From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V18 #155 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 12 2010 Volume 18 : Number 155 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: tapes and whatnot ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Record Club #5 and #6 - Rex then Nuppy (or vice versa) [lep ] Re: tapes and whatnot [2fs ] Re: tapes and whatnot [kevin studyvin ] Re: tapes and whatnot [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: tapes and whatnot ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: copyright, fees and stuff [Christopher Gross ] Re: copyright, fees and stuff [2fs ] Re: Record Club #5 and #6 - Rex then Nuppy (or vice versa) ["Bri N" ] Re: Record Club #5 and #6 - Rex then Nuppy (or vice versa) [lep Subject: Re: tapes and whatnot On 10-08-11 09:52 , Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > It's making a comeback, too. Many hi-end manufacturers are using > reel-to-reel machines to demo their equipment. And companies like > http://www.tapeproject.com/ are selling new tapes and upgraded > machines. Oh ffs; $300+ for an album?!* Their *budget* tape head preamp is $800, unassembled. Standard audiophile gear porn pictures. Probably only affordable by folks old enough to be well down the dynamic listening range. Seriously: fuck that noise. Stewart *: at that rate, my music collection would have cost over $530,000. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:03:01 -0400 From: lep Subject: Record Club #5 and #6 - Rex then Nuppy (or vice versa) The HP-11C Oracle has chosen Feg position #2 on The Coughing List who is Rex Broome. NB: Rex hasn't been on FegList as of late; he'll have a day (i.e. 24 hours) to respond to this e-mail or upload an album. Otherwise, Rex will be Record Club #6. If Rex doesn't respond, the HP-11C Oracle has chosen backup Brian N., aka Nuppy. So Nuppy will choose Record Club #5 or #6, depending on Rex's response or lack thereof. as ever, Lauren P.S. My apologies for not participating in the Record Club discussions - -- it takes me a while to have anything to say about music I haven't heard before, and anyway, I have to attend to the every need and desire of the HP-11C Oracle (which mostly amounts to not losing it.)) - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 00:22:04 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: tapes and whatnot On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 10-08-11 09:52 , Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > > > It's making a comeback, too. Many hi-end manufacturers are using > > reel-to-reel machines to demo their equipment. And companies like > > http://www.tapeproject.com/ are selling new tapes and upgraded > > machines. > > Oh ffs; $300+ for an album?!* Their *budget* tape head preamp is $800, > unassembled. Standard audiophile gear porn pictures. Probably only > affordable by folks old enough to be well down the dynamic listening range. > > It's a curious set of facts that (1) most performing musicians I've known have rather rinky-dink stereos, and (2) most audiophiles I've known or heard of have abysmal musical taste. I mean (re #2), sure, Pink Floyd's _The Final Cut_ might present breathtakingly realistic recordings capturing all the audio excitement involving air molecules navigating the several square inches deep inside Roger Water's mouth, but everything is taken at a molasses tempo and seems designed to win a contest involving "how boring and uninteresting a song can you write around your father having died in a war?" Uh, okay: done now. There should be good sound, and there should be good music, and the two should go together, and the good sound and good music shouldn't cost a zillion dollars, and "good enough" at 1/100th the cost is going to be preferable over "good" at such price breaks. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 00:23:11 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: tapes and whatnot On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 10-08-11 09:52 , Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > > > It's making a comeback, too. Many hi-end manufacturers are using > > reel-to-reel machines to demo their equipment. And companies like > > http://www.tapeproject.com/ are selling new tapes and upgraded > > machines. > > Oh ffs; $300+ for an album?!* Their *budget* tape head preamp is $800, > unassembled. Standard audiophile gear porn pictures. > Dude, read the fine print: every album comes with a FREE BLOWJOB! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:39:19 -0700 From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: tapes and whatnot > sure, Pink Floyd's _The Final > Cut_ might present breathtakingly realistic recordings capturing all the > audio excitement involving air molecules navigating the several square > inches deep inside Roger Water's mouth, but everything is taken at a > molasses tempo and seems designed to win a contest involving "how boring > and > uninteresting a song can you write around your father having died in a > war?" > Still never heard it. Never saw any reason to. The Wall was whiny and self-absorbed enough for at least one lifetime. (I liked Radio KAOS though, and still did the last time I gave it a listen.) I like to think Pink Floyd floated away on a giant inflatable sheep after Animals, and all subsequent releases are the work of clones and holograms. > > Uh, okay: done now. There should be good sound, and there should be good > music, and the two should go together, and the good sound and good music > shouldn't cost a zillion dollars, and "good enough" at 1/100th the cost is > going to be preferable over "good" at such price breaks. > Yeah, what Jeff said. