From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V18 #206 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, November 12 2010 Volume 18 : Number 206 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Out of curiosity ... [FS Thomas ] Re: Out of curiosity ... [Rob ] Speaking of music list'nin [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Speaking of music list'nin [kevin studyvin ] Re: Speaking of music list'nin [Christopher Gross ] Re: Speaking of music list'nin [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Speaking of music list'nin ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Speaking of music list'nin [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Speaking of music list'nin [2fs ] Re: Speaking of music list'nin [Tom Clark ] Cthulhu attacks Burning Man [Steve Talkowski ] Natural's not in it. [Jeremy Osner ] Re: Natural's not in it. [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Speaking of music list'nin ["John B. Jones" ] Re: Speaking of music list'nin [ross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:21:20 -0500 From: FS Thomas Subject: Out of curiosity ... ... Does anyone know if the cigarette lighter plugs in British cars kick out the same volts/amps as American models? Plotting a trip and trying to noodle out the logistics. Thinking of bringing my (shit CDMA) Droid X as a make-shift sat-nav, but don't want to plug it into anything that makes it go pop. kthxbai ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:31:12 +0000 From: Rob Subject: Re: Out of curiosity ... British cars output 12 volts & I think normally it's a 15 amp fuse. Isn't it the same everywhere? I was tempted to wind you up and say that in Britain DC goes in the other direction but decided it was probably unwise. R PS Let me know if your plans involve the Liverpool or Manchester areas. On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:21 AM, FS Thomas wrote: > ... Does anyone know if the cigarette lighter plugs in British cars kick > out the same volts/amps as American models? > > Plotting a trip and trying to noodle out the logistics. Thinking of > bringing my (shit CDMA) Droid X as a make-shift sat-nav, but don't want to > plug it into anything that makes it go pop. > > kthxbai ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:12:36 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Speaking of music list'nin Here is a fun rant, with every word of which I don't agree but some interesting stuff: http://unclee.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/this-revolution-will-not-be-televised/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:57:35 -0800 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Speaking of music list'nin I feel his pain, but I've always been less of an absolutist. Instead of replacing all the old stuff every time a new generation of tech comes along, I waiti till the price comes into my range and simply add it on to the old system, which by now has become so complex that I'm the only one who can figure out how to do something as elementary as turn on the radio...but this does remind me that it's past time to back up the drive with the 19K+ tracks on it. On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Here is a fun rant, with every word of which I don't agree but some > interesting stuff: > > http://unclee.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/this-revolution-will-not-be-televised/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:25:18 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Speaking of music list'nin I'm curious how many people use shuffle as their main mode of listenin', as the author of the rant says. Me, I hit shuffle maybe once every month or two, and half the time it's only because someone tagged me in a shuffle-oriented Facebook note. And outside of the car, which I drive as little as possible, almost all of my music listening is either on an iPod or in iTunes. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:36:26 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Speaking of music list'nin - --On 12. November 2010 10:25:18 -0500 Christopher Gross wrote: > I'm curious how many people use shuffle as their main mode of listenin', > as the author of the rant says. Me, I hit shuffle maybe once every month > or two, and half the time it's only because someone tagged me in a > shuffle-oriented Facebook note. And outside of the car, which I drive as > little as possible, almost all of my music listening is either on an iPod > or in iTunes. I wouldn't say "main mode", but I'd guess that I listen about as much in shuffle mode as in ... hm, non-shuffle mode? Often I can't make up my mind and I find that I (re-)discover music that way that I wouldn't listen to otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:00:53 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Speaking of music list'nin On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Here is a fun rant, with every word of which I don't agree but some > interesting stuff: > > http://unclee.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/this-revolution-will-not-be-televised/ > Short version: Anyone stupid enough to think it's "record companies" who label Roxy Music's genre as "country/western" is, well, very stupid indeed. Longer version: Geez, you were dumb enough to not back anything up and then you're whining about it? And the idea that you should back up CDs on home-burned DVDs? Wha-? I'm not sure what record companies suing people for illegal downloading has to do with anything - although I suppose the guy wants to go back to the days when record companies just weren't paying musicians and songwriters at all instead, or the days of payola, or the days of - I mean, the business has always been near-criminal. As for British iTunes - there are other options, y'know? Even legal ones? Honestly: there is more music available now, usually in multiple formats, than there was in the past. And with due respect for the folks who think virgin vinyl on $25,000 sound systems is way better, for most people, the sound quality is better on average over the life of the music (at least it is if it's properly recorded in the first place...which has been a problem, true - but less driven by technology than by commercial imperatives: louder sounds better, so recordings keep getting louder, and you can really only do that by compressing the poop out of things. Granted, an LP had limits as to how much sound you could put there - I have a feeling that a lot of today's brick-lining recordings could only be on LP if they were either at low sound levels or limited to about 15 minutes per side - but... Okay, I guess the thing is, you can't unring a bell. You can't uninvent things, and if you want, you can still get good music, and you can get it on CD, or you can get it on LP. And if you're a hipster douchebag, nowadays you can even get it on prerecorded cassette if you're nostalgic for whooshy, tinny, mass-reproduced-at-24x-speed crap. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:01:09 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Speaking of music list'nin On 10-11-12 10:25 , Christopher Gross wrote: > I'm curious how many people use shuffle as their main mode of listenin', > as the author of the rant says. Basically, never. As a former colleague said, who'd experienced my music share, "Shuffling Stewart's music causes mental illness." Still looking for that elusive "Least Recently Played" playlist ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:02:07 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Re: Speaking of music list'nin Yeah I'm in Sebastian's boat -- I listen to shuffle a fair amount. I like that it brings neglected pockets of my music library to light, and occasionally it will hip me to two artists that go together nicely that I hadn't thought of by myself (the other day it paired Patsy Cline with Ernie Tubb, and I was flabbergasted that I had never done so on my own.) Also sometimes will be listening to an album and think of another album or two that would go nicely with it, and shuffle them in together. Also sometimes will love a particular shuffle and save it as a playlist, or add songs into it to make a playlist. J On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > --On 12. November 2010 10:25:18 -0500 Christopher Gross > wrote: > >> I'm curious how many people use shuffle as their main mode of listenin', >> as the author of the rant says. Me, I hit shuffle maybe once every month >> or two, and half the time it's only because someone tagged me in a >> shuffle-oriented Facebook note. And outside of the car, which I drive as >> little as possible, almost all of my music listening is either on an iPod >> or in iTunes. > > I wouldn't say "main mode", but I'd guess that I listen about as much in > shuffle mode as in ... hm, non-shuffle mode? Often I can't make up my mind > and I find that I (re-)discover music that way that I wouldn't listen to > otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:07:25 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Speaking of music list'nin On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: > I'm curious how many people use shuffle as their main mode of listenin', as > the author of the rant says. Me, I hit shuffle maybe once every month or > two, and half the time it's only because someone tagged me in a > shuffle-oriented Facebook note. And outside of the car, which I drive as > little as possible, almost all of my music listening is either on an iPod or > in iTunes. > > Not really. And even though I have one of those tiny iPods (a gift), I rarely use it. I've discovered my suspicions about that are correct: when I'm walking around, etc., I simply don't need to have music on. Besides, half the time there's (bad) music playing where I am, and either I have to turn my own up to uncomfortable volumes to blot it out, or it's instant Charles Ives headache hearing both at once. There are times it's useful: waiting while my car's being repaired, and since I'm flying solo out to SF in a month, on the plane it'll be useful...but otherwise: just don't need it. I'll occasionally listen in shuffle when there's nothing new in my library that I'm familiarizing myself with and I can't think of anything in particular I'm in the mood for, or if I just have a long backgroundy stretch of music to be played...but really, not that often. But I don't think people like us are exactly the music business's main demographic anymore - I mean, is anyone here even under 30 these days? (Also: the guy chooses an outmoded graphic alluding to DRM in iTunes - another clue to cluelessness...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:29:30 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Speaking of music list'nin On Nov 12, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: > I'm curious how many people use shuffle as their main mode of listenin', as the author of the rant says. Me, I hit shuffle maybe once every month or two, and half the time it's only because someone tagged me in a shuffle-oriented Facebook note. And outside of the car, which I drive as little as possible, almost all of my music listening is either on an iPod or in iTunes. I'm still mostly an album-at-a-time listener, except sometimes when I'm driving and my podcasts are exhausted I'll just hit shuffle - kinda like switching on the radio. Also at home while the wife is creating one of her gourmet meals we'll fire up the kitchen speakers and hit an iTunes Genius playlist. Those work wonders. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:21:58 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Cthulhu attacks Burning Man Brill... http://laughingsquid.com/cthulhu-attacks-burning-man-on-south-park/ - -Steve Steve Talkowski | Animation Director, Character Design & Toy Creator Blog: Sketchbot | Contact: stevetalkowski@mac.com | Twitter: stevetalkowski ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:26:08 -0500 From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Natural's not in it. http://blogs.canoe.ca/nowopen/general/gang-of-four-on-new-xbox-commercial/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:19:08 -0800 (PST) From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Natural's not in it. I noticed that - it turned my head, just as some new car commercial is using "If I should fall from grace from god" - I was like - What?!?! ea - --- On Fri, 11/12/10, Jeremy Osner wrote: From: Jeremy Osner Subject: Natural's not in it. To: "Pigworkers Local 47" Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 11:26 AM http://blogs.canoe.ca/nowopen/general/gang-of-four-on-new-xbox-commercial/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:23:28 -0800 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: Re: Speaking of music list'nin I listen to my ipod in Shuffle Album mode most of the time, and have those albums in various playlists (new stuff, 80's, experimental, faves, etc). JBJ On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Nov 12, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: > > > I'm curious how many people use shuffle as their main mode of listenin', > as the author of the rant says. Me, I hit shuffle maybe once every month or > two, and half the time it's only because someone tagged me in a > shuffle-oriented Facebook note. And outside of the car, which I drive as > little as possible, almost all of my music listening is either on an iPod or > in iTunes. > > I'm still mostly an album-at-a-time listener, except sometimes when I'm > driving and my podcasts are exhausted I'll just hit shuffle - kinda like > switching on the radio. Also at home while the wife is creating one of her > gourmet meals we'll fire up the kitchen speakers and hit an iTunes Genius > playlist. Those work wonders. > > -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:38:39 -0500 From: ross Subject: Re: Speaking of music list'nin > I'm curious how many people use shuffle as their main mode of listenin', > Shuffle is fine for I'm at work. Otherwise, it's almost always by album. Shuffle is more work than it's worth when you're doing it with LPs, and you lose the benefit of all that careful sequencing work the album producer put in. Guys like the author were a boon to me. I picked up a very cool B&O linear tracking turntable for a song (could bang on the plinth with my fist without making the record skip) and a couple of thousand albums. Thanks for dumping them, chump! Still got my vinyl, still got my cassettes (though I never really bought into that format), still got my 8-tracks (and a *recorder*!), still got my CDs. They'll be my kids' problem when I leave this orb. Oh yeah, about satellite radio? Not less cool than my music collection, because I can't get introduced to anything new by my collection. Satellite radio can do what broadcast used to do for me before they lost their cojsnes. That said, I still don't have satellite radio because I remember too well when I could get that for free. So I gripe instead. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V18 #206 ********************************