From: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org (good-noise-digest) To: good-noise-digest@smoe.org Subject: good-noise-digest V4 #34 Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org Sender: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk good-noise-digest Friday, February 23 2001 Volume 04 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: This was an injury, too [SAbrams613@aol.com] Re: With the best of intentions, Bryn & Sam ... ["Dan Lins" ] Re: Bryn had the best of intentions ["Diane Fields" ] Re: Bryn had the best of intentions ["Diane Fields" ] Anticipation [Smithfinn@aol.com] Re: Jonatha Brooke [Matthew Bester ] Re: Dan says! ["samsara" ] Ignoranimous says [Smithfinn@aol.com] Re: Bryn had the best of intentions [ThePsyche@aol.com] Re: Ignoranimous says ["samsara" ] Re: Jonatha Brooke ["josanne" ] Re: Jonatha Brooke [Martin ] Re: Jonatha Brooke ["Dan Lins" ] Re: Jonatha Brooke ["Dan Lins" ] POP QUIZ [ThePsyche@aol.com] Re: Jonatha Brooke [Martin ] Re: Ignoranimous says ["cycle12345" ] Re: Ignoranimous says ["samsara" ] Re: Ignoranimous says ["cycle12345" ] Bryn says [ThePsyche@aol.com] Sara speaks! ["samsara" ] Re: Sara speaks! ["cycle12345" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 05:56:10 EST From: SAbrams613@aol.com Subject: Re: This was an injury, too Hi Sam, Just to keep things in balance, I am also the person you might well despise because I think bootlegs are theft of an artist's intellectual property. I am not well loved on this list. In fact, one passionate bootleg advocate posted a hint that I might lie about my own identity. 'The one who calls herself Barbara' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:45:01 -0600 From: "Dan Lins" Subject: Re: With the best of intentions, Bryn & Sam ... Bryn said: With this CD.....hmmm, how can I put it? I guess, the best way to say it is, the boy became a man. Sam says: With the best of intentions, I have to say that the man was a man when he did 'Between Five and Seven.' Dan says: All right, you two. Enough of the "We've-got-the-new-CD-and-you-don't" sing-song banter. No "boy" could write half the tracks on "I Know," for goodnoise sakes! Let's face it, Gorka always has been an old soul. It's you and me who are just now catching up. ======================= Dan Lins Assistant Editor cdl@tyndale.com ======================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:33:13 EST From: Smithfinn@aol.com Subject: Bryn had the best of intentions I must defend Bryn because I know (I think) how she truly views this all behind the scenes. I wanted to hout to the world how absolutely flawless this CD was when we first heard it (which was actually quite a few weeks ago) and Bryn admonished me, telling me not to brag and set ourselves apart from others on the list. Forgive us our enthusiasm...it will be here soon and I am willing to pick up copies for anyone who wants one when we see John in Chicago on March 11. But then, by the time I mailed it, you could probably get it yourself. Let me know. Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:07:22 -0500 From: "Diane Fields" Subject: Re: Bryn had the best of intentions I agree about John being an 'old soul'. That's what attracted me to his music years ago. I have to say that "Prom night in Pig Town' is still one of my favorites--I'm not sure how others feel about this song--its seems to work on a lot of levels for me. Anxiously awaiting the new CD--you can talk about it, that's okay with me. Just makes me anticipate it more. Diane Diane B. Fields picnic@charter.net dyer/weaver/colorist of interior textiles Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:47:20 -0500 From: "Diane Fields" Subject: Re: Bryn had the best of intentions I neglected to put a GREAT bit 'smiley' after that last line *GBS* or :>))))) Diane B. Fields picnic@charter.net dyer/weaver/colorist of interior textiles > Anxiously awaiting the new CD--you can talk about it, that's okay with me. > Just makes me anticipate it more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:56:00 -0500 From: "Diane Fields" Subject: Re: Bryn had the best of intentions Geez, I can't even type this morning--well, that was a great BIG smiley. Maybe I should switch to my longtime online nick--'picnic', since everyone seems to be incognito here *S*. > I neglected to put a GREAT bit 'smiley' after that last line *GBS* or > :>))))) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:11:53 EST From: Smithfinn@aol.com Subject: Anticipation Thanks Diane for the nice post! Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:56:28 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Bester Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke Martin, I'm going to see Jennifer Kimball in a few weeks. Could I impose on you to send along a short review of the show? Thanks. Matt Quoting Martin : > Jos writes: > It's a small world.... > Bryn writes: > Thanks for the six degrees of separation post! > > pokes his head out of the *Silence* to say: I'm going to see Jennifer > Kimball > (and Peter Mulvey) this Friday, thus effectively broadening the 'small > world'. > Jennifer, you will remember is a frequent of John's performances and part > of > Story, with Jonatha Brooke. Isn't it strangely beautiful how through the > interconnection of these musicians, we connect? From Alaska, waves to Jos > half > way around the world, and to Bryn, a little closer..... ~Martin, madly > learning Jonatha's alternate tunings.... > - ------------------------------------------------- Created by Zkey.com - http://www.zkey.com Awarded PCMagazine's Editors' Choice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:23:03 -0600 From: "samsara" Subject: Re: Dan says! Hi Dan! First time I've met ya, and what an introduction! I'm still wiping green tea off my monitor! This group has the best sense of humor! * Sorry Bryn, about the 'best of intentions' message. I sometimes get uppity when I drink Blackberry Merlot... I can be an an ignoramimous sometimes. Ignoranimous, that's the word... * I requested the 'Basic Posting Guidelines' from majordomo and I found that it has built-in filters that may delay a post, and one of them is 'very long messages.' Our review was fairly long and obviously that's why it hasn't shown up. So we'll wait and see what happens. I also requested a list of the good-noise members and there are 99 of us (plus the owner of the group - Chris Thorpe)! It's full! It isn't alphabetical, and I wonder how it came out in this specific order... I don't think it's chronological because, well, it just doesn't look like it could be. It's interesting to see all the addresses. We have Harvard, UCLA, and Cornell on board. Quite a few edu's, actually. There's even a Salvation Army! I'd like to take this opportunity to say hi to friends and lurkers alike! In a way, it's kind of nice that our group is fairly quiet. I used to be a member of the Nanci Griffith group and I had to unsubscribe because of all the posts. I couldn't keep up with it all. Good-noise keeps me hopping enough. :>))))) (as Diane puts it). I'm looking forward to the time when all of us have the new album. That is so nice of Susan to offer to pick up CD's for anyone who asks. (Let's see... 96 X 15 is, um... carry 3... hmm... ouch! Oh well, we all know about those webmasters. Can you say 'moneytree'? Heh heh) Everybody take care and I'll talk to you later! Sam (yesterday's ignoramus, today's humble servant) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:56:49 EST From: Smithfinn@aol.com Subject: Ignoranimous says Ignoranimous, that's the word. Sam, you are guilty of the same thing! Did I offer to PAY for any CD's I pick up? Help! I hope not! Not as loaded as Sam appears to be! I hope to buy several though for various purposes. But, seriously, will advance the funds for anyone who wants one.....standing in line to get 96 autographed copies...jeesh! I will be exhausted and Mr. Gorka will never want to see MY face again... Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:05:17 EST From: ThePsyche@aol.com Subject: Re: Bryn had the best of intentions Smithfinn@aol.com writes: > This is assuming I needed any defending in the first place, which I did not. I prefer not to talk about the new CD until we can all share our impressions. Yes, I did *hint* at one of the new songs when I wrote the line about the boy became a man. No one would have been the wiser but another let Gorka out of the bag. I'll remove myself from the discussion for now, preferring to wait until we are all on the same page. Namaste, Bryn, speaking for herself ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:46:49 -0600 From: "samsara" Subject: Re: Ignoranimous says Susan, I did it on porpoise! Now look what I've done. I've offended Bryn who I think is really fun and rowdy. I stepped over the line. Rats. Sam the Rat >Ignoranimous, that's the word. Sam, you are guilty of the same thing! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:03:16 +0100 From: "josanne" Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke Bryn wrote: > Jos? Jos what are you doing? Madly planning your next bootleg release? They > say things happen in threes ya know? Hi Bryn, For the next months I don't have plans, because I am going to listen to the company you keep. But never say no...... perhaps a CD sampler "John Gorka the backing vocal singer" ? Jos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:38:49 -0900 From: Martin Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke Matthew Bester wrote: > Martin, > > I'm going to see Jennifer Kimball in a few weeks. Could I impose on > you to send along a short review of the show? Thanks. > Matthew ~ I'd be happy to, however, one question: should I post it here, as this is the Gorka site, or just send it to you? ~Martin (who usually has no lips to speak of, and is used to being collectively misunderstood). Pop quiz, Quick! Which song? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:42:11 -0600 From: "Dan Lins" Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke Airstream Bohemians, of course. ======================= Dan Lins Assistant Editor cdl@tyndale.com ======================= >>> Martin 02/22/01 03:38PM >>> Matthew Bester wrote: > Martin, > > I'm going to see Jennifer Kimball in a few weeks. Could I impose on > you to send along a short review of the show? Thanks. > Matthew ~ I'd be happy to, however, one question: should I post it here, as this is the Gorka site, or just send it to you? ~Martin (who usually has no lips to speak of, and is used to being collectively misunderstood). Pop quiz, Quick! Which song? