From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V18 #223 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 22 2010 Volume 18 : Number 223 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Robyn Hitchcock in Hollywood [Harold Lepidus ] stream-a-go-go [ART ROCK POSTER ] Re: stream-a-go-go [m swedene ] Re: stream-a-go-go ["craigie*" ] Robyn Hitchcock's online holiday present includes Bob Dylan cover (sort of) [Harold Lepidus ] Robyn + Jod Boyd World Cafe [Harold Lepidus ] Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions [Tom Clark ] Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions [Rex Broome ] Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions [2fs ] Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions [Rex Broome ] Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions [Harold Lepidus ] Robyn Christmas songs ["Chris Franz" ] Re: Robyn Christmas songs ["craigie*" ] Re: stream-a-go-go ["craigie*" ] Re: stream-a-go-go [2fs ] Re: stream-a-go-go [Jeremy Osner ] Re: stream-a-go-go [Jeremy Osner ] Re: stream-a-go-go [lep ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:04:36 -0500 (EST) From: Harold Lepidus Subject: Robyn Hitchcock in Hollywood Tour Dates Robyn Hitchcock in Hollywood Robyn plays three intimate shows at Largo at the Coronet in Los Angeles, March 29, 30 and 31st, 2011. Tickets are $15 each and are available HERE (please note tickets are limited to 50 per night). RH.com Harold Lepidus Bob Dylan Examiner Twitter Facebook ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:28:28 -0500 From: ART ROCK POSTER Subject: stream-a-go-go http://www.robynhitchcock.com/2010/12/21/sound-goodies/ Sound Goodies. Robyn has a set of 12 recently recorded, unreleased covers available for you to take a listen to. The new tracks are streaming ONLY (no downloads at this time) from the AudioBus at the bottom right of this site. Below is a track listing. Hope you enjoy! 1 Be Here Now 3:40 2 Blue Moon Of Kentucky 5:02 3 Candyman 7:16 4 Changes 3:42 5 Copper Kettle 4:44 6 I Still Miss Someone 3:48 7 Life On Mars 4:49 8 Pink Moon in C 3:40 9 Quicksand 5:50 10 Song For Bob Dylan 4:29 11 Very Cellular Song 12:38 12 Wang Dang Doodle 7:07 stream 'em at http://www.robynhitchcock.com/wp-content/interface/audioflashpopup/trolleybusplayer.html woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:33:27 -0500 From: m swedene Subject: Re: stream-a-go-go anyone capture these yet? Mike On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:28 PM, ART ROCK POSTER wrote: > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/2010/12/21/sound-goodies/ > > Sound Goodies. > > Robyn has a set of 12 recently recorded, unreleased covers > available for you to take a listen to. The new tracks are > streaming ONLY (no downloads at this time) from the AudioBus at > the bottom right of this site. Below is a track listing. Hope > you enjoy! > > > 1 Be Here Now 3:40 > 2 Blue Moon Of Kentucky 5:02 > 3 Candyman 7:16 > 4 Changes 3:42 > 5 Copper Kettle 4:44 > 6 I Still Miss Someone 3:48 > 7 Life On Mars 4:49 > 8 Pink Moon in C 3:40 > 9 Quicksand 5:50 > 10 Song For Bob Dylan 4:29 > 11 Very Cellular Song 12:38 > 12 Wang Dang Doodle 7:07 > > > stream 'em at > > > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/wp-content/interface/audioflashpopup/trolleybusplayer.html > > woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:42:26 +0000 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: stream-a-go-go It was me. I did it. will post onto M-Upload when tracksplit. Give me an hour... c* On 21 December 2010 23:33, m swedene wrote: > anyone capture these yet? > > Mike > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:28 PM, ART ROCK POSTER wrote: > > > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/2010/12/21/sound-goodies/ > > > > Sound Goodies. > > > > Robyn has a set of 12 recently recorded, unreleased covers > > available for you to take a listen to. The new tracks are > > streaming ONLY (no downloads at this time) from the AudioBus at > > the bottom right of this site. Below is a track listing. Hope > > you enjoy! > > > > > > 1 Be Here Now 3:40 > > 2 Blue Moon Of Kentucky 5:02 > > 3 Candyman 7:16 > > 4 Changes 3:42 > > 5 Copper Kettle 4:44 > > 6 I Still Miss Someone 3:48 > > 7 Life On Mars 4:49 > > 8 Pink Moon in C 3:40 > > 9 Quicksand 5:50 > > 10 Song For Bob Dylan 4:29 > > 11 Very Cellular Song 12:38 > > 12 Wang Dang Doodle 7:07 > > > > > > stream 'em at > > > > > > > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/wp-content/interface/audioflashpopup/trolleybusplayer.html > > > > woj > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:22:30 -0500 (EST) From: Harold Lepidus Subject: Robyn Hitchcock's online holiday present includes Bob Dylan cover (sort of) Robyn Hitchcock's online holiday present includes Bob Dylan cover (sort of) http://www.examiner.com/bob-dylan-in-national/robyn-hitchcock-s-online-holida y-present-includes-bob-dylan-cover-sort-of Harold Lepidus Bob Dylan Examiner Twitter Facebook ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:51:31 -0500 From: FS Thomas Subject: RIP Detective Dietrich Actor, Steve Landesberg, 65. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_movies_blog/2010/12/steve-landesberg-1945-2010.