From: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org (good-noise-digest) To: good-noise-digest@smoe.org Subject: good-noise-digest V2 #131 Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org Sender: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-good-noise-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk good-noise-digest Friday, November 5 1999 Volume 02 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Live Performances ["Mike Smith" ] Re: List on CD ["Mike Smith" ] New and Improved List ["Mike Smith" ] Re: Live Performances [Smithfinn@aol.com] RE: List on CD ["David M. Hohman" ] RE: List on CD ["Dayna Cummings" ] Re: List on CD ["Adam M. Bailey" ] Re: New and Improved List [Greg Steele ] Re: List on CD [FolkDude@aol.com] Re: List on CD [Greg Steele ] RE: List on CD ["Mike Smith" ] Re: List on CD ["Gary Bouchard" ] Once more, the List ["Mike Smith" ] Re: Once more, the List [FolkDude@aol.com] Re: List on CD [SAbrams613@aol.com] RE: List on CD ["David M. Hohman" ] Re: List on CD [SMOKEY596@aol.com] Re: List on CD [Davidfta@aol.com] Re: List on CD ["Adam M. Bailey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 06:24:56 PST From: "Mike Smith" Subject: Re: Live Performances I've only seen him once, but hearing Houses in the Fields on piano moved me unlike any song I've heard performed by anyone, period. Mike >From: ThePsyche@aol.com >Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org >To: good-noise@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Updated List >Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:35:23 EST > >My first listen to Gorka was on a compilation Cd from Live At Mountain >Stage. > >The song on that CD is Gypsy Life. > >That song is to this day my favorite live performance song. He does it >often. > >Do others on the list have favorite songs that really come to life in a >special way when heard live? > >Adios, Bryn > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 06:26:26 PST From: "Mike Smith" Subject: Re: List on CD I'd buy it! Mike >From: SAbrams613@aol.com >Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org >To: good-noise@smoe.org >Subject: Re: List Revised >Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:26:51 EST > >Do you think JG would ever put out a CD of all the songs on 'the list'? It >would be great to have them in one place. > >Barbara > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 06:33:19 PST From: "Mike Smith" Subject: New and Improved List With Zach's addition, the list becomes: Christmas Bells - Winter Solstice III Sweet Love - Kate Wolf: Treasures Left Behind 24 Green Street - P.P.& M. (Peter, Paul & Mary) Lifelines The Water Is Wide - Were Have All The Flowers Gone: The Songs of Pete Seeger Furniture - Motor Folkin The Campaign Trail - Motor Folkin (early recording) Let Them In - House on Fire - Vol. 2 The Lock Keeper - The Folk Scene Collection:From The Heart of Studio A Song For New Years Eve - A Lost World- Poems of Robert Graves Down, Wanton, Down - A Lost World- Poems of Robert Graves Thirsty Boots - Becker Street- Greenwich Village in the 60's Bracero - What's That I Hear- The Songs of Phil Ochs While Roving on a - Heritage Winters Night I noticed that John Gorka appears on other compilations, but with songs from his own CD's. Does anyone know if these are the same recordings or different versions? Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:50:09 EST From: Smithfinn@aol.com Subject: Re: Live Performances Two years ago I saw John perform "Shenandoah" on piano in Madison in a beautiful old church. Like "Houses in the Fields" on piano, it was stunning and I replayed it in my memory for weeks! What a gift he has.... Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:31:09 -0600 From: "David M. Hohman" Subject: RE: List on CD There is no reason that this list couldn't put all of the songs on "the list" together on CD. I'd be willing to compile everything and burn it on to CDRs and distribute it. In the end with nice artwork and jewel case it would probably cost $2.00 plus postage. The problem is that I only have four of these on CD (Christmas Bell, Sweet Love, The Lock Keeper and The Water Is Wide) so others would have to loan their discs to the project. All discs would be return immediatley and if you loan something you would get the compilation for free. I've participated in these type of compilations on other lists and they can be alot of fun. Let me know if there is any interest and if there are any volunteers to help out. Dave H > >Do you think JG would ever put out a CD of all the songs on 'the > list'? It > >would be great to have them in one place. > > > >Barbara > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:43:52 -0400 From: "Dayna Cummings" Subject: RE: List on CD I, for one, would LOVE to have one of these CD's and, I would be willing to pay much more than $2.00 for it!! Dayna, in Halifax From: "David M. Hohman" To: Subject: RE: List on CD Date sent: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:31:09 -0600 Send reply to: good-noise@smoe.org > There is no reason that this list couldn't put all of the songs on "the > list" together on CD. I'd be willing to compile everything and burn it on to > CDRs and distribute it. In the end with nice artwork and jewel case it would > probably cost $2.00 plus postage. The problem is that I only have four of > these on CD (Christmas Bell, Sweet Love, The Lock Keeper and The Water Is > Wide) so others would have to loan their discs to the project. All discs > would be return immediatley and if you loan something you would get the > compilation for free. I've participated in these type of compilations on > other lists and they can be alot of