From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V19 #254 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, January 30 2014 Volume 19 : Number 254 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: I really miss this list [Miles Goosens ] Re: I really miss this list [Jeff Norman ] Re: I really miss this list [EDoxtator ] Re: I really miss this list [lep ] Re: I really miss this list [Rex Broome ] I really miss this list [Jill Brand ] Re: I really miss this list ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: I really miss this list [Eric Loehr ] Re: I really miss this list [Vivien Lyon ] Re: I really miss this list [Aaron Lowe ] Re: I really miss this list [Rex Broome ] Re: I really miss this list [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:41:15 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: I really miss this list What Jeff said, on all counts. I usually take lack of Rex-communication as a sign of bad times, so it's nice to know that things may have improved. Facebook has done me much more good than bad, reconnecting and reinvigorating many friendships, and unexpectedly deepening several long-time connections. Just adding a data point here. later, Miles On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:38 PM, 2fs wrote: > I like very much the past tense on that "going poorly" clause, Rex. Glad to > hear things are (presumably) going at least somewhat better. > > As for the axe-grinding bastards: life's too short not to block them even > if you only check back in to Facebook once a month or so. > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Rex Broome wrote: > >> Facebook is fine (sort of) when your life is relatively in order and you >> can afford to be charming and clever in small pithy doses. >> >> When your life's going poorly, as mine had been for some time, it's just a >> nightmare. >> >> It might sound like paranoia to say this, but even when you disengage >> almost completely from the damned thing, you find that, on a monthly basis, >> people with axes to grind are taking small innocent snippets about you >> posted by generally well-meaning others and using them as ammunition to >> further complicate your already beleaguered life. I've grown so, so very >> sick of this happening. >> >> I heartily apologize to all of you who are over there for having become >> such a nonentity. I guess that even the lure of my treasured fegly >> friendships, mitigated as they are by the nature of the venue, tends not to >> be enough to entice me to dip so much as a toe back into those fetid and >> befouled waters... I'm sorry for that. >> >> I was never especially esteemed for my pith anyway, I guess! >> >> Love on ya, >> Rex >> On Jan 28, 2014 12:22 PM, "Aaron Lowe" wrote: >> >> > On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:08:14am Vivien Lyon wrote: >> > > I miss the list, too. It's not an exaggeration to say that it changed >> > my >> > > life in profound ways. >> > >> > I agree wholeheartedly. I guess Ib m just an old guy set in my ways, >> > but keeping up with email is hardwired into my brane at this >> > point, but I donb t log into Facebook more than a couple of times a >> > week, other than checking for messages/comments on my >> > businessb Facebook page (a necessary evil). >> > >> > Hell, the listserv is still here, and obviously still functioning, so >> > letb s use it. Ib m in. >> > > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > Of the Milwaukee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:07:41 -0600 From: Jeff Norman Subject: Re: I really miss this list They have their own advantages...but it's certainly nice to see this little revival, with the folks who aren't on Facebook. Facebook is simultaneously maddening and addictive - its problems are pretty well-known and -described, but I have met a number of fine people there, and have renewed some old, faded friendships as well. Hurled from a great height > On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Eric Loehr wrote: > > I do follow the Facebook group, but also much prefer the fegmaniax listserv > - - seems like I know y'all better than the Facebook group (although many > of us are on both...) > > I really miss the more substantial conversations that used to happen on the > list (even if I rarely contributed to them). > > Eric > > > >> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Vivien Lyon wrote: >> >> I miss the list, too. It's not an exaggeration to say that it changed my >> life in profound ways. I do like FB (god help me), but I hate the loss of >> the list. >> >> >>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:45 AM, EDoxtator wrote: >>> >>> I agree with everything Jill says. >>> >>> Except the working 14+ hour days. >>> >>> For 16 >>> days. >>> >>> I disagree with that part. >>> >>> Facebook (the Walmart of the digital corner >>> shop) killed a pretty nice thing. >>> >>> No Facebook for me though. >>> >>> -Doc >>> >>> >>> >>> On >>> Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:40 