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:41:21 -0600 From: "Dan Lins" Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke Airstream Bohemians, of course. ======================= Dan Lins Assistant Editor cdl@tyndale.com ======================= >>> Martin 02/22/01 03:38PM >>> Matthew Bester wrote: > Martin, > > I'm going to see Jennifer Kimball in a few weeks. Could I impose on > you to send along a short review of the show? Thanks. > Matthew ~ I'd be happy to, however, one question: should I post it here, as this is the Gorka site, or just send it to you? ~Martin (who usually has no lips to speak of, and is used to being collectively misunderstood). Pop quiz, Quick! Which song? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:17:11 EST From: ThePsyche@aol.com Subject: POP QUIZ Airstream Bohemians, one of my favorites. Bryn, who has the recipe for sweet love ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:46:00 -0900 From: Martin Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke Dan Lins wrote: > Airstream Bohemians, of course. > Dan Lins Wins...of course! (Twice?) Not sure what the prize is. Perhaps a recently discovered Jonatha Brooke tuning, as we're still milking her name in the subject area? Congrats Dan...somehow this all, must help Bryn in her mad lyric learning......WOOPS! as I write, Bryn comes in a close 2nd! See, it is working! ~Martin (who's still searching for that recipe....) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:32:06 -0500 From: "cycle12345" Subject: Re: Ignoranimous says Sam, Sam, Sam . . . not to worry! The mercury (or is it iodine?) in her thermometer usually comes back down just about as fast as it goes up . . . Been there, done that, got several torn and tattered t-shirts to prove it, lived to tell about it . . . ("PBBPP", put down that rolling pin! This is the second time this week!) Duck, Sam! She's aiming for me, but you could be in the line of fire! AAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEE!!!!! S t e v e > Susan, I did it on porpoise! > Now look what I've done. I've offended Bryn who I think is really fun and > rowdy. I stepped over the line. > Rats. > Sam the Rat > >Ignoranimous, that's the word. Sam, you are guilty of the same thing! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:24:04 -0600 From: "samsara" Subject: Re: Ignoranimous says Steve, Steve, Steve! It's great to hear from you! And thanks! I was beginning to wonder if anyone would talk to me again. Sheesh! Really, I was just kidding around. I'm learning fast now. I've received a couple other encouraging emails and I'm feeling better, but still, I wish I could take it back... Wine does that to me... What seems playful sometimes comes out as biting. It always amazes me. Believe me, I've had a self-analyzing day... I re-read my original message at least 20 times. I understand where Bryn's coming from, and she's right - I shouldn't have said anything. I just couldn't resist at the time. I have to remember that I am still a newbee in here. Onward! But now without so much reckless abandon... (I must be considerate of others, I must be considerate of others...) Well, I love throwing out odd thoughts that entertain me. I've been thinking about tossing out a few to good-noise for some time now. It'd be fun to see who comes out of Lurkville and responds. One thing I've been debating lately, and aggravating my Iowa friends with, is - if we eventually increase our lifespan to 200, 300 years, how in the world will we be able to remember all the great songs we'll come to love? Not to mention all the people we'll know! The scientists are shooting for immortality! I know that we supposedly use only 10 percent of our hard drive but eventually we're gonna blue screen! Heh heh. My pop is 81 years old and he still knows most of the words to his favorite songs. (Oh, what a beautiful morrrrrrning...) And we all hold onto 'Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star,' etc. But then again, he probably hasn't had a new favorite song, or album, in 60 years! I'm positive he doesn't know any words to any Beatles songs! Maybe that's what happens - our minds convince us that the new stuff isn't worth knowing, keeping the blue screen at bay. I don't know - it's just fun to think about... Oh, I've got a bunch of them. The age thing is a minor one. I'm really interested in debating the philosophy of love. (Has anyone ever been to www.allexperts.com?) I know that there is some serious intelligence in this group, so I value any input. I know that we're *supposed* to be BSing about JG and related stuff, but I can't resist asking other questions. Good-noise would be a great think tank. Thanks again, Steve! Where are you in this big land of ours? Later then, Gorkans! Sam, whose hero is Bugs Bunny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:00:54 -0500 From: "cycle12345" Subject: Re: Ignoranimous says Hi, hi, hi, Sam! As I said earlier, you are in no trouble with anyone. I, for one, am not the least bit bothered by