From: owner-god-shiva-digest@smoe.org (god-shiva-digest) To: god-shiva-digest@smoe.org Subject: god-shiva-digest V1 #7 Reply-To: god-shiva@smoe.org Sender: owner-god-shiva-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-god-shiva-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk god-shiva-digest Wednesday, August 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 007 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NEW ALBUM ["Sundown Lady" ] Re: NEW ALBUM [Snow2iger@aol.com] Re: NEW ALBUM ["Sundown Lady" ] Re: NEW ALBUM [Apryl N Paris ] Re: NEW ALBUM [Snow2iger@aol.com] Re: NEW ALBUM [Mike Theiss ] Group Chat? [Apryl N Paris ] MNO Discography [Apryl N Paris ] Re: NEW ALBUM [Snow2iger@aol.com] Re: NEW ALBUM ["Sundown Lady" ] Re: Group Chat? ["Sundown Lady" ] Re: MNO Discography ["Sundown Lady" ] Re: NEW ALBUM ["Sundown Lady" ] Re: NEW ALBUM ["Sundown Lady" ] Re: NEW ALBUM [Snow2iger@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:16:25 -0700 From: "Sundown Lady" Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM - ---------- > From: Panella@aol.com > To: god-shiva@smoe.org > Subject: NEW ALBUM > Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 1:23 PM > > yes i know i know. we are all desperate for a new album but sorry to say, her > new project is not coming out any time soon. not even this year. just gotta > wear those old cd's and tapes out just a little bit more. > > For those of you who haven't heard, meshell has been butting heads with > maverick over the content of the album. for example, they don't like "Saving > Grace". They don't think that we, her fans, would like it, so they said NOPE, > that ain't going on the album. Well, let's be honest with ourselves. Maverick knows that we fans would listen to and buy her music even if she was only breathing...:) Fans are not the ones *they* want to please... just those masses who bring in the dollars. I'm certain that as her fan base increases, the record companies will be less likely to be so restrictive. IMHO, I'd like her see go in the direction of Larry Graham, Chaka, and The Artist. I believe she could still earn a living and maintain her creative freedom which is *truly* what us fans want! :) Sundownlady =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:31:27 EDT From: Snow2iger@aol.com Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM In a message dated 98-08-25 17:18:36 EDT, you write: << Well, let's be honest with ourselves. Maverick knows that we fans would listen to and buy her music even if she was only breathing...:) Fans are not the ones *they* want to please... just those masses who bring in the dollars. I'm certain that as her fan base increases, the record companies will be less likely to be so restrictive.>> But you see, it's a catch-22. How can her fan base increase when they're being so restrictive? There have been many, many unorthodox albums that were reluctantly released by record companies that are now classics, and have become big sellers. You don't really achieve anything in music (or art in general) unless you take a chance and challenge listeners preconceived notions about what a certain artist is "supposed" to sound like. <> I love Prince dearly, but I think at this point in Me'Shell's career she needs a lot of PROMOTION for that increased fan base, right? And Prince doesn't have the type of promotion that he used to since escaping the stiff suits at Warner Brothers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:13:25 -0700 From: "Sundown Lady" Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM - ---------- > From: Snow2iger@aol.com > To: god-shiva@smoe.org > Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 2:31 PM > > > But you see, it's a catch-22. How can her fan base increase when they're > being so restrictive? There have been many, many unorthodox albums that were > reluctantly released by record companies that are now classics, and have > become big sellers. You don't really achieve anything in music (or art in > general) unless you take a chance and challenge listeners preconceived notions > about what a certain artist is "supposed" to sound like. > I agree with the catch-22 situation, but we must remember we live in the U.S. The distribution of music is based upon creating, promoting, marketing, and selling preconceived notions. Albeit, a very sad sitituation, but this is how it's done. The proliferation of certain types of music (gangster rap, grunge, et al) was born out of that formula! Quite frankly, as ridiculous as this sounds, if Maverick had not been an upstart, Me'Shell would probably still be trying to secure a record contract. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way defending how this business operates. In fact, I think it's operation does a major dis-service to the music, the artists and the listeners. But as long one attempts to make a substantial living in the U.S. music market, you have to play the game as dirty as it is! > < Artist. I believe she could still earn a living and maintain her creative > freedom which is *truly* what us fans want! :) >> > > I love Prince dearly, but I think at this point in Me'Shell's career she needs > a lot of PROMOTION for that increased fan base, right? And Prince doesn't > have the type of promotion that he used to since escaping the stiff suits at > Warner Brothers. But does Prince really need that much promotion... he's a staple. From a "business" standpoint you're right, Me'Shell needs more promotion. But whether she's at Maverick or anywhere else, the game is the same. But what is this about? Are we trying to position her in business, or protecting and nurturing her creative freedom? As I'm sure Prince will attest to you can't have both! :) Just my $.02 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:25:35 From: Apryl N Paris Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM At 02:16 PM 8/25/98 -0700, you wrote: >IMHO, I'd like her see go in the direction of Larry Graham, Chaka, and The >Artist. I believe she could still earn a living and maintain her creative >freedom which is *truly* what us fans want! :) What an intereting choice of artists.. was that random? They will be here together inSeptembe... Yes.. I just pre-ordered my tickets! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pax, Apryl apryl@mail-me.com Always a GIRLFRIEND! AIM: AprylNP -- ICQ - 7776760 (APO) GIRLFRIENDS: http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3939 APRYL: http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3929 GIRLFRIEND: http://www.girlfriend.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:19:40 EDT From: Snow2iger@aol.com Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM In a message dated 98-08-25 19:13:56 EDT, you write: << But does Prince really need that much promotion... he's a staple. From a "business" standpoint you're right, Me'Shell needs more promotion. But whether she's at Maverick or anywhere else, the game is the same. But what is this about? Are we trying to position her in business, or protecting and nurturing her creative freedom? As I'm sure Prince will attest to you can't have both! :) >> As to whether Prince needs that much promotion, YES--when it comes to promoting his latest recording. Not much when it comes to touring, and that's because, as you say, he's a staple. Word gets out quickly without a lot of hype when he's touring. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:35:06 -0700 From: Mike Theiss Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM >I agree with the catch-22 situation, but we must remember we live in the >U.S. The distribution of music is based upon creating, promoting, >marketing, and selling preconceived notions. Albeit, a very sad >sitituation, but this is how it's done. . Couldn't have said it better myself. >Maverick had not been an >upstart, Me'Shell would probably still be trying to secure a record >contract. Yeah ... she almost signed to Paisley Park. Where would she be today if that had come to be... With an out of print cd in the bargain bins next to the efforts by Mavis Staples, George Clinton, TC Ellis and Carmen Electra? As far as Maverick goes though... their A&R department has probably gone for the worse ever since Alanis Morrisette blew up.... yech! Would hate to have to answer to whoever Me'shell does when she turns in her tracks. >> <The Artist. I believe she could still earn a living and maintain her >creative freedom which is *truly* what us fans want! :) >> Well. What *exactly* will happen with Larry Graham and Chaka remains to be seen. I saw them on VIBE, and as much as I appreciate him giving them the spotlite I remain skeptical. He was talking about artists owning their masters... Anybody know who owns Chaka and Larry's masters for their forthcoming releases? Just curious..... I'll be interested to see how the other artists on his label do though. Cause Prince sold *plenty* of records on Paisley Park, but none of the other artists on that label did. I don't think even The Time's "Pandemonium" did very well did it? >>And Prince doesn't >> have the type of promotion that he used to since escaping the stiff suits >at Warner Brothers. You mean the type of promotion they gave the Chaka Khan project that Me'shell and David Gamson worked on? ;-) That one will always puzzle me. You can put a BEST OF out with like 5 tracks from an upcoming album, but the album itself isn't good enough for release? Yes this is capitolism alright... - ---Mike Theiss (some of you AOLers may know me as "Vampadelic" from the boards over there when they were active...