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:23:43 -0500 (EST) From: Harold Lepidus Subject: Robyn + Jod Boyd World Cafe Legendary producer Joe Boyd was instrumental in forming the careers of musicians like Nick Drake,Pink Floyd and The Fairport Convention. He reads from his latest book while Robyn Hitchcock plays some of these celebrated songs that he grew up listening to. This one-of-a-kind show is not to be missed for folk fans and liner note junkies! Find out more information here! ............................................................................. ............................................................................. ............................. New This Week EVENT DATE ON SALE DATE / TIME Robyn Hitchcock and Joe Boyd: "Chinese White Bicycles" Mon. March 14 On Sale Wed 12/22 - 10am http://tickets.worldcafelive.com/eventperformances.asp?evt=3900&utm_source=Li veAccess&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly Robyn Hitchcock and Joe Boyd:"Chinese White Bicycles" World Cafe Live Philadelphia, PA Harold Lepidus Bob Dylan Examiner Twitter Facebook ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:15:59 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions On Dec 21, 2010, at 2:44 PM, craigie* wrote: > Hey guys, > > how would a new Feg go about joining us here (and on FaceBook, for that > matter....) ? > > It's been so long since I joined I really can't remember how... and it's > probably all changed by now, anyway... > > She's a lovely girl and has even met Robyn. But knows nothing of our arcane > ways... http://fegmania.org/fegmaniax.html The Facebook thingy is < http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_101116646622217 > I suppose. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:42:08 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Dec 21, 2010, at 2:44 PM, craigie* wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > > how would a new Feg go about joining us here (and on FaceBook, for that > > matter....) ? > Gawd, a new one? Do we need to establish a "Previously on Fegmania" montage to bring people up to speed? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:00:21 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Rex Broome wrote: > > Do we need to establish a "Previously on Fegmania" montage to bring people > up to speed? > Weirdly, I think that's actually been done, more or less... It looked sorta like this: Robyn, squid, Buffy, politics, random godknowswhatness, squid, Buffy, random, Buffy, squid, Syd, id, Bid, badgers, squid, politics, Buffy, Robyn, meta. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:27:17 -0800 From: Rex Broome Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions > Weirdly, I think that's actually been done, more or less... > > It looked sorta like this: Robyn, squid, Buffy, politics, random > godknowswhatness, squid, Buffy, random, Buffy, squid, Syd, id, Bid, > badgers, > squid, politics, Buffy, Robyn, meta. T-shirts to be printed: "LESS ID, MORE SQUID" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:01:50 -0500 (EST) From: Harold Lepidus Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions Squid while you're ahead :-D Harold Lepidus Bob Dylan Examiner Twitter Facebook - -----Original Message----- From: Rex Broome To: 2fs Cc: Coughing Vikings Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 7:28 am Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions > Weirdly, I think that's actually been done, more or less... > > It looked sorta like this: Robyn, squid, Buffy, politics, random > godknowswhatness, squid, Buffy, random, Buffy, squid, Syd, id, Bid, > badgers, > squid, politics, Buffy, Robyn, meta. T-shirts to be printed: "LESS ID, MORE SQUID" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:18:25 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions Squiddle-dee-dee! Off with their Keds(tm)! 2010/12/22 Harold Lepidus : > Squid while you're ahead :-D > > > Harold Lepidus > Bob Dylan Examiner > > Twitter > Facebook > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rex Broome > To: 2fs > Cc: Coughing Vikings > Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 7:28 am > Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick and other questions > > >> Weirdly, I think that's actually been done, more or less... >> >> It looked sorta like this: Robyn, squid, Buffy, politics, random >> godknowswhatness, squid, Buffy, random, Buffy, squid, Syd, id, Bid, >> badgers, >> squid, politics, Buffy, Robyn, meta. > > > T-shirts to be printed: "LESS ID, MORE SQUID" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:38:01 -0800 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: Robyn Christmas songs So, what songs has Robyn played that would be appropriate for Christmas? I think Craig Wood included "Winter Love" in a Christmas compilation a while back. I have a recording of a song he did called "Snow Strike," but as far as I know it was only ever played on one radio appearance twenty years ago. Has he ever covered a true Christmas song? - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:00:42 +0000 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: Robyn Christmas songs oooh.... I'd love to hear Snow Strike.... and who is this Craig Wood? ;-) just call me craigie* On 22 December 2010 21:38, Chris Franz wrote: > So, what songs has Robyn played that would be appropriate for Christmas? I > think Craig Wood included "Winter Love" in a Christmas compilation a while > back. I have a recording of a song he did called "Snow Strike," but as far > as > I know it was only ever played on one radio