the fact that some of you have gotten the new John Gorka CD, "The Company You Keep", earlier than others. You and your wife drove through a blinding snow storm to get yours, and PBBPP and Susan have worked their butts off on their JG website to the benefit of all the rest of us. I'm glad for all of you and wish I had remembered to ask you to pick one up for me while you were there. If I had asked you to do so, I'm sure you would have. Then I could have said sure, Sam, thanks for the great CD, the check is in the mail, man . . . Yes, "inquiring minds" need to know those types of things, and I, too, am convinced that science is on the verge of establishing "immortality" for those of us who think they want it. I agree; many people stop listening to "new" music, or listening to "new" ideas, etc. at various ages. I once knew a guy who was a big high school football star in my graduating class, but after that he really didn't do much else with his life. Whenever I have encountered him, now many years later, he is still listening to the same songs that had been popular when he was in high school. That's fine - to each his own, but it serves to offer further evidence in support of your theory that many people lock in on specific music, ideas, ideals, principles, etc. and are not likely to change thereafter. To answer your other question, I live in Roanoke County, Virginia, which is in the western part of the state about four hours southwest of Washington, D.C. on I-81. It's a three-hour drive due east to our state capital, Richmond, and about the same driving time south to Charlotte, NC. Last May, my youngest son (Bobby, age 18) and I flew out to Des Moines and then took a cab up to Ames so that he and his high school "Destination Imagination/Oddyssey of the Mind" (DI/OM) team could compete in the "world" finals there after winning in the local, state and regional competitions, and we had a great time at Iowa State University. It is very much like Virginia Tech, where both of my sons are now enrolled. Bobby's majoring in aerospace engineering and Steven, Jr., is majoring in German and English. One of the great things about our location here is that David Wilcox and John Gorka both play quite frequently in the Maryland/Virginia/D.C. area, so I have several opportunities to see them each year. Our whole family has seen David Wilcox at least once, and Steven and I drove up to northern Virginia a few months ago in order to see John Gorka for the first time. It was well worth the eight-hour round trip, especially since Lucy Kaplansky was there at the Birchmere with him. Well, we've taken up enough of this slack "list time", so I guess we had better move over and let someone else "talk" for awhile. (Oh . . . and please stay out of trouble, Sam.) Thanks! Steve > Steve, Steve, Steve! It's great to hear from you! > And thanks! I was beginning to wonder if anyone would talk to me again. > Sheesh! > Really, I was just kidding around. I'm learning fast now. I've received a > couple other encouraging emails and I'm feeling better, but still, I wish I > could take it back... > Wine does that to me... What seems playful sometimes comes out as biting. It > always amazes me. Believe me, I've had a self-analyzing day... I re-read my > original message at least 20 times. I understand where Bryn's coming from, > and she's right - I shouldn't have said anything. I just couldn't resist at > the time. I have to remember that I am still a newbee in here. > Onward! But now without so much reckless abandon... (I must be considerate > of others, I must be considerate of others...) > Well, I love throwing out odd thoughts that entertain me. I've been thinking > about tossing out a few to good-noise for some time now. It'd be fun to see > who comes out of Lurkville and responds. One thing I've been debating lately, > and aggravating my Iowa friends with, is - if we eventually increase our > lifespan to 200, 300 years, how in the world will we be able to remember all > the great songs we'll come to love? Not to mention all the people we'll know! > The scientists are shooting for immortality! I know that we supposedly use > only 10 percent of our hard drive but eventually we're gonna blue screen! Heh heh. > My pop is 81 years old and he still knows most of the words to his favorite > songs. (Oh, what a beautiful morrrrrrning...) And we all hold onto 'Twinkle, > Twinkle Little Star,' etc. But then again, he probably hasn't had a new > favorite song, or album, in 60 years! I'm positive he doesn't know any words > to any Beatles songs! Maybe that's what happens - our minds convince us that > the new stuff isn't worth knowing, keeping the blue screen at bay. I don't > know - it's just fun to think about... > Oh, I've got a bunch of them. The age thing is a minor one. I'm really > interested in debating the philosophy of love. (Has anyone ever been to > www.allexperts.com?) I know that there is some serious intelligence in this > group, so I value any input. I know that we're *supposed* to be BSing about > JG and related stuff, but I can't resist asking other questions. Good-noise > would be a great think tank. > Thanks again, Steve! Where are you in this big land of ours? > Later