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:57:11 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: tapes and whatnot - --On 12. August 2010 00:22:04 -0500 2fs wrote: > It's a curious set of facts that (1) most performing musicians I've known > have rather rinky-dink stereos, and (2) most audiophiles I've known or > heard of have abysmal musical taste. I mean (re #2), sure, Pink Floyd's > _The Final Cut_ might present breathtakingly realistic recordings > capturing all the audio excitement involving air molecules navigating the > several square inches deep inside Roger Water's mouth, but everything is > taken at a molasses tempo and seems designed to win a contest involving > "how boring and uninteresting a song can you write around your father > having died in a war?" I agree wholeheartedly on everything you wrote (as I ususally seem to do), but I like "The Final Cut" better than you do. It's not a record I listen to very often, but when I do, or when a song pops up in shuffle mode - as it did just last week - I enjoy it. Maybe the secret is not to take it as seriously as Roger Waters did :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:42:15 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: tapes and whatnot so apt today: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:47:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: copyright, fees and stuff Thank you, everyone who responded publicly and privately. It's all been very helpful. And if anyone has anything more to add, please keep it coming! Personally, I never thought of playing music in a restaurant, cafe, cool used bookstore, etc. as a "performance." It's just background decoration, of debatable monetary value to the business playing it. Having to pay extra for playing their own, legally purchased CDs in the restaurant seemed as weird as an artist selling them a painting, then charging an extra "public display fee" when they hung the painting in the restaurant. (Or do people actually do that?) But to be fair, it's probably impossible to draw a clear line between that and what I would consider a real "public performance." - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:12:11 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: copyright, fees and stuff On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: > Thank you, everyone who responded publicly and privately. It's all been > very helpful. And if anyone has anything more to add, please keep it coming! > > Personally, I never thought of playing music in a restaurant, cafe, cool > used bookstore, etc. as a "performance." It's just background decoration, of > debatable monetary value to the business playing it. > If it were of debatable monetary value, then more places would just not do it. But in fact, music plays a key role in establishing the ambiance of a place, as well as providing a generalized coverup for annoying noises - which is why it's very rare to find a bar or restaurant that does not have music playing. And of course, if a bar/restaurant features live music that includes covers, they pay a similar fee, for similar reasons. As for the "but they already bought the CD": the thinking is that CDs/records/etc. are for individual consumption, not to play publicly over a PA system. Actually, it's surprising to me that people don't know about the fees bars etc. pay - I thought that was sort of common knowledge. Guess I'm a possessor of *uncommon* knowledge instead. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:26:01 -0700 From: "Bri N" Subject: Re: Record Club #5 and #6 - Rex then Nuppy (or vice versa) I'll keepp watch for Rex then.. though I'm on digest... Thanks Lep! - -Nuppy - --- softboygirl@gmail.com wrote: From: lep To: "a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil!" Cc: Rex Broome , feg nuppy Subject: Record Club #5 and #6 - Rex then Nuppy (or vice versa) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:03:01 -0400 The HP-11C Oracle has chosen Feg position #2 on The Coughing List who is Rex Broome. NB: Rex hasn't been on FegList as of late; he'll have a day (i.e. 24 hours) to respond to this e-mail or upload an album. Otherwise, Rex will be Record Club #6. If Rex doesn't respond, the HP-11C Oracle has chosen backup Brian N., aka Nuppy. So Nuppy will choose Record Club #5 or #6, depending on Rex's response or lack thereof. as ever, Lauren P.S. My apologies for not participating in the Record Club discussions - -- it takes me a while to have anything to say about music I haven't heard before, and anyway, I have to attend to the every need and desire of the HP-11C Oracle (which mostly amounts to not losing it.)) - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another."B -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:03:23 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Fwd: tapes and whatnot - ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "2fs" To: "Coughing Vikings" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:22:04 AM Subject: Re: tapes and whatnot On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 10-08-11 09:52 , Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > > > It's making a comeback, too. Many hi-end manufacturers are using > > reel-to-reel machines to demo their equipment. And companies like > > http://www.tapeproject.com/ are selling new tapes and upgraded > > machines. > > Oh ffs; $300+ for an album?!