From: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org (good-noise-digest) To: good-noise-digest@smoe.org Subject: good-noise-digest V4 #11 Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org Sender: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk good-noise-digest Sunday, January 28 2001 Volume 04 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- between one and eight SOLD OUT in less than 18 hours ["josanne" ] Re: Boots..Reply to Susan in Oakland [ThePsyche@aol.com] Re: Boots [patrick t power ] A copy, please? [Joe DeRouen ] A copy, please? [Joe DeRouen ] Re: the bootleg CD issue [SAbrams613@aol.com] Bootlegs [Smithfinn@aol.com] Re: the bootleg CD issue [Joe DeRouen ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:35:08 +0100 From: "josanne" Subject: between one and eight SOLD OUT in less than 18 hours It is a pitty, but the CD "between one and eight" sold out in less then 18 hours. The 12 CD are going to: John Gorka and his manager David Tamulevich, Susan Finn, Joe DeRouen, Bryn, Kris Pancoast, Timothy Miller, Adam Bailey, "Steve Cycle12345", Mark Brown, Mary Sansone and Dan Lins. Regards Jos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:52:47 -0800 From: "Susan Krauss" Subject: Boots Most true fans TRADE music they don't sell it and take the money away from the artist. If you want to trade, I'll trade. But I'll never spend money on bootlegs and I hope John's management points out the illegality of your post and sends you a restraining order. susan in oakland ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:35:16 EST From: ThePsyche@aol.com Subject: Re: Boots..Reply to Susan in Oakland Welcome to the discussion. About 6 months back Jos offered up a bootleg. He is in Holland and had access to an excellent radio feed tape from John's visit there in 91. At that time this discussion arose with the inclusion of David Tamulevich, John's manager. We all understand that NO ONE should make a profit off John's recording except John. We all agree with that. But at that time, also after the discussion, David and John each requested a copy of the said bootleg, which they received. I had the pleasure of having that bootleg signed by John who loved it. My point is, Jos is not selling them. The money he is requesting is only to cover his cost to send them from Holland and to make them. He does not profit. So, yes, money is exchanging hands, but no one is getting rich from this bootleg. Thanks for adding your voice to what has been a very quiet list! Adios, Bryn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:26:11 -0500 From: patrick t power Subject: Re: Boots susan in oakland wrote: <> Hmmm . . . doesn't it take money to buy the media of your choice (tapes vs. CD) in order to perform the trades? Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:30:26 -0600 From: Joe DeRouen Subject: A copy, please? ThePsyche@aol.com wrote: > About 6 months back Jos offered up a bootleg. He is in Holland and had access > to an excellent radio feed tape from John's visit there in 91. I wasn't one of the one's lucky enough to get a copy of this. If anyone has it, please, I'd love to get a copy. I'll supply the CD-R, paper, postage, whatever you need, so you don't have to worry about selling anything. :) And, everyone, stop picking on Jos. Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:30:36 -0600 From: Joe DeRouen Subject: A copy, please? ThePsyche@aol.com wrote: > About 6 months back Jos offered up a bootleg. He is in Holland and had access > to an excellent radio feed tape from John's visit there in 91. I wasn't one of the one's lucky enough to get a copy of this. If anyone has it, please, I'd love to get a copy. I'll supply the CD-R, paper, postage, whatever you need, so you don't have to worry about selling anything. :) And, everyone, stop picking on Jos. Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:22:40 EST From: SAbrams613@aol.com Subject: Re: the bootleg CD issue I don't think anyone involved in this discussion is picking on Jos. He's an intelligent man and, from what I can gather, has made the decision to make these bootleg CD's with a lot of comment from this list and the input of both John and his manager. Personally, I disagree with his decision, but he did not make it carelessly or furtively. When I read thse posts, my perception is we're discussing the financial and moral ramifications of making bootlegs, not attacking Jos. Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:38:20 EST From: Smithfinn@aol.com Subject: Bootlegs Just for the record, so Jos isn't out there hanging by himself, I personally paid for almost every single CD that Jos has created the new CD out of for the sole purpose of having those unique Gorka tunes, and in the spirit of the friendship that has developed between myself and Jos as Gorka fans, have joyfully shared music with him that I knew he would enjoy. I cannot believe that no one else ever shares music with their friends. I have never really thought of the illegality of it and would never encourage this if John and David said, "Please don't." Also for the record, Jos wrote David ahead of time and told him he was doing this and hoped he wouldn't tell him not to do it. The nice thing that has come of buying the CD's is the treasure trove of other artists that are contained on them as well. I love the experience of hearing John's voice come up amidst other talented folk artists and every time I find one of these gems, always try to share them wth Jos and others. I personally talked to John about Jos' first bootleg and he was very amused by it all. He signed my copy and told me his memories of the event that Jos had taped in Holland. He loved the cover photos of himself and Shawn Colvin and did not seem upset at all about his music being "ripped off". The way I came to know and love John's music was because my now husband made me a cassette tape of "Land of the Bottom Line" and "I Know", hoping I would get excited by this singer he had discovered and wanted to woo me with his songs. I later went out and bought the CD's. I think sharing cuts is just a way to get interested in new music. Maybe I am awfully naive about this, but this is how it is for me. I am sad to see everyone on this list get all upset again about this issue. Jos does not make these CD's for any profit or in any spirit of illegality. He just loves John's music and loves collecting it. He has not seen him in concert since 1994 and this is his way, I think, of staying involved from far away in Europe. Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:34:15 -0600 From: Joe DeRouen Subject: Re: the bootleg CD issue SAbrams613@aol.com wrote: > I don't think anyone involved in this discussion is picking on Jos. He's an > intelligent man and, from what I can gather, has made the decision to make > these bootleg CD's with a lot of comment from this list and the input of both > John and his manager. Personally, I disagree with his decision, but he did > not make it carelessly or furtively. But if John Gorka and his manager are allright with the bootlegs - and from everything I've heard, they are - then why are we even discussing this? I'm not saying this to be rude, just that if the man who's music is being bootlegged doesn't have a problem with it, how can we, fans of the man who's music is being bootlegged, have a problem with it? Joe ------------------------------ End of good-noise-digest V4 #11 *******************************