From: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org (good-noise-digest) To: good-noise-digest@smoe.org Subject: good-noise-digest V4 #71 Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org Sender: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk good-noise-digest Saturday, April 7 2001 Volume 04 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Democrats vs. Republicans [ImSerius2@aol.com] Re: Democrats vs. Republicans ["cycle12345" ] Re: How can yall SEE in this room??? OT (OD!) ["cycle12345" ] Re: Re:politics ["cycle12345" ] Oh Abraham ["Dan Lins" ] Re: Oh Abraham [Robpiper@aol.com] Re: Oh Abraham [ThePsyche@aol.com] Re: Oh Abraham ["cycle12345" ] Re: Oh Abraham [Robpiper@aol.com] Re: polotics and new tunes? [Martin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:17:20 EDT From: ImSerius2@aol.com Subject: Democrats vs. Republicans On Christine Lavin's Cd "Live at the Cactus Cafe" she announces that she has decided to become a Republican, because she doesn't know any other folk singers that are......and proceeds to sing the tongue-in-cheek theme song she has written for the Republican Party, entitled 'We Are The True Americans' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:34:53 -0400 From: "cycle12345" Subject: Re: Democrats vs. Republicans Wow, Suzie! The lyrics to that song, please? Oh, never mind - I'm off to buy another one! (Now, where did I put that credit card . . . ) Thanks for the tip, lady! Steve, the Democrat > On Christine Lavin's Cd "Live at the Cactus Cafe" she announces that she has > decided to become a Republican, because she doesn't know any other folk > singers that are......and proceeds to sing the tongue-in-cheek theme song she > has written for the Republican Party, entitled 'We Are The True Americans' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:00:24 -0400 From: "cycle12345" Subject: Re: How can yall SEE in this room??? OT (OD!) SAMMY!!! Where ya been, boy?! SteveB > This room is so hazy, what with all the B's! I'm gonna catch a buzz just > hangin around in here! > > (Short for 'bongs' back in the 80's... Course, I never did any... No way, > that stuff is BAD for ya!) > > Maybe some stoner is hacking into good-noise... > > Oops, gotta go, I'm positively havin a hard time breathin in here! > > ^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~:.,.:'^`~ > > Sam > > You speak of beer, you speak my language -- Al Bundy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 06:41:40 -0500 From: Mary Sansone Subject: Re:politics I agree Steve. I am not a Republican nor a Democrat. I vote specifically for the person I think will do the best job or the least harm....sounds cynical but it's how I feel. Would I stop listening to John if he voted for a different candidate?? Hell, no!! This is America. Everyone has the right to vote for the candidate of their choice and I respect their right to do so. My father did not have to go to war...don't remember the reason. His older brother was in the Navy. TGIF!! Mary At 11:10 PM 04/05/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Not to worry, Robbie; politics is one thing, but music is serious business. >Those of us who are politicians, or who are politically aware/involved >should never let that stand in the way of the enjoyment of great music such >as that produced by the likes of John Gorka, et al . . . > >Right? > >Steve > > > > > Steve said: > > > > > at a concert last fall, John showed us his Democratic > > > donkey t-shirt and told us that Al Gore would have a better chance in >the > > > Presidential election if he would add one syllable to his name: "-ka"! > > > > Proof enough indeed! John has a lot of courage to let his fans know where >he > > stands. Surely some of his fans (now *former* fans?) are Republicans > > Robbie > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.121 / Virus Database: 58 - Release Date: 01/31/2000 - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.121 / Virus Database: 58 - Release Date: 01/31/2000 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:47:15 -0400 From: "cycle12345" Subject: Re: Re:politics Well said and well written, Mary, and not the least bit cynical! This nation isn't perfect, but it's the best I've ever seen, and I plan to stay right here with all the Democrats and Republicans and others, regardless . . . Thanks! Steve > I agree Steve. I am not a Republican nor a Democrat. I vote specifically > for the person I think will do the best job or the least harm....sounds > cynical but it's how I feel. Would I stop listening to John if he voted > for a different candidate?? Hell, no!! This is America. Everyone has the > right to vote for the candidate of their choice and I respect their right > to do so. > My father did not have to go to war...don't remember the reason. His older > brother was in the Navy. > TGIF!! > Mary > At 11:10 PM 04/05/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >Not to worry, Robbie; politics is one thing, but music is serious business. > >Those of us who are politicians, or who are politically aware/involved > >should never let that stand in the way of the enjoyment of great music such > >as that produced by the likes of John Gorka, et al . . . > >Right? > >Steve > > > Steve said: > > > > at a concert last fall, John showed us his Democratic > > > > donkey t-shirt and told us that Al Gore would have a better chance in > >the > > > > Presidential election if he would add one syllable to his name: "-ka"! > > > > > > Proof enough indeed! John has a lot of courage to let his fans know where > >he > > > stands. Surely some of his fans (now *former* fans?) are Republicans > > > Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:26:31 -0500 From: "Dan Lins" Subject: Oh Abraham I don't know if one has to be a Dem to be a folkie. . . maybe to be a GOOD folkie. I'm a republican (lowercase "r") and a Republican, too. Oh Abraham is still probably my favorite song on the disc. It is exceedingly clever, honest, and well