organized religion that does not allow women to be priest/minister, I found myself playing that song over and over. As early as my teens I began to question this. As to what brought me here....5-6 years ago my 20+ yr marriage was falling apart. I was in despair. Went to visit a good friend in Utah who played David Wilcox for me. I loved it so much she put in John Gorka and I was hooked. This was his earlier stuff and much of what I loved was about loss or lack of love. 3 1/2 years ago the divorce happened and it has been a jouney since. Almost 5 years ago my grandson was born and John was married and had his son around the same time so as his music became more joyful I could relate to it as well as the more melancholy music. Someone else said that when they said JG was their favorite singer/songwriter they were met with blank stares. I live in St Joe MO and must be the only one in this town of 70,000 who loves JG. I treasure my visits with my good friend who turned me onto him because we listen and love it together. I have played it for friends and relatives, took an x-bf and my sister to concerts, but niether of them "got" it. This list is full of people who "get" it and I love to hear concert reviews, JG sightings, and the trivia that so many of you know. I am fortunate that JG comes to the area (a little over an hour away) every year or so. I still have never seen Wilcox perform. Through JG I have added to my CD collection, Lucy, Cheryl Wheeler, Cry Cry Cry, and several others. I heard Lucy sing backup and now have all her CDs but the most recent. Wow....this is a record for length of post for me. When discord hits this list I try to stay out of it. I usually read it and cringe. Life is too short to spend it angry. There are enough negatives in life. This is a pleasant haven for me.....sounds like I should join the Wilcox list too. Have a great day everyone!! Mary "Zuly" - "She said we are here to love >each other, that is all. And organized religion, that's comparatively small. > Not that I don't love all those so-called holy ones. But why are there so >few daughters among the leaders of My sons?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 06:13:48 -0500 From: "Mary Sansone" Subject: Re: Soundtrack for life by the way Bryn, great thread. Thanks!! Mary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:13:50 EDT From: ThePsyche@aol.com Subject: Flying Red Horse Robbie asked: << I haven't noticed anything religious or spiritual in the songs I have heard. Maybe he's just too subtle for me. Do any of you hear certain songs as having spiritual/religious meaning? >> Spiritual? The dictionary says: from Latin, of breathing, of wind, from spiritus, of, relating to, consisting of, or affecting the spirit. I know when you were asking you were focused on the religious implications in John's music. Where Wilcox is more "out there" with his beliefs, John's faith is private, but I think we get a glimpse of how he feels about the human spirit and the struggle for acceptance and love and peace in all his music. The Flying Red Horse (talk about breathing wind!) is also one of my favorite Gorka songs Robbie and this verse: They think they can tame you, name you and frame you Aim you where you don't belong They know where you've been but not where you're going And that is the source of the songs ....for me is about a spirit lost and found and trying to live up to other people's expectations of you. As Mary wrote, finding others who share this community of folk music and "get it" is hard but when I do.....it helps my spirit each and every day. I often felt I was missing something in my life, some connection or perhaps just a passion beyond my daily grind. The more I thought about how I needed to change to "fit in" the more unhappy I was. While I loved my work, my family and other interests something was missing for me. When I found this music it awakened my spirit. So maybe Wilcox has a more layers in his religious metaphors where Gorka sort of takes the collect unconscious and brings it to light. His music has changed my life in good and profound ways. The music has brought new people and new experiences to me, one on top of the other, each one building on that feeling of community I first found in the words to one song sitting in my own living room. I followed the spiritual advice John offered in a song.... "Go after what you love." and it changed me for the better. Now, which of you addicts can tell me which song that is from? Namaste, Bryn, the flying red horse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:24:41 EDT From: Togg4@gateway.net Subject: Re: Flying Red Horse In a message dated 8/8/01 8:14:39 AM Central Daylight Time, ThePsyche@aol.com writes: > "Go after what you love." and it changed me for the better. > > Interesting what a strong vehicle music is... This advice is not particularly unique, but there was prob. something in the timing of your life and John's delivery that made this tidbit become something profound for you. But, on the flip side, this becomes somewhat disturbing to think about when you listen to the horribly antisocial, violent ... rap type music that so much of our youth is listening to. (Boy this makes me feel my middle age) Especially when you are a teen, music plays such a big role. I only hope that they aren't *really* listening to the lyrics. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:41:06 -0400 From: "cycle12345" Subject: Explanation, apology, thanks, etc. Hello, brother and sister Gorkaholics! Two weeks ago when I posted my very brief comments of appreciation for the CD "Bootless" which Jos Van Vliet had produced for a few of us on this list, it was not done to create any controversy or discord. After being out of town for the past two weeks, I was surprised to return to my home computer and find so much discussion about such an innocent gesture. I had simply forgotten that Jos sent us a private message about the availability of this "compilation" CD and I wished to congratulate him "publicly" on a job well done. Please accept my sincerest apology for unintentionally invoking so much unpleasantness. Paula, thanks for your comments and observations; as usual, they were right on target. I was particularly moved to read that you are sending your CD on to someone else at your expense - but I wasn't surprised. Once again, your incredible magnanimity is unparalleled and, by now, you know that I love you, but it never hurts to repeat those words, does it? Susan, I certainly appreciated your detailed yet succinct explanation that this CD was merely a compilation of previously published materials and not a set of live recordings, etc. I'm so glad that you took the time to set the record straight once more. I'll write it again - I love you, kid. Sam-U-Am!!! I'm so happy to see you back on the list, dude! Where've you been? Several of us were wondering what had happened to you, so it's good to know that you are still amongst us. Please say hello to Sara-B-Awara for me and yes, Sammy; I love you, too, man . . . Jos, most of us are quite well aware that you perform these labors out of the goodness of your heart without any financial incentive whatsoever. Instead, you profit in the best way possible - by doing nice things for your friends. Thanks again, my fine "foreign" friend! Finally, to the rest of you on this list - please understand that very recently I was privileged to be part of an incredible human experience replete with much goodness and happiness, so I can only add that I love all of you, too. It's just so simple . . . Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:22:32 -0500 From: "Robbie Piper" Subject: Re: Flying Red Horse Ah-h-h-h . . . I *do* see/feel the spirituality in Flying Red Horse. Thanks, Paula. Now . . . Could ya'll please shed some light for me on JG's "Baby Blues" on the Temporary Road cd. The lyrics seem to be a jumble to me. What is the connecting thread between the verses? Even within verses there are lines that don't seem to belong, such as: Verse 1 - "There's trouble in the kitchen". Verse 2 - "I'm in Pennsylvania, Soon I will be doin' fine". How do these lines fit in? Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:41:40 EDT From: ThePsyche@aol.com Subject: Baby Blues Perhaps your confusion is in that this was not actually written by John Gorka, but by his alter ego, that old Blues singer, Slow Blind Driveway. The thing about the blues Robbie, is you gotta not be so literal and more visceral. Words to song included in case others have a better, more in depth take on SBD lyrics. Love your curiosity Robbie. Bryn, a big ol blues mama in a past life Baby Blues I woke up this morning And your baby blues was on my mind On my mind I woke up this morning And your baby blues was on my mind There's trouble in the kitchen Soon it will be lovin' time Sister loves her honey Brother says the sun don't ever shine Ever shine Sister loves her honey Brother says the sun don't shine I'm in Pennsylvania Soon I will be doin' fine Chorus I said oh lady reel I said oh lady moan How long's it been that you've been gone Repeat Papa Bought a pistol Said he's gonna lead a life of crime Life of crime Papa Bought a pistol Said he's gonna lead a life of crime Momma took to cussin' Said she's gonna make him tow the line ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:56:22 -0500 From: "Robbie Piper" Subject: Re: Baby Blues Actually, Paula, knowing that "Baby Blues" was written by a blues singer *does* help me "get" the song better. So often, when I am listening to the blues, the lyrics don't matter as much as the feeling they provoke. If anybody out there can shed any light on the lyrics, I certainly would not object. But now I don't have to understand every word in order to enjoy the song. Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:39:44 -0400 From: "thehobars" Subject: Re: Baby Blues Every time I hear John talk about his blues alterego, I always imagined it was "Sloe Blind Driveway". LOL :} Tammy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Piper" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Baby Blues > Actually, Paula, knowing that "Baby Blues" was written by a blues singer > *does* help me "get" the song better. So often, when I am listening to the > blues, the lyrics don't matter as much as the feeling they provoke. > > If anybody out there can shed any light on the lyrics, I certainly would not > object. But now I don't have to understand every word in order to enjoy the > song. > > Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 01:48:34 EDT From: Togg4@gateway.net Subject: My First Album The first album I bought with my own money was "Let It Be." It was soon followed by Tapestry. I still have them :-) Gina ------------------------------ End of good-noise-digest V4 #138 ********************************