fun. Let me know if there is any > interest and if there are any volunteers to help out. > > Dave H > > > >Do you think JG would ever put out a CD of all the songs on 'the > > list'? It > > >would be great to have them in one place. > > > > > >Barbara > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:05:19 -0000 From: "Adam M. Bailey" Subject: Re: List on CD What are the legal implications for doing such? - -----Original Message----- From: David M. Hohman To: good-noise@smoe.org Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 5:35 PM Subject: RE: List on CD >There is no reason that this list couldn't put all of the songs on "the >list" together on CD. I'd be willing to compile everything and burn it on to >CDRs and distribute it. In the end with nice artwork and jewel case it would >probably cost $2.00 plus postage. The problem is that I only have four of >these on CD (Christmas Bell, Sweet Love, The Lock Keeper and The Water Is >Wide) so others would have to loan their discs to the project. All discs >would be return immediatley and if you loan something you would get the >compilation for free. I've participated in these type of compilations on >other lists and they can be alot of fun. Let me know if there is any >interest and if there are any volunteers to help out. > >Dave H > >> >Do you think JG would ever put out a CD of all the songs on 'the >> list'? It >> >would be great to have them in one place. >> > >> >Barbara >> > >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:17:42 -0500 From: Greg Steele Subject: Re: New and Improved List Mike Smith wrote: > > I noticed that John Gorka appears on other compilations, but with songs from > his own CD's. Does anyone know if these are the same recordings or > different versions? > As far as I know (which ain't far, i suppose), most of John's stuff on "label sampler" type compilations are from his own CDs. These types of compilations are usually promotional in nature and therefore samples taken from existing CDs that the label is trying to sell. The other, "tribute" type compilations are another thing altogether, and usually those songs, if they do turn up on a later CD, are different recordings. Greg http://www.gregorysteele.com/music/gorka_indx.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:23:27 EST From: FolkDude@aol.com Subject: Re: List on CD > What are the legal implications for doing such? I am not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure it would be a flagrant copyright violation. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= OTTO BOST Producer/Host of "Acoustic Eclectic" FolkDude@aol.com Mondays 7-9 PM Quakertown, PA USA 88.1 & 93.9 WDIY-FM, Allentown =-=-=< http://members.aol.com/folkdude/acouecle.html >=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:56:48 -0500 From: Greg Steele Subject: Re: List on CD "Adam M. Bailey" wrote: > > What are the legal implications for doing such? I'm not a lawyer, nor have I played one on TV, but the legality is probably about the same as uploading or downloading mp3 files of songs or making a tape copy of a CD and giving it to someone. For some, it's a gray area where as long as you're just trading, it's not a big deal. Others see it pretty black and white. No copying of something you do not have the rights to. Check any CD and you'll probably find a legal notice that any unauthorized copying by any means is copyright infringement. I've posted files of lyrics and chords to songs by John as well as other artists on my site. Music publishers don't like that idea and have shut down large archival sites like OLGA (OnLine Guitar Archive) and Lyrics.Com. But I've received kind emails from several artists including Cliff Eberhardt (who incidentally has a music book published with a dozen songs or so) and Kristen Hall, saying they appreciate the efforts and have no problems with it. So there ya go. Someone might try to run the idea past John if they can catch him after a show or something. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:18:48 PST From: "Mike Smith" Subject: RE: List on CD I'd love to see these songs on a single CD if there was a way for the artist to reap the benefits of his work. The reason I've been offering only partial samples of JG in .mp3 format is to let people hear some of the song and if they like it, they can go out and buy the whole song. I want Mr. Gorka to be able to make a living doing what he does so I can hear more in the future. If there's a way to do that, I'm for it. Mike >From: "David M. Hohman" >Reply-To: good-noise@smoe.org >To: >Subject: RE: List on CD >Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:31:09 -0600 > >There is no reason that this list couldn't put all of the songs on "the >list" together on CD. I'd be willing to compile everything and burn it on >to >CDRs and distribute it. In the end with nice artwork and jewel case it >would >probably cost $2.00 plus postage. The problem is that I only have four of >these on CD (Christmas Bell, Sweet Love, The Lock Keeper and The Water Is >Wide) so others would have to loan their discs to the project. All discs >would be return immediatley and if you loan something you would get the >compilation for free. I've participated in these type of compilations on >other lists and they can be alot of fun. Let me know if there is any >interest and if there are any volunteers to help out. > >Dave H > > > >Do you think JG would ever put out a CD of all the songs on 'the > > list'? It > > >would be great to have them in one place. > > > > > >Barbara > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:21:03 -0500 From: "Gary Bouchard" Subject: Re: List on CD >Greg Steele wrote: >"Someone might try to run the idea past John if they can catch him after a show >or something." I think this is a great idea.... I also think if you upped the price of the CD by a couple of bucks a disc, then a donation -- on John's behalf -- could be made to a charity.... John might go along with something like that(?) regards, gb - -------- "I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down.'" - Bob Newhart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:29:07 PST From: "Mike Smith" Subject: Once more, the List Thanks Bryn, One more time, here they are: Christmas Bells - Winter Solstice III Sweet Love - Kate Wolf: Treasures Left Behind 24 Green Street - P.P.