* Their *budget* tape head preamp is $800, > unassembled. Standard audiophile gear porn pictures. Probably only > affordable by folks old enough to be well down the dynamic listening range. > > Jeff of Norman came back with: It's a curious set of facts that (1) most performing musicians I've known have rather rinky-dink stereos, and (2) most audiophiles I've known or heard of have abysmal musical taste. I mean (re #2), sure, Pink Floyd's _The Final Cut_ might present breathtakingly realistic recordings capturing all the audio excitement involving air molecules navigating the several square inches deep inside Roger Water's mouth, but everything is taken at a molasses tempo and seems designed to win a contest involving "how boring and uninteresting a song can you write around your father having died in a war?" Uh, okay: done now. There should be good sound, and there should be good music, and the two should go together, and the good sound and good music shouldn't cost a zillion dollars, and "good enough" at 1/100th the cost is going to be preferable over "good" at such price breaks. Right. Good example is an album I playedB yesterday for the first time in years, B X - Under The Big Black Sun . Good Music and B good sound (especially on the 2001 reissue). It rocks like a mother and has great lyrics and didn't cost a bundle to make. Tom Scholz of Boston spent B four years B plus recording, tossing out, rerecording etc, finishing each of Boston's last three studio albums. A perfection nut to the max. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:14:30 +0000 (UTC) From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: tapes and whatnot - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastian Hagedorn" To: "2fs" Cc: "Coughing Vikings" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:57:11 AM Subject: Re: tapes and whatnot - --On 12. August 2010 00:22:04 -0500 2fs wrote: > >It's a curious set of facts that (1) most performing musicians I've known > >have rather rinky-dink stereos, and (2) most audiophiles I've known or > >heard of have abysmal musical taste. I mean (re #2), sure, Pink Floyd's > >_The Final Cut_ might present breathtakingly realistic recordings > > capturing all the audio excitement involving air molecules navigating the > >several square inches deep inside Roger Water's mouth, but everything is > > taken at a molasses tempo and seems designed to win a contest involving > >"how boring and uninteresting a song can you write around your father > >having died in a war?" >I agree wholeheartedly on everything you wrote (as I ususally seem to do), >but I like "The Final Cut" better than you do. It's not a record I listen >to very often, but when I do, or when a song pops up in shuffle mode - as >it did just last week - I enjoy it. Maybe the secret is not to take it as >seriously as Roger Waters did :) "Not Now John" from The Final Cut got some MTV airplay around 1983 as I recall.B It's not bad, but none of the other songs on the album did much for me. Besides Piper, the only other FloydB albums I'll listen to is Wish You Were Here and Mettle. I'm giving Dark Side a rest for next few years. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:33:38 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: tapes and whatnot On 12 August 2010 13:03, wrote: > > Tom Scholz of Boston spent four years plus recording, tossing out, > rerecording etc, finishing each of Boston's last three studio albums. It is a great loss to society that he felt the need to continue after tossing them out. Stewart - -- http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:41:28 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: Record Club #5 and #6 - Rex then Nuppy (or vice versa) Nuppy says: > I'll keepp watch for Rex then.. though I'm on digest... Thanks Lep! > -Nuppy You're up, Nuppy. Rex will be #6 if he rears his head. Otherwise, The Oracle HP-11C will decide #6 after a week or two. as ever, Lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:54:16 -0700 From: "Bri N" Subject: Re: Record Club #5 and #6 - Rex then Nuppy (or vice versa) - --- softboygirl@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: Record Club #5 and #6 - Rex then Nuppy (or vice versa) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:41:28 -0400 You're up, Nuppy. Rex will be #6 if he rears his head. Otherwise, The Oracle HP-11C will decide #6 after a week or two. as ever, Lauren - --------------------- 1982 The Monochrome Set "Eligible Bachelors" http://www.sendspace.com/file/hfs6h7 OK then! I had it in my head to upload Bruce Woolley and the Camera Club's "ENGLISH GARDEN" from 1979 not only because it's great but because Matthew Seligman was also recording this album while he was recording Underwater Moonlight. There had been another 'feg' relation due to the rhythm section being the same as RH's 1982 effort Groovy Decoy songs. Makes you wonder how those songs with Matthew and Rod Johnson could've been with a different producer than Mr. Hillage. But I'm going with Eligible Bachelors instead due to recent events. Not sure if many know- about two weeks ago MSet singer, Bid had an "aneurysmal subarachnoid haemorrhage" (or a brain aneurysm) that resulted in the canceling of several Scarlet's Well gigs in Germany and (reunited) Monochrome Set gigs in Japan and Europe this fall. Looks like they are still reforming which is great but Bid is lucky to be alive and on the norm function wise. If if you ever wondered what Morris Windsor was doing in 1982 he was the drummer with the Monochrome Set during this albums tour (but not on the album). Enjoy, Bri N uppy ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V18 #155 ********************************