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:25:20 From: Apryl N Paris Subject: Group Chat? Do many of us have ICQ? (I sort of have it.. but it's getting better!) Just wondering: would you be interested in us setting up a PUBLIC GROUP CHAT. It would at the very least allow for others to get in on our interest in Bashir. Well?? If I were to do it, I would probably call it Me'Shell NdegeOcello, or MNO, or something.. but as my ICQ is iffy.. I would rather some one else mastered it. Talk to me Pax, Apryl apryl@mail-me.com ICQ: 7776760 AIM: AprylNP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:47:48 From: Apryl N Paris Subject: MNO Discography Ok.. I'm busy searching for a COMPLETE listing of her discography.. I want to update my web page. Found some good CD pages on the net. I have ordered from Amazon.com and CDNow, but so far, only my Amazon.com stuff has shown up.. I'm gettin UPset with CD Now (but my mail is pretty bad right now, too) Anyway, here is where I have looked www.Amazon.com/music www.worldwidemusic.com www.cdnow.com www.musicblvd.com www.southlandcd.com -- I was told its a very complete sight, but not much is there for MNO. As for the discography, what I've found is Plantation Lullabies Peace Beyond Passion (I Like it that her album titles start with a P.. get it? M..N..O..P.. I'm silly late at night) Red Hot + Cool - with Herbie Hancock on Nocturnal Sunshine Batman and Robin soundtrack - Poison Ivy Panther soundtrack - Higher Learning soundtrack - Money Talks soundtrack - White Man's Burden soundtrack - KCRW; Rare on Air;Volume 3 - With John Mellancamp - Wild Nights (probably her most popular stuff) With Madonna - is it 'I'd Rather Be Your Lover' on Erotica? I can't remember With Chaka Kahn on her Epiphany album - Never Miss Your Water (one of my favorites) is there any more? She's born in '69, right? Ok..need to update that blasted web page of mine.. and I am looking for a GOOD site that allows me to put in the artists name and get ALL of his/her stuff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pax, Apryl apryl@mail-me.com Always a GIRLFRIEND! AIM: AprylNP -- ICQ - 7776760 (APO) GIRLFRIENDS: http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3939 APRYL: http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3929 GIRLFRIEND: http://www.girlfriend.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:27:11 EDT From: Snow2iger@aol.com Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM >And Prince doesn't > have the type of promotion that he used to since escaping the stiff suits >at Warner Brothers. You mean the type of promotion they gave the Chaka Khan project that Me'shell and David Gamson worked on? ;-) That one will always puzzle me. >>Vampadelic I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Fill me in, Vamp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:20:22 -0700 From: "Sundown Lady" Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM - ---------- > From: Apryl N Paris > To: god-shiva@smoe.org > Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 2:25 PM > > At 02:16 PM 8/25/98 -0700, you wrote: > > >IMHO, I'd like her see go in the direction of Larry Graham, Chaka, and The > >Artist. I believe she could still earn a living and maintain her creative > >freedom which is *truly* what us fans want! :) > > What an intereting choice of artists.. was that random? > Actually, Larry Graham and Chaka have entered in a consortium (if you will) with Prince to produce and distribute their own music thereby giving the artist complete ownership and control over the product. So, there's no coincidence here...:) > They will be here together inSeptembe... Yes.. I just pre-ordered my tickets! > Alright! I'll be looking forward to yourl review... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SunDown Lady's Ilse of Tranquility A Birthday Celebration in the Cruise Lounge In honor of the Funk Diva Me'Shell http//www.sundownlady.com/flink12.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:00:25 -0700 From: "Sundown Lady" Subject: Re: Group Chat? - ---------- > From: Apryl N Paris > To: god-shiva@smoe.org > Subject: Group Chat? > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 4:25 PM > > Do many of us have ICQ? > My icq number is 199259 > (I sort of have it.. but it's getting better!) > > Just wondering: would you be interested in us setting up a PUBLIC GROUP > CHAT. It would at the very least allow for others to get in on our interest > in Bashir. > > Well?? I think it's a terrific idea, and I would participate when time permits. Michelle aka sundownlady NP: The Teaching =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SunDown Lady's Ilse of Tranquility A Birthday Celebration in the Cruise Lounge In honor of the Funk Diva Me'Shell http//www.sundownlady.com/flink12.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:08:35 -0700 From: "Sundown Lady" Subject: Re: MNO Discography > > With John Mellancamp - Wild Nights (probably her most popular stuff) > With Madonna - is it 'I'd Rather Be Your Lover' on Erotica? I can't remember > With Chaka Kahn on her Epiphany album - Never Miss Your Water (one of my > favorites) > On Epiphany she also plays the bass and does background vocals on "Everywhere" and plays bass on "Every Little Thing" > is there any more? > > She's born in '69, right? > August 29, 1969 Also, she appears on Marcus Miller's album "Tales". The tune entitled "Rush Over" is also on the "Love Jones" soundtrack. hth, Michelle aka sundownlady =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SunDown Lady's Ilse of Tranquility A Birthday Celebration in the Cruise Lounge In honor of the Funk Diva Me'Shell http//www.sundownlady.com/flink12.