From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V18 #229 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, January 1 2011 Volume 18 : Number 229 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Adz [Jill Brand ] Re: calling the tech brigade (Mac division) [Tom Clark ] RE: calling the tech brigade (Mac division) ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: calling the tech brigade (Mac division) ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Mo' itunes q's ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Mo' itunes q's [Rex Broome ] Re: sorry [2fs ] Re: sorry [Jeremy Osner ] Re: sorry [Jeremy Osner ] Re: sorry [2fs ] Re: Mo' itunes q's [2fs ] Re: Mo' itunes q's [2fs ] Re: Adz [Steve Schiavo ] for Stewart [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:10:53 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Adz Stewart wrote: "Took me a long time to get into it, but it's kind of the melding of the (admittedly few) good aspects of "Enjoy Your Rabbit" with the symphonic stuff he tried with BQE. I rather like it." Yes, I like it, too, except the last song (I'm not up on the titles yet) becomes somewhat grating. Maybe I won't feel this way after more listening. My son loves this album; he said it's the record that of Montreal was supposed to make next (as opposed to False Priest, which he wishes they hadn't made at all - it's not my fave, but I don't hate it). Hey, has anyone seen Sita Sings the Blues? Especially you animation fans? It's insanely imaginative. For more on this check out http://www.sitasingstheblues.com/ Really. Happy New Year, everyone! Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:12:38 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: calling the tech brigade (Mac division) On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:42 PM, 2fs wrote: > Okay, so if I'm not mistaken, Mac's "AudioUnits" for sound modification apps > aren't specific to an app; they're adaptable, right? So: how do I get those > that are plugged-in to one app so they're available in another one? > > Specifically: both Audacity and Audio Hijack have loads of such effects > thingies. I have a trial version (for 30 days, fully featured) of Twisted > Wave...but fewer of those plug-ins are accessible to it. > > Can I copy some files around to let TW "see" them, or what? But where from & > where to? > > I'm not that clear on Mac architecture, so detailed instructions are useful. Audio Units are system-wide plugins that applications can take advantage of to provide enhanced audio manipulation. Any application that uses Audio Units will be able to use [almost ] any installed AU. I don't think Audacity supports AUs; it uses other audio plugin types (mostly open source stuff). Audio Hijack Pro apparently does, but only in the paid version. I don't know much about Twisted Wave, but it states full AU support. If you're not seeing certain effects listed in TW it probably means the effect you're looking for is not implemented as an AU but rather as one of the open source effects that Audacity uses. HTH, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:24:56 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: calling the tech brigade (Mac division) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tom Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:13 PM To: Coughing Vikings Subject: Re: calling the tech brigade (Mac division) On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:42 PM, 2fs wrote: > Okay, so if I'm not mistaken, Mac's "AudioUnits" for sound > modification apps aren't specific to an app; they're adaptable, right? > So: how do I get those that are plugged-in to one app so they're available in another one? > > Specifically: both Audacity and Audio Hijack have loads of such > effects thingies. I have a trial version (for 30 days, fully featured) > of Twisted Wave...but fewer of those plug-ins are accessible to it. > > Can I copy some files around to let TW "see" them, or what? But where > from & where to? > > I'm not that clear on Mac architecture, so detailed instructions are useful. Audio Units are system-wide plugins that applications can take advantage of to provide enhanced audio manipulation. Any application that uses Audio Units will be able to use [almost ] any installed AU. I don't think Audacity supports AUs; it uses other audio plugin types (mostly open source stuff). Audio Hijack Pro apparently does, but only in the paid version. I don't know much about Twisted Wave, but it states full AU support. If you're not seeing certain effects listed in TW it probably means the effect you're looking for is not implemented as an AU but rather as one of the open source effects that Audacity uses. HTH, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:26:56 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: sorry I sent an empty reply to the list. Sorry. I owe you a beer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:03:59 -0600 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: calling the tech brigade (Mac division) On 10-12-29 23:12 , Tom Clark wrote: > > I don't think Audacity supports AUs It does. I have 18 "Apple: AU__________" effects listed in the menu, and they bring up the familiar UIs when called. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:05:53 -0600 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Adz On 10-12-29 23:10 , Jill Brand wrote: > > Hey, has anyone seen Sita Sings the Blues? Yes, saw it when it came out. Trippy effects, but a very weak plot. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:33:45 -0600 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Mo' itunes q's On 10-12-28 18:58 , 2fs wrote: > Incidentally, my future iTunes wishlist includes the ability to tell iTunes > to ignore case in discerning duplicate tracks: Sorry, but in fact there is > no difference between "Globe of Frogs" and "Globe Of Frogs" To you there isn't, but to computer text string comparison functions, there's a very great difference. My highly scientific research (namely, browsing other people's iTunes shares on hotel networks) shows that 99% of users wouldn't care about this, since 95%+ of users seem to be content tagging tracks with "THAT KE$HA TUNE" anyway. To really get tag collation done correctly, you'd need to maintain a shadow normalized form database, where every text field would be reduced to the appropriate locale-specific lower case value, with all punctuation stripped and excess spaces removed. This is much harder than it looks, and the stock locale routines that most OSs provide aren't up to the job. I must be mellowing, but I'm now perfectly happy to have artists sorted by first name. Life's too short to worry about where Manfred Mann lives. For now, you can either: * buy Dupin, which can ignore case in finding duplicates * obsessively retag using MusicBrainz, which has strict, consistent (but very US-centric) capitalisation routines - and wherever it doesn't, you can go in and edit the database to fix it. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:54:01 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Mo' itunes q's > To you there isn't, but to computer text string comparison functions, > there's a very great difference. My highly scientific research (namely, > browsing other people's iTunes shares on hotel networks) shows that 99% > of users wouldn't care about this, since 95%+ of users seem to be > content tagging tracks with "THAT KE$HA TUNE" anyway. > Having just absorbed the library of someone else who's pretty strict about tagging stuff, I'm pretty amazed at how much fully wack tagging still exists in the world. I found a thing called "Anarchy in the USA" by "Clash" which was a cover of the Sex Pistols tune sung in Spanish by a slightly Strummer-sounding dude and I was like, no way in hell is that real (I was right, although it took me a while to figure out who it was), and, among other habitually misattributed tracks, tunes by "Kinks" including "My Sharona" and "Thats what i like about you". Overall I'd understand this a lot more if we were still living in the Napster age, but as it is, it puzzles me. Someone at some point deliberately tagged these songs, presumably someone in possession of the original material, so how the hell do they not know who the artist is? On the other hand, I didn't realize you could do that on hotel networks. Good to know, and cheaper than the naughty movie channel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:53:09 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: sorry On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Brian Huddell wrote: > I sent an empty reply to the list. Sorry. I owe you a beer. > This would have been immeasurably improved had you typo'd the last word and written "I owe you a bear." - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:57:28 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: sorry Was it you who posted about the movie theater in Milwaukee offering free bear to patrons? Or am I getting a number of unrelated humorous internet memes from last week mixed up with each other? 2010/12/30 2fs : > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Brian Huddell wrote: > >> I sent an empty reply to the list. Sorry. I owe you a beer. >> > > This would have been immeasurably improved had you typo'd the last word and > written "I owe you a bear." > > > > -- > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:58:22 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: sorry Aha! The latter. Here is what I had in mind: http://redfox.typepad.com/forest/2010/12/when-a-bear-attacks-defensively-it-behaves-like-a-nipping-dog-the-bites-are-quick-deep-and-incessant.html 2010/12/30 Jeremy Osner : > Was it you who posted about the movie theater in Milwaukee offering > free bear to patrons? Or am I getting a number of unrelated humorous > internet memes from last week mixed up with each other? > > 2010/12/30 2fs : >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Brian Huddell wrote: >> >>> I sent an empty reply to the list. Sorry. I owe you a beer. >>> >> >> This would have been immeasurably improved had you typo'd the last word and >> written "I owe you a bear." >> >> >> >> -- >> ...Jeff Norman >> >> The Architectural Dance Society >> http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:12:53 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: sorry On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Aha! The latter. Here is what I had in mind: > > http://redfox.typepad.com/forest/2010/12/when-a-bear-attacks-defensively-it-behaves-like-a-nipping-dog-the-bites-are-quick-deep-and-incessant.html > > I like the photo of the hoverbear. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:16:41 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Mo' itunes q's On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Rex Broome wrote (in a rather convincing Stewart Russell impersonation): > > To you there isn't, but to computer text string comparison functions, > > there's a very great difference. My highly scientific research (namely, > > browsing other people's iTunes shares on hotel networks) shows that 99% > > of users wouldn't care about this, since 95%+ of users seem to be > > content tagging tracks with "THAT KE$HA TUNE" anyway. > > You mean it's not just a question of getting Steve Jobs to whip the enslaved elves that live in every Mac even harder? > > On the other hand, I didn't realize you could do that on hotel networks. > Good to know, and cheaper than the naughty movie channel. > I wouldn't know how much the naughty movie channel at hotels costs. I just bring a portable drill and spy on the neighbors. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:20:11 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Mo' itunes q's On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 10-12-28 18:58 , 2fs wrote: > > Incidentally, my future iTunes wishlist includes the ability to tell > iTunes > > to ignore case in discerning duplicate tracks: Sorry, but in fact there > is > > no difference between "Globe of Frogs" and "Globe Of Frogs" > > To you there isn't, but to computer text string comparison functions, > there's a very great difference. > But apparently, there's also a difference detected if the name and artist fields are identical but the *album* field is different. (Test case: the two different versions of "Ya Ya" by John Lennon: the short off-the-cuff bit on "Walls and Bridges" and the full version on "Rock'n'Roll") So at least, they could incorporate the "time" field to help separate different versions of the same song...(that was the other part of my wishlist suggestion...since in fact, when iTunes flags two versions of a song as duplicates, the first thing I'll do is look at the time to see whether it's likely the same track). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:38:24 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Adz On Dec 29, 2010, at 11:10 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > Hey, has anyone seen Sita Sings the Blues? Especially you animation > fans? It's insanely imaginative. For more on this check out > > http://www.sitasingstheblues.com/ Here's a great short animation. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:19:22 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: for Stewart < http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-music-tapes-cover-let-it-snowzat-you-santa-cla,49392/ > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V18 #229 ********************************