then, Gorkans! > Sam, whose hero is Bugs Bunny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:23:56 EST From: ThePsyche@aol.com Subject: Bryn says Since we are talking about music....and aging, and living forever and parents, I offer this to you all tonight and to my own 80 year old Mother who is disappearing right before my eyes with Alzheimer's: Not my words, but I know how the boy feels: I wish that you could live forever And that I could be there too And that there'd be generations To look after me and you But I know that isn't likely So I guess I'll say it now That I'll love you past the boundaries That time and breath allow Peace, Bryn, Betty's daughter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:41:07 -0600 From: "samsara" Subject: Sara speaks! Hello group! Wife of Sam here, with a few thoughts on Gorka and some assorted opinions.... Sam turned me on to Gorka, Griffith and Wilcox not long after we met. He got into them when he lived in The Granola State, Colorado. I listened, I got to know, I enjoyed...to a point. My taste in music tends toward the upbeat, so it wasn't an instant love affair. The first Gorka song I heard that really did it for me was 'Lightning's Blues'. What a groove!! I was impressed with the line about 'women, wind, and summer dresses'...that hooked me!! I then listened for the subtle imagery in his lyrics, the sly humor, the human insights. The songs that I had written off as 'deep for the sake of being deep' became sincere and knowing. But I didn't become truly Gorkan until... the recent concert in Des Moines. That was the first time I saw him perform live. --- a little background here, stick with me --- I coach speaking events for our local high school. We're in the middle of our season right now, so I've been doing a lot of talking about the difference between *speaking* and *performing* lately, the finer points of communication with empathy for an audience who is spending time listening that they cannot get back. So these things were fresh in my mind when I saw the show, and thus I experienced the true magic of John Gorka. I've been to a lot of live shows in my time, and none of them equaled JG for pure entertainment value. No swirling lights, no pyrotechnics...these are the smoke and mirrors of big-label bands hoping to distract the crowd from the fact that they have nothing new to say. There is no substitute for the kind of joy John shares with his audience. I can't wait to be a part of it again! I'm so glad that this group exists... Knowing there are so many fellow Gorkans out there helps me feel better about the world. Bye for now - Sara, aka Mrs Sam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:12:32 -0500 From: "cycle12345" Subject: Re: Sara speaks! Hello, Sara, the formerly silent, other half of the famous "samsara" team - thanks for your post! Now that was an excellent, excellent contribution which you made to this list. Also, anyone who would offer the highest bid in order to purchase one of John Gorka's guitar picks for her husband has got to be "good people". You and Sam have brought a breath of fresh air to us, and we certainly appreciate it. Please stay active and involved! Thanks again! Steve > Hello group! Wife of Sam here, with a few thoughts on Gorka and some assorted > opinions.... > > Sam turned me on to Gorka, Griffith and Wilcox not long after we met. He got > into them when he lived in The Granola State, Colorado. I listened, I got to > know, I enjoyed...to a point. My taste in music tends toward the upbeat, so > it wasn't an instant love affair. The first Gorka song I heard that really > did it for me was 'Lightning's Blues'. What a groove!! I was impressed with > the line about 'women, wind, and summer dresses'...that hooked me!! I then > listened for the subtle imagery in his lyrics, the sly humor, the human > insights. The songs that I had written off as 'deep for the sake of being > deep' became sincere and knowing. But I didn't become truly Gorkan until... > > the recent concert in Des Moines. That was the first time I saw him perform > live. --- a little background here, stick with me --- I coach speaking > events for our local high school. We're in the middle of our season right > now, so I've been doing a lot of talking about the difference between > *speaking* and *performing* lately, the finer points of communication with > empathy for an audience who is spending time listening that they cannot get > back. So these things were fresh in my mind when I saw the show, and thus I > experienced the true magic of John Gorka. I've been to a lot of live shows in > my time, and none of them equaled JG for pure entertainment value. No > swirling lights, no pyrotechnics...these are the smoke and mirrors of > big-label bands hoping to distract the crowd from the fact that they have > nothing new to say. There is no substitute for the kind of joy John shares > with his audience. I can't wait to be a part of it again! > > I'm so glad that this group exists... Knowing there are so many fellow > Gorkans out there helps me feel better about the world. > > Bye for now - Sara, aka Mrs Sam ------------------------------ End of good-noise-digest V4 #34 *******************************