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:25:25 -0700 From: "Sundown Lady" Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM - ---------- > From: Snow2iger@aol.com > To: god-shiva@smoe.org > Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 7:19 PM > > As to whether Prince needs that much promotion, YES--when it comes to > promoting his latest recording. Not much when it comes to touring, and that's > because, as you say, he's a staple. Word gets out quickly without a lot of > hype when he's touring. I think word gets out about his albums as well. We're talking about someone who has an International appeal. Not to mention that he has literally millions of die-hard fans who will buy any and every thing he puts out there. Sure, he may not make the mega bucks he made while under the thumb of WB, but he certainly won't starve or go without... :) Michelle aka sundownlady =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SunDown Lady's Ilse of Tranquility A Birthday Celebration in the Cruise Lounge In honor of the Funk Diva Me'Shell http//www.sundownlady.com/flink12.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:55:54 -0700 From: "Sundown Lady" Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM - --------- > From: Mike Theiss > To: god-shiva@smoe.org > Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 8:35 PM > > >Maverick had not been an > >upstart, Me'Shell would probably still be trying to secure a record > >contract. > > Yeah ... she almost signed to Paisley Park. Where would she be today if > that had come to be... With an out of print cd in the bargain bins next > to the efforts by Mavis Staples, George Clinton, TC Ellis and Carmen > Electra? > Sad, but all too true. Yet, Prince was still courting her even after she signed with Maverick. In fact, when I saw her in '93 she was at his Grand Slam here in L.A. > As far as Maverick goes though... their A&R department has probably gone > for the worse ever since Alanis Morrisette blew up.... yech! Would > hate to have to answer to whoever Me'shell does when she turns in her > tracks. Well, you can bet Alanis' next album will be a repeat of "Jagged Little Pill". (side note: I think Alanis has good potential providing she doesn't fall prey to the hype.) I may be wrong, but I believe Maverick is in the same position as Paisley Park. It's their (Madonna and Prince respectively) company, but WB wields the proverbial big stick. > > > > >> < >The Artist. I believe she could still earn a living and maintain her > >creative freedom which is *truly* what us fans want! :) >> > > Well. What *exactly* will happen with Larry Graham and Chaka remains to > be seen. I saw them on VIBE, and as much as I appreciate him giving them > the spotlite I remain skeptical. He was talking about artists owning > their masters... Anybody know who owns Chaka and Larry's masters for > their forthcoming releases? Just curious..... I'll be interested to > see how the other artists on his label do though. Cause Prince sold > *plenty* of records on Paisley Park, but none of the other artists on that > label did. I don't think even The Time's "Pandemonium" did very well did > it? > Well, according to what I've heard, the artists (Chaka and Larry) will own the masters, but costs and revenues are "shared" by the Network. They didn't give details, so I definitely share your skepticism ! Unfortunately, whatever Prince did on Paisley Park WB was deep in his pockets and wielded a lot of control. If you have a copy of "Chaos and Disorder" check out "I Rock, Therefore I Am"... I believe, the lyrics tell what was going down at Paisley Park...:). > > >>And Prince doesn't > >> have the type of promotion that he used to since escaping the stiff suits > >at Warner Brothers. > > You mean the type of promotion they gave the Chaka Khan project that > Me'shell and David Gamson worked on? ;-) That one will always > puzzle me. You can put a BEST OF out with like 5 tracks from an upcoming > album, but the album itself isn't good enough for release? Yes this is > capitolism alright... > Oh PLEASE!!!!!!! Now that was enough to make an old woman cry!!! I just pray Me'Shell is able to find her way through this sh*t and continue to bless us with her talent and spirit. Michelle aka sundownlady =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SunDown Lady's Ilse of Tranquility A Birthday Celebration in the Cruise Lounge In honor of the Funk Diva Me'Shell http//www.sundownlady.com/flink12.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:19:11 EDT From: Snow2iger@aol.com Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM > As to whether Prince needs that much promotion, YES--when it comes to > promoting his latest recording. Not much when it comes to touring, and that's > because, as you say, he's a staple. Word gets out quickly without a lot of > hype when he's touring. << I think word gets out about his albums as well. We're talking about someone who has an International appeal.>> Trust me, I familiar with the short one. But mainstream fans don't always know when a new Prince record is released anymore since Emancipation (when EMI folded). It's mainly the hard-core fans that know when a new release is out by His Royal Badness now days. ------------------------------ End of god-shiva-digest V1 #7 *****************************