appearance twenty years ago. > Has > he ever covered a true Christmas song? > > - Chris > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:20:17 +0000 From: "craigie*" Subject: Re: stream-a-go-go And now you can all get it here; http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H8AIXN9V The stream was mp3 sourced. I've done some remedial de-popping of Blue Moon of Kentucky, some intro/outro boosting, and the studio outtakes (which were mono) have been electronically reprocessed for stereo to enhance your listening pleasure. All the live tracks were lightly treated with pixie dust to widen the stereo. share and enjoy! c* On 21 December 2010 23:42, craigie* wrote: > It was me. > > I did it. > > will post onto M-Upload when tracksplit. Give me an hour... > > c* > > > On 21 December 2010 23:33, m swedene wrote: > > > anyone capture these yet? > > > > Mike > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:28 PM, ART ROCK POSTER wrote: > > > > > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/2010/12/21/sound-goodies/ > > > > > > Sound Goodies. > > > > > > Robyn has a set of 12 recently recorded, unreleased covers > > > available for you to take a listen to. The new tracks are > > > streaming ONLY (no downloads at this time) from the AudioBus at > > > the bottom right of this site. Below is a track listing. Hope > > > you enjoy! > > > > > > > > > 1 Be Here Now 3:40 > > > 2 Blue Moon Of Kentucky 5:02 > > > 3 Candyman 7:16 > > > 4 Changes 3:42 > > > 5 Copper Kettle 4:44 > > > 6 I Still Miss Someone 3:48 > > > 7 Life On Mars 4:49 > > > 8 Pink Moon in C 3:40 > > > 9 Quicksand 5:50 > > > 10 Song For Bob Dylan 4:29 > > > 11 Very Cellular Song 12:38 > > > 12 Wang Dang Doodle 7:07 > > > > > > > > > stream 'em at > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/wp-content/interface/audioflashpopup/trolleybusplayer.html > > > > > > woj > > > > > > -- > first things first, but not necessarily in that order... > > I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively > packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... > > Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We > gladly feast on those who would subdue us") > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:50:24 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: stream-a-go-go Thanks mucho! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:20 PM, craigie* wrote: > And now you can all get it here; > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H8AIXN9V > > The stream was mp3 sourced. > > I've done some remedial de-popping of Blue Moon of Kentucky, some > intro/outro boosting, and the studio outtakes (which were mono) have been > electronically reprocessed for stereo to enhance your listening pleasure. > > All the live tracks were lightly treated with pixie dust to widen the > stereo. > > share and enjoy! > > c* > > On 21 December 2010 23:42, craigie* wrote: > > > It was me. > > > > I did it. > > > > will post onto M-Upload when tracksplit. Give me an hour... > > > > c* > > > > > > On 21 December 2010 23:33, m swedene wrote: > > > > > anyone capture these yet? > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:28 PM, ART ROCK POSTER wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/2010/12/21/sound-goodies/ > > > > > > > > Sound Goodies. > > > > > > > > Robyn has a set of 12 recently recorded, unreleased covers > > > > available for you to take a listen to. The new tracks are > > > > streaming ONLY (no downloads at this time) from the AudioBus > at > > > > the bottom right of this site. Below is a track listing. > Hope > > > > you enjoy! > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Be Here Now 3:40 > > > > 2 Blue Moon Of Kentucky 5:02 > > > > 3 Candyman 7:16 > > > > 4 Changes 3:42 > > > > 5 Copper Kettle 4:44 > > > > 6 I Still Miss Someone 3:48 > > > > 7 Life On Mars 4:49 > > > > 8 Pink Moon in C 3:40 > > > > 9 Quicksand 5:50 > > > > 10 Song For Bob Dylan 4:29 > > > > 11 Very Cellular Song 12:38 > > > > 12 Wang Dang Doodle 7:07 > > > > > > > > > > > > stream 'em at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/wp-content/interface/audioflashpopup/trolleybusplayer.html > > > > > > > > woj > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > first things first, but not necessarily in that order... > > > > I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively > > packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... > > > > Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We > > gladly feast on those who would subdue us") > > > > > > -- > first things first, but not necessarily in that order... > > I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively > packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... > > Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We > gladly feast on those who would subdue us") > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:43:10 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: stream-a-go-go The file I am trying to access is temporarily unavailable, is what Mega-Upload tells me. 2010/12/22 craigie* : > And now you can all get it here; > > http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H8AIXN9V > > The stream was mp3 sourced. > > I've done some remedial de-popping of Blue Moon of Kentucky, some > intro/outro boosting, and the studio outtakes (which were mono) have been > electronically reprocessed for stereo to enhance your listening