AM, Jill Brand >>> wrote: >>> I know that the increasing popularity of Facebook made the list, well, >>> irrelevant, but I miss it terribly, even if most of the discussion didn't >>> revolve around His Eminence. I liked the people, I liked the banter >>> (except >>> when it got really snarky), I liked discovering music that I would >>> otherwise >>> not have had access to through the people on the list. I liked asking >>> questions and getting very knowledgeable answers. >>> >>> I like not having a >>> Facebook account. I miss you guys. >>> >>> Though it's coming to an end, I've worked >>> 16 days in a row, many of them 14+ >>> hours, so I'm a little weepy and >>> sentimental. Soon I will be having my >>> 'brane' out. >>> >>> Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 05:45:47 -0800 (PST) From: EDoxtator Subject: Re: I really miss this list I agree with everything Jill says. Except the working 14+ hour days. For 16 days. I disagree with that part. Facebook (the Walmart of the digital corner shop) killed a pretty nice thing. No Facebook for me though. - -Doc On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:40 AM, Jill Brand wrote: I know that the increasing popularity of Facebook made the list, well, irrelevant, but I miss it terribly, even if most of the discussion didn't revolve around His Eminence. I liked the people, I liked the banter (except when it got really snarky), I liked discovering music that I would otherwise not have had access to through the people on the list. I liked asking questions and getting very knowledgeable answers. I like not having a Facebook account. I miss you guys. Though it's coming to an end, I've worked 16 days in a row, many of them 14+ hours, so I'm a little weepy and sentimental. Soon I will be having my 'brane' out. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:01:38 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: I really miss this list I miss the list as well -- as Eric mentioned, it's the more substantial conversations that go missing on Facebook. They're so very far away. And no one gets REAPed anyone. xo On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Eric Loehr wrote: > I do follow the Facebook group, but also much prefer the fegmaniax listserv > - - seems like I know y'all better than the Facebook group (although many > of us are on both...) > > I really miss the more substantial conversations that used to happen on the > list (even if I rarely contributed to them). > > Eric > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Vivien Lyon > wrote: > > > I miss the list, too. It's not an exaggeration to say that it changed my > > life in profound ways. I do like FB (god help me), but I hate the loss of > > the list. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:45 AM, EDoxtator wrote: > > > > > I agree with everything Jill says. > > > > > > Except the working 14+ hour days. > > > > > > For 16 > > > days. > > > > > > I disagree with that part. > > > > > > Facebook (the Walmart of the digital corner > > > shop) killed a pretty nice thing. > > > > > > No Facebook for me though. > > > > > > -Doc > > > > > > > > > > > > On > > > Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:40 AM, Jill Brand > > > wrote: > > > I know that the increasing popularity of Facebook made the list, well, > > > irrelevant, but I miss it terribly, even if most of the discussion > didn't > > > revolve around His Eminence. I liked the people, I liked the banter > > > (except > > > when it got really snarky), I liked discovering music that I would > > > otherwise > > > not have had access to through the people on the list. I liked asking > > > questions and getting very knowledgeable answers. > > > > > > I like not having a > > > Facebook account. I miss you guys. > > > > > > Though it's coming to an end, I've worked > > > 16 days in a row, many of them 14+ > > > hours, so I'm a little weepy and > > > sentimental. Soon I will be having my > > > 'brane' out. > > > > > > Jill > - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:12:47 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: I really miss this list I really didn't want to have to say this, but that past tense thing was a typo due to the d and s keys being close together and me not having the smallest thumbs ever... should have said "when life is going poorly as it has been..." as in an ongoing thing. I truly hate having to make that correction because it means a great deal to me that at least a few human beings would be glad if I had good news... so thank you for that, and very sorry to disappoint you. On Jan 29, 2014 11:42 AM, "Miles Goosens" wrote: > What Jeff said, on all counts. I usually take lack of > Rex-communication as a sign of bad times, so it's nice to know that > things may have improved. > > Facebook has done me much more good than bad, reconnecting and > reinvigorating many friendships, and unexpectedly deepening several > long-time connections. Just adding a data point here. > > later, > > Miles > > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:38 PM, 2fs wrote: > > I like very much the past tense on that "going poorly" clause, Rex. Glad > to > > hear things are (presumably) going at least somewhat better. > > > > As for the axe-grinding bastards: life's too short not to block them even > > if you only check back in to Facebook once a month or so. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Rex Broome wrote: > > > >> Facebook is fine (sort of) when your life is relatively in order and you > >> can afford to be charming and clever in small pithy doses. > >> > >> When your life's going poorly, as mine had been for some time, it's > just a > >> nightmare. > >> > >> It might sound like paranoia to say this, but even when you disengage > >> almost completely from the damned thing, you find that, on a monthly > basis, > >> people with axes to grind are taking small innocent snippets about you > >> posted by generally well-meaning others and using them as ammunition to > >> further complicate your already beleaguered life. I've grown so, so > very > >> sick of this happening. > >> > >> I heartily apologize to all of you who are over there for having become > >> such a nonentity. I guess that even the lure of my treasured fegly > >> friendships, mitigated as they are by the nature of the venue, tends > not to > >> be enough to entice me to dip so much as a toe back into those fetid and > >> befouled waters... I'm sorry for that. > >> > >> I was never especially esteemed for my pith anyway, I guess! > >> > >> Love on ya, > >> Rex > >> On Jan 28, 2014 12:22 PM, "Aaron Lowe" wrote: > >> > >> > On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:08:14am Vivien Lyon wrote: > >> > > I miss the list, too. It's not an exaggeration to say that it > changed > >> > my > >> > > life in profound ways. > >> > > >> > I agree wholeheartedly. I guess Ib m just an old guy set in my ways, > >> > but keeping up with email is hardwired into my brane at this > >> > point, but I donb t log into Facebook more than a couple of times a > >> > week, other than checking for messages/comments on my > >> > businessb Facebook page (a necessary evil). > >> > > >> > Hell, the listserv is still here, and obviously still functioning, so > >> > letb s use it. Ib m in. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ...Jeff Norman > > Of the Milwaukee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 08:37:47 -0500 From: Jill Brand Subject: I really miss this list I know that the increasing popularity of Facebook made the list, well, irrelevant, but I miss it terribly, even if most of the discussion didn't revolve around His Eminence. I liked the people, I liked the banter (except when it got really snarky), I liked discovering music that I would otherwise not have had access to through the people on the list. I liked asking questions and getting very knowledgeable answers. I like not having a Facebook account. I miss you guys. Though it's coming to an end, I've worked 16 days in a row, many of them 14+ hours, so I'm a little weepy and sentimental. Soon I will be having my 'brane' out. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:37:08 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: I really miss this list On 14-01-28 08:37 AM, Jill Brand wrote: > > I liked asking questions and getting very knowledgeable answers. Sadly, Ask Metafilter and Stack Exchange have become my people for that, despite all their problems and terrible taste in music. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:43:40 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: I really miss this list I do follow the Facebook group, but also much prefer the fegmaniax listserv - - - seems like I know y'all better than the Facebook group (although many of us are on both...) I really miss the more substantial conversations that used to happen on the list (even if I rarely contributed to them). Eric On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Vivien Lyon wrote: > I miss the list, too. It's not an exaggeration to say that it changed my > life in profound ways. I do like FB (god help me), but I hate the loss of > the list. > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:45 AM, EDoxtator wrote: > > > I agree with everything Jill says. > > > > Except the working 14+ hour days. > > > > For 16 > > days. > > > > I disagree with that part. > > > > Facebook (the Walmart of the digital corner > > shop) killed a pretty nice thing. > > > > No Facebook for me though. > > > > -Doc > > > > > > > > On > > Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:40 AM, Jill Brand > > wrote: > > I know that the increasing popularity of Facebook made the list, well, > > irrelevant, but I miss it terribly, even if most of the discussion didn't > > revolve around His Eminence. I liked the people, I liked the banter > > (except > > when it got really snarky), I liked discovering music that I would > > otherwise > > not have had access to through the people on the list. I liked asking > > questions and getting very knowledgeable answers. > > > > I like not having a > > Facebook account. I miss you guys. > > > > Though it's coming to an end, I've worked > > 16 days in a row, many of them 14+ > > hours, so I'm a little weepy and > > sentimental. Soon I will be having my > > 'brane' out. > > > > Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:08:14 -0800 From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Re: I really miss this list I miss the list, too. It's not an exaggeration to say that it changed my life in profound ways. I do like FB (god help me), but I hate the loss of the list. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:45 AM, EDoxtator wrote: > I agree with everything Jill says. > > Except the working 14+ hour days. > > For 16 > days. > > I disagree with that part. > > Facebook (the Walmart of the digital corner > shop) killed a pretty nice thing. > > No Facebook for me though. > > -Doc > > > > On > Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:40 AM, Jill Brand > wrote: > I know that the increasing popularity of Facebook made the list, well, > irrelevant, but I miss it terribly, even if most of the discussion didn't > revolve around His Eminence. I liked the people, I liked the banter > (except > when it got really snarky), I liked discovering music that I would > otherwise > not have had access to through the people on the list. I liked asking > questions and getting very knowledgeable answers. > > I like not having a > Facebook account. I miss you guys. > > Though it's coming to an end, I've worked > 16 days in a row, many of them 14+ > hours, so I'm a little weepy and > sentimental. Soon I will be having my > 'brane' out. > > Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:18:44 -0600 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Re: I really miss this list On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:08:14am Vivien Lyon wrote: > I miss the list, too. It's not an exaggeration to say that it changed my > life in profound ways. I agree wholeheartedly. I guess Ibm just an old guy set in my ways, but keeping up with email is hardwired into my brane at this point, but I donbt log into Facebook more than a couple of times a week, other than checking for messages/comments on my businessb Facebook page (a necessary evil). Hell, the listserv is still here, and obviously still functioning, so letbs use it. Ibm in. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:14:44 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: I really miss this list Facebook is fine (sort of) when your life is relatively in order and you can afford to be charming and clever in small pithy doses. When your life's going poorly, as mine had been for some time, it's just a nightmare. It might sound like paranoia to say this, but even when you disengage almost completely from the damned thing, you find that, on a monthly basis, people with axes to grind are taking small innocent snippets about you posted by generally well-meaning others and using them as ammunition to further complicate your already beleaguered life. I've grown so, so very sick of this happening. I heartily apologize to all of you who are over there for having become such a nonentity. I guess that even the lure of my treasured fegly friendships, mitigated as they are by the nature of the venue, tends not to be enough to entice me to dip so much as a toe back into those fetid and befouled waters... I'm sorry for that. I was never especially esteemed for my pith anyway, I guess! Love on ya, Rex On Jan 28, 2014 12:22 PM, "Aaron Lowe" wrote: > On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:08:14am Vivien Lyon wrote: > > I miss the list, too. It's not an exaggeration to say that it changed > my > > life in profound ways. > > I agree wholeheartedly. I guess Ib m just an old guy set in my ways, > but keeping up with email is hardwired into my brane at this > point, but I donb t log into Facebook more than a couple of times a > week, other than checking for messages/comments on my > businessb Facebook page (a necessary evil). > > Hell, the listserv is still here, and obviously still functioning, so > letb s use it. Ib m in. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 10:33:33 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: I really miss this list > > I heartily apologize to all of you who are over there for having become > > such a nonentity. I guess that even the lure of my treasured fegly > > friendships, mitigated as they are by the nature of the venue, tends not to > > be enough to entice me to dip so much as a toe back into those fetid and > > befouled waters... I'm sorry for that. No apologies necessary, Rex. I know what it's like to be on FB and in less than peak form, and can easily understand how you feel. I hope your life is sorting itself out after what has been a horrible time for you. James ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V19 #254 ********************************