& M. (Peter, Paul & Mary) Lifelines The Water Is Wide - Were Have All The Flowers Gone: The Songs of Pete Seeger Furniture - Motor Folkin The Campaign Trail - Motor Folkin (early recording) Let Them In - House on Fire - Vol. 2 The Lock Keeper - Folk Scene Collection:From The Heart of Studio A Song For New Years Eve - A Lost World- Poems of Robert Graves Down, Wanton, Down - A Lost World- Poems of Robert Graves Thirsty Boots - Becker Street- Greenwich Village in the 60's Bracero - What's That I Hear- The Songs of Phil Ochs While Roving on a - Heritage Winters Night Gypsy Life (Live) - Live From Mountain Stage That's 14 songs. More than I thought there would be when I started. Is that the end or is there a 15th out there somewhere? Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:05:39 EST From: FolkDude@aol.com Subject: Re: Once more, the List between5and7@hotmail.com writes: > That's 14 songs. More than I thought there would be > when I started. Is that the end or is there a 15th out > there somewhere? There are several more. Check out the "music" section of Annie Nugent's website at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1293/gorka.html By the way, the link for the Godfrey Daniels CD that's mentioned there is out of date. Instead see: http://members.aol.com/ottobost/sssnites.html Cheers, Otto =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= OTTO BOST Producer/Host of "Acoustic Eclectic" FolkDude@aol.com Mondays 7-9 PM Quakertown, PA USA 88.1 & 93.9 WDIY-FM, Allentown =-=-=< http://members.aol.com/folkdude/acouecle.html >=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:08:52 EST From: SAbrams613@aol.com Subject: Re: List on CD I know this is the latest hot technology, but I'm very uncomfortable with a CD that doesn't come from the artist and puts the profit back in his pocket. Heck, the man has a family and (soon) another mouth to feed. To me, burning our own compilation feels like we're stealing his musical gift. I know these are strong words, but the word 'theft' is playing in my head over and over again. If the guy from Red House records is reading this board, how about suggesting our 'list' to JG as his next CD? Barbara (who works in a State prison, remember! Hence the affection for the lost 'songs of Crime and Punishment') ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:48:02 -0600 From: "David M. Hohman" Subject: RE: List on CD I'm withdrawing the offer to make the CD. I apologize if my offer to compile this CD offended anyone. The purpose was not to steal anything from John but get some great hard to find music out to folks who may not have it. Dave H. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:32:16 EST From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: Re: List on CD Regarding the legalities of such a CD, since David reads the list, perhaps he can answer this for us?? SMOKEY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:56:52 EST From: Davidfta@aol.com Subject: Re: List on CD Regarding the legalities of such a CD, since David reads the list, perhaps he can answer this for us?? SMOKEY I have been watching this with much interest...I myself would like a cd like this. I am doing some checking, but I imagine there would be a whole lot of unhappy record company people if this hapened...and it's probably officially really illeagle. Would they care enough to make an isssue of it? Probably not. This is just a GUESS...but if these cds were not "sold" for a profit, but whatever fee someone paid was for handling, postage....hmmmmm...don't quote me on that. I will let you all know....David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:05:24 -0000 From: "Adam M. Bailey" Subject: Re: List on CD Perhaps the full songs could just be put on a site (in mp3 format) and people can download them and then choose whatever they do with them. If no money exchanges hands I dont really see a problem. It could be that whoever hosts the site only gives out the username and password after a charitable dontation to a charity of your choice has been made. it seems sort of a compromise where we get to hear the music but dont burn it onto a CD-R. just a possibility to consider. Adam - -----Original Message----- From: Davidfta@aol.com To: good-noise@smoe.org Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 2:00 AM Subject: Re: List on CD >Regarding the legalities of such a CD, since David reads the list, perhaps he >can answer this for us?? > >SMOKEY > >I have been watching this with much interest...I myself would like a cd like >this. I am doing some checking, but I imagine there would be a whole lot of >unhappy record company people if this hapened...and it's probably officially >really illeagle. Would they care enough to make an isssue of it? Probably >not. This is just a GUESS...but if these cds were not "sold" for a profit, >but whatever fee someone paid was for handling, postage....hmmmmm...don't >quote me on that. I will let you all know....David ------------------------------ End of good-noise-digest V2 #131 ********************************