pleasure. > > All the live tracks were lightly treated with pixie dust to widen the > stereo. > > share and enjoy! > > c* > > On 21 December 2010 23:42, craigie* wrote: > >> It was me. >> >> I did it. >> >> will post onto M-Upload when tracksplit. Give me an hour... >> >> c* >> >> >> On 21 December 2010 23:33, m swedene wrote: >> >> > anyone capture these yet? >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:28 PM, ART ROCK POSTER wrote: >> > >> > > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/2010/12/21/sound-goodies/ >> > > >> > > Sound Goodies. >> > > >> > > Robyn has a set of 12 recently recorded, unreleased covers >> > > available for you to take a listen to. The new tracks are >> > > streaming ONLY (no downloads at this time) from the AudioBus at >> > > the bottom right of this site. Below is a track listing. Hope >> > > you enjoy! >> > > >> > > >> > > 1 Be Here Now 3:40 >> > > 2 Blue Moon Of Kentucky 5:02 >> > > 3 Candyman 7:16 >> > > 4 Changes 3:42 >> > > 5 Copper Kettle 4:44 >> > > 6 I Still Miss Someone 3:48 >> > > 7 Life On Mars 4:49 >> > > 8 Pink Moon in C 3:40 >> > > 9 Quicksand 5:50 >> > > 10 Song For Bob Dylan 4:29 >> > > 11 Very Cellular Song 12:38 >> > > 12 Wang Dang Doodle 7:07 >> > > >> > > >> > > stream 'em at >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> http://www.robynhitchcock.com/wp-content/interface/audioflashpopup/trolleybusplayer.html >> > > >> > > woj >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> first things first, but not necessarily in that order... >> >> I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively >> packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... >> >> Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We >> gladly feast on those who would subdue us") >> > > > > -- > first things first, but not necessarily in that order... > > I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively > packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... > > Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We > gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:58:11 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: stream-a-go-go Got it -- thanks! 2010/12/22 2fs : > Thanks mucho! > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:20 PM, craigie* wrote: > >> And now you can all get it here; >> >> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H8AIXN9V >> >> The stream was mp3 sourced. >> >> I've done some remedial de-popping of Blue Moon of Kentucky, some >> intro/outro boosting, and the studio outtakes (which were mono) have been >> electronically reprocessed for stereo to enhance your listening pleasure. >> >> All the live tracks were lightly treated with pixie dust to widen the >> stereo. >> >> share and enjoy! >> >> c* >> >> On 21 December 2010 23:42, craigie* wrote: >> >> > It was me. >> > >> > I did it. >> > >> > will post onto M-Upload when tracksplit. Give me an hour... >> > >> > c* >> > >> > >> > On 21 December 2010 23:33, m swedene wrote: >> > >> > > anyone capture these yet? >> > > >> > > Mike >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:28 PM, ART ROCK POSTER wrote: >> > > >> > > > http://www.robynhitchcock.com/2010/12/21/sound-goodies/ >> > > > >> > > > Sound Goodies. >> > > > >> > > > Robyn has a set of 12 recently recorded, unreleased covers >> > > > available for you to take a listen to. The new tracks are >> > > > streaming ONLY (no downloads at this time) from the AudioBus >> at >> > > > the bottom right of this site. Below is a track listing. >> Hope >> > > > you enjoy! >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 1 Be Here Now 3:40 >> > > > 2 Blue Moon Of Kentucky 5:02 >> > > > 3 Candyman 7:16 >> > > > 4 Changes 3:42 >> > > > 5 Copper Kettle 4:44 >> > > > 6 I Still Miss Someone 3:48 >> > > > 7 Life On Mars 4:49 >> > > > 8 Pink Moon in C 3:40 >> > > > 9 Quicksand 5:50 >> > > > 10 Song For Bob Dylan 4:29 >> > > > 11 Very Cellular Song 12:38 >> > > > 12 Wang Dang Doodle 7:07 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > stream 'em at >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://www.robynhitchcock.com/wp-content/interface/audioflashpopup/trolleybusplayer.html >> > > > >> > > > woj >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > first things first, but not necessarily in that order... >> > >> > I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively >> > packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... >> > >> > Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We >> > gladly feast on those who would subdue us") >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> first things first, but not necessarily in that order... >> >> I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively >> packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... >> >> Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We >> gladly feast on those who would subdue us") >> > > > > -- > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:37:29 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: stream-a-go-go Craig Wood says: > >> And now you can all get it here; >> >> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H8AIXN9V much thanks for capturing it and uploading. xo p.s. one thing i will always love about fegList over FB is my lack of compulsion to use exclamation points here. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V18 #223 ********************************