From: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org (good-noise-digest) To: good-noise-digest@smoe.org Subject: good-noise-digest V4 #72 Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org Sender: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk good-noise-digest Sunday, April 8 2001 Volume 04 : Number 072 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: polotics and new tunes? ["cycle12345" ] Re: polotics and new tunes? [Robpiper@aol.com] Re: polotics and new tunes? ["Shelley DePaul" ] Re: polotics and new tunes? [Togg4@gateway.net] Re: polotics and new tunes? ["Shelley DePaul" ] Re: polotics and new tunes? ["Shelley DePaul" ] Zat So! [Sam and Sara ] John Gorka on "Nod To Bob" (Dylan Tribute) ["Shelley DePaul" ] Re: Zat So! ["cycle12345" ] Re: Gorka at Godfrey's [Smithfinn@aol.com] Re: Gorka at Godfrey's ["cycle12345" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:08:47 -0400 From: "cycle12345" Subject: Re: polotics and new tunes? Superb post, Martin. I greatly appreciated all your observations . . . about both politics and music. I particularly liked this sentence, "Folk music has always had an activist body, a social and political mind, and a human heart." Well said, well written, well done! Also, I've enjoyed a couple of "off-list conversations" with Shelley and she's one sharp lady, and I agree about Dan - he presented one of the best analyses of a song that I've seen in some time. Sounds like we're all in good company, here, and you know what they say about the company you keep . . . Thanks again! Steve > Hello Shelley and All... > (a two part message: 1st to everyone and 2nd to Shelley and interested > musicians) > 1) I love the various posts recently regarding John's songs and their > political/social implications as seen through noisers eyes. I particularly > enjoyed Dans thoughts of *Abraham* not just because he is able to criticize his > own party (democrats are far from innocent in the money controlled, special > interest politics of today), but because he brings to light a simple fact: Folk > music has always had an activist body, a social and political mind, and a human > heart. And while I won't speak for various artist's intentions, their music > tells a story of our time. It is clear to me today's story is one of need; the > need for compassion (Prime time to forgive); the need for clear minds (Prime > time to forget) to remember what affects us and how (What was that that I just > said); and the need for (right) action vs. complacence in our 'prosperity' > (chorus (again) to Saints). What do you all think? > Martin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:37:59 EDT From: Robpiper@aol.com Subject: Re: polotics and new tunes? Martin said: << Folk music has always had an activist body, a social and political mind, and a human heart. And while I won't speak for various artist's intentions, their music tells a story of our time. It is clear to me today's story is one of need; the need for compassion (Prime time to forgive); the need for clear minds (Prime time to forget) to remember what affects us and how (What was that that I just said); and the need for (right) action vs. complacence in our 'prosperity' (chorus (again) to Saints). What do you all think? >> Martin, I think you have hit the nail on the head. I have struggled to define "folk" music without success. You have defined it well. Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:29:41 -0400 From: "Shelley DePaul" Subject: Re: polotics and new tunes? Thanks Steve. I was wondering if you had noticed how well-behaved and reticent I have been throughout this whole political conversation because you KNOW how I am once I get started, although I couldn't have phrased things better than Martin did. I agree that we have a really eclectic group of free thinkers in this room and that's refreshing. I also enjoyed Dan's post. It's good to meet a republican with a mind of his own. Your party needs you. But in the final analysis none of this has anything to do with politics, which I think I said to Dan once before. It has to do with what's right or better yet (don't much like words like right/wrong, good/bad etc... vague as hell) what's true. Martin, I have given thought to the fall travel thing, I do pretty much travel alone on these excursions, so I welcome your advice... but we'll talk privately about this. I'll get back to you on those songs later too. Been busy. BUT I thought I'd let you all know that I'll be seating the JOHN GORKA SHOW AT GODFREY DANIELS IN JUNE (I'd give you the exact date, beginning of the month, but I wrote it on a npakin, along with other dates I have to do seating and then I guess I wiped the vegetarian chilie off my mouth with it while talking to some friends I haven't seen for a long while and so even if I hadn't thrown it away the information would have been completely illegible. I'll double check it and let you know this week, although by then it will probably be on his itinerary. But if any of you are coming to that show, let me know and I'll keep an eye out for you. I'm also seating RICHARD SHINDELL on May 2. Shelley - ----- Original Message ----- From: "cycle12345" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:08 AM Subject: Re: polotics and new tunes? > Superb post, Martin. I greatly appreciated all your observations . . . > about both politics and music. I particularly liked this sentence, "Folk > music has always had an activist body, a social and political mind, and a > human heart." Well said, well written, well done! > > Also, I've enjoyed a couple of "off-list conversations" with Shelley and > she's one sharp lady, and I agree about Dan - he presented one of the best > analyses of a song that I've seen in some time. > > Sounds like we're all in good company, here, and you know what they say > about the company you keep . . . > > Thanks again! > > Steve > > > > > Hello Shelley and All... > > (a two part message: 1st to everyone and 2nd to Shelley and interested > > musicians) > > 1) I love the various posts recently regarding John's songs and their > > political/social implications as seen through noisers eyes. I > particularly > > enjoyed Dans thoughts of *Abraham* not just because he is able to > criticize his > > own party (democrats are far from innocent in the money controlled, > special > > interest politics of today), but because he brings to light a simple fact: > Folk > > music has always had an activist body, a social and political mind, and a > human > > heart. And while I won't speak for various artist's intentions, their > music > > tells a story of our time. It is clear to me today's story is one of > need; the > > need for compassion (Prime time to forgive); the need for clear minds > (Prime > > time to forget) to remember what affects us and how (What was that that I > just > > said); and the need for (right) action vs. complacence in our 'prosperity' > > (chorus (again) to Saints). What do you all think? > > Martin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:26:03 EDT From: Togg4@gateway.net Subject: Re: polotics and new tunes? In a message dated 4/7/01 1:39:16 PM Central Daylight Time, depaul@enter.net writes: > But in the final analysis none of this has anything to do with > politics, which I think I said to Dan once before. It has to do with what's > right or better yet (don't much like words like right/wrong, good/bad > etc.... > vague as hell) what's true. > > I have to agree with you on this, in theory. But, there is definitely a tendency to politicize right/wrong, bad/good etc. This became painfully obvious to me during this past election when my Republican friends, all of a sudden, decided that I was immoral in every way because I wasn't one of them. It was ugly. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:28:23 -0400 From: "Shelley DePaul" Subject: Re: polotics and new tunes? Just my point. They're having said it doesn't make it true. Does It? I hope that makes you feel better. Shelley - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: Re: polotics and new tunes? > In a message dated 4/7/01 1:39:16 PM Central Daylight Time, depaul@enter.net > writes: > > > > But in the final analysis none of this has anything to do with > > politics, which I think I said to Dan once before. It has to do with what's > > right or better yet (don't much like words like right/wrong, good/bad > > etc.... > > vague as hell) what's true. > > > > > > I have to agree with you on this, in theory. But, there is definitely a > tendency to politicize right/wrong, bad/good etc. This became painfully > obvious to me during this past election when my Republican friends, all of a > sudden, decided that I was immoral in every way because I wasn't one of them. > It was ugly. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:08:11 -0400 From: "Shelley DePaul" Subject: Re: polotics and new tunes? Oops. grammatical error! should be "Their having said...." can't believe I did that. Another thought though (See. Now you got me started again.) I had a similar experience with Green Party members. (I campaigned for Gore and dealt mostly with these guys.)which I explained in too much length a few months back so I won't go into it again, but the point is YOU have to set your sights on what's true and "go along when the crowd is right. Stand alone when the crowd is wrong." It can be a lonely business sometimes. In my case I fundamentally agreed with much of what they were saying, but sometimes you have to balance the ideal truth with what can be realistically accomplished or you get nowhere. This is where I butt heads with radicals. I felt like Kerensky. - --- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: Re: polotics and new tunes? > In a message dated 4/7/01 1:39:16 PM Central Daylight Time, depaul@enter.net > writes: > > > > But in the final analysis none of this has anything to do with > > politics, which I think I said to Dan once before. It has to do with what's > > right or better yet (don't much like words like right/wrong, good/bad > > etc.... > > vague as hell) what's true. > > > > > > I have to agree with you on this, in theory. But, there is definitely a > tendency to politicize right/wrong, bad/good etc. This became painfully > obvious to me during this past election when my Republican friends, all of a > sudden, decided that I was immoral in every way because I wasn't one of them. > It was ugly. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:13:21 From: Sam and Sara Subject: Zat So! Greetings Friends, Gorkans one and all, Speaking of the faint chorus in Wisheries... Wisheries was my first favorite song on the album and I didn't notice the odd chorus until I'd recorded the CD to cassette and blasted it in my 83 Buick Park Avenue (mint condition, sky blue w/white vinyl roof, oversize moonroof) while cruising down a rural road in the middle of nowhere. I now believe that it's a Gregorian Chant, specifically the Missa (The Mass), and the line itself is: Ite, Missa Est ("...it is finished."). I just made myself laugh! Truly though, I don't know what it is, but it's ingenious and eerie, and really adds a wistful quality to the overall melancholiness of the song. How did he ever think of it? Well, it's almost Cuba Libre time - I just love Saturday nights! (And Cuba Libres!) Sam ^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:09:43 -0400 From: "Shelley DePaul" Subject: John Gorka on "Nod To Bob" (Dylan Tribute) I've been reading about this recording on the Shindell and Greg Brown lists for some time now. It just occurred to me that you guys might not be aware of it. Check out the track listing. Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:05:55 -0500 From: "Bob Feldman" I thought I'd let you all know that I'll be seating the JOHN > GORKA SHOW AT GODFREY DANIELS IN JUNE (I'd give > you the exact date, beginning of the month, but I wrote it > on a npakin, along with other dates I have to do seating and > then I guess I wiped the vegetarian chilie off my mouth with > it while talking to some friends I haven't seen for a long while > and . . . The date on that show is Friday, June 15th, folks. Two shows, actually, at 7:00 and 9:30 PM. Godfrey's phone number is 610-867-2390. Bring some napkins for Shelley. :-) Otto =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Otto Bost FolkDude@aol.com Quakertown, PA USA =-=-=-=-=-=-< http://members.aol.com/folkdude/ >=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:59:23 -0400 From: "Shelley DePaul" Subject: Re: Gorka at Godfrey's LOL!! Hi Sweetheart. Good to see your voice. Thanks for coming to my rescue once again, as you always do! See YOU soon Shel - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:18 PM Subject: Re: Gorka at Godfrey's > depaul@enter.net writes: > > > I thought I'd let you all know that I'll be seating the JOHN > > GORKA SHOW AT GODFREY DANIELS IN JUNE (I'd give > > you the exact date, beginning of the month, but I wrote it > > on a npakin, along with other dates I have to do seating and > > then I guess I wiped the vegetarian chilie off my mouth with > > it while talking to some friends I haven't seen for a long while > > and . . . > > The date on that show is Friday, June 15th, folks. Two shows, > actually, at 7:00 and 9:30 PM. Godfrey's phone number is > 610-867-2390. Bring some napkins for Shelley. :-) > > Otto > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Otto Bost FolkDude@aol.com Quakertown, PA USA > =-=-=-=-=-=-< http://members.aol.com/folkdude/ >=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:20:37 -0400 From: "cycle12345" Subject: Re: Zat So! SAMMY!!! Where the heck have ya been, man?! Please keep up the laughing - yours and ours. Happy Saturday night! Thanks! Steve > Greetings Friends, Gorkans one and all, > Speaking of the faint chorus in Wisheries... Wisheries was my first favorite song on the album and I didn't > notice the odd chorus until I'd recorded the CD to cassette and blasted it in my 83 Buick Park Avenue > (mint condition, sky blue w/white vinyl roof, oversize moonroof) while cruising down a rural road in the > middle of nowhere. I now believe that it's a Gregorian Chant, specifically the Missa (The Mass), and the > line itself is: Ite, Missa Est ("...it is finished."). > I just made myself laugh! > Truly though, I don't know what it is, but it's ingenious and eerie, and really adds a wistful quality to the > overall melancholiness of the song. How did he ever think of it? > Well, it's almost Cuba Libre time - I just love Saturday nights! (And Cuba Libres!) > Sam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:02:00 EDT From: Smithfinn@aol.com Subject: Re: Gorka at Godfrey's I think we should ALL make a pilgrimage to Godfrey Daniels....let's see, how many hours driving to PA will it take me from Wisconsin............actually, that is a dream of ours, to go there someday.... Susan, wistfully wishing on the wisheries ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:28:39 -0400 From: "cycle12345" Subject: Re: Gorka at Godfrey's Not a bad plan, Susan . . . stranger things have happened! I think it's about six hours from this part of Virginia . . . Steve > I think we should ALL make a pilgrimage to Godfrey Daniels....let's see, how > many hours driving to PA will it take me from Wisconsin............actually, > that is a dream of ours, to go there someday.... > Susan, wistfully wishing on the wisheries ------------------------------ End of good-noise-digest V4 #72 *******************************