written. I've picked up quite a bit of John's (in)direct political commentary in the song, but was wondering if anyone else had heard something I'm missing. "Oh Abraham look at all the money now . . ." A comment on the flood of green that influences our political system every election cycle(obviously). I think it's directed here at politicians in general (per an upcoming line), but it could be directed at Republicans specifically, as they often epitomize the problem. (Think McCain/Feingold.) "Oh Abraham good night . . ."Republicans today have put the ideals of Lincoln to rest, if you will. "It's your party, but I'll cry if I want to . . ." The Republican party (or "Party of Lincoln" as it is often called) is in a sad state. "I wouldn't care how much they had if they would only do what's right."This, I think, is the core of the song. Here he reveals his true problem with the political right--their agenda, not their money. (Also why I think his earlier "all the money now" comment is not aimed directly at the GOP.) ". . . Kerouac . . . Eisenhower . . . they saw freedom as a a big idea . . ."An unlikely pairing, but one that is certainly complimentary to Ike (a Republican). "All moneyed up and charmed with might . . ."A great line, and particularly relevant considering GWB's early "charm offensive." "So we are right, we're always right . . . "The political right has it's head up it's collective rear, if you will. Great wordplay. "We're right, they're wrong. Let them get their own song . . ."Here again is the song's core: the Republican ideal of the disenfranchised picking themselves up by their own bootstraps (or, more favorably, teaching them to fish as opposed to just giving them a fish . . .) is the real problem. There's no doubt that the caricature of the patrician, balding, white male Republican is often an accurate one (see Dick Cheney), and John nails the common perception of that mind-set. "Abe, you were born in old Kentuck', but we still miss you here."How true. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:57:51 EDT From: Robpiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh Abraham Excellent analysis of "Oh, Abraham", Dan! You picked up on some things that I missed. Thanks! Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:34:29 EDT From: ThePsyche@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh Abraham Dan writes: > Thank you for the thought provoking and intelligent digging into this song. Wow. So, what can you tell me about Brown Shirts? I see the story on the surface, just as I did with Oh Abraham, but after reading your interpretation, I want to hear what you find in this tune. Thanks Dan....food for thought on a Friday. Namaste, P Bryn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:34:41 -0400 From: "cycle12345" Subject: Re: Oh Abraham What she said, Dan - great job! Steve > Excellent analysis of "Oh, Abraham", Dan! You picked up on some things that > I missed. > > Thanks! > Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:34:20 EDT From: Robpiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh Abraham Dan quoted and then commented: << "We're right, they're wrong. Let them get their own song . . ."Here again is the song's core: the Republican ideal of the disenfranchised picking themselves up by their own bootstraps (or, more favorably, teaching them to fish as opposed to just giving them a fish . . .) is the real problem. >> One of my husband's and my favorite quotes is by Abraham Lincoln: "The greatness of a nation depends not on how it treats its rich and powerful, but rather on how it treats its poor and powerless." Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:07:41 -0800 From: Martin Subject: Re: polotics and new tunes? Hello Shelley and All... (a two part message: 1st to everyone and 2nd to Shelley and interested musicians) 1) I love the various posts recently regarding John's songs and their political/social implications as seen through noisers eyes. I particularly enjoyed Dans thoughts of *Abraham* not just because he is able to criticize his own party (democrats are far from innocent in the money controlled, special interest politics of today), but because he brings to light a simple fact: Folk music has always had an activist body, a social and political mind, and a human heart. And while I won't speak for various artist's intentions, their music tells a story of our time. It is clear to me today's story is one of need; the need for compassion (Prime time to forgive); the need for clear minds (Prime time to forget) to remember what affects us and how (What was that that I just said); and the need for (right) action vs. complacence in our 'prosperity' (chorus (again) to Saints). What do you all think? 2)Thanks for the many hints and suggestions. They are working, although I've always had trouble with John's timing in his picking patterns. So unique, and righto, not easy. Tabs or notes is fine, though tabs might be easier. I don't want you to go to much trouble. Whatever you have will be fine and fun. I never try to play 'exact notation' anyway (ha! even if I could). By the way, did you notice the faint chorus of deep voices towards the end Wisheries? I didn't until I put on headphones. Am curious what you thought of that. So, Right On Woman!! This will be a proverbial *blast*! I'm sure we'll send many an email as summer comes upon us. Of course a traveling companion is welcome also. It is a long drive. We should talk about that. You're cutting the edge of fall/winter for the North country. Maybe consider the ferry from Seattle or Prince Rupert to Haines. In any case, I can see pix and webpage postings in the works. Don't worry about the 'dough'. Can get it when you arrive. And feel free to email me. Looking at this last stuff, think that would be better from now on. But......Any more adventurous souls on the list? I've got a big basement .~_~. Martin ------------------------------ End of good-noise-digest V4 #71 *******************************