From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V18 #154 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, August 11 2010 Volume 18 : Number 154 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Couple questions - one Robyn, one without [m swedene ] Re: Couple questions - one Robyn, one without [bayard ] copyright, fees and stuff [Christopher Gross ] Re: copyright, fees and stuff [2fs ] Re: copyright, fees and stuff [2fs ] Things you should know about Elsinore [David Witzany Subject: Re: Couple questions - one Robyn, one without From the archives (1995): From: RobertZ919@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 19:13:38 -0400 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Questions on Soft Boys 78 session tape |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||Can of Bees Alternates & Rehearsals ||||||||||||||||||||||| Hello Fegwomen & men, I have a C90 that I need help identifying some of the songs on, due to them being outtakes. For anyone with the same tape, if you know the ?? tunes can you fill in the blanks as it's been driving me nuts (sorry 'bout the bad guesses) A: Can of Bees-alternates, outtakes-all studio recorded Human music Look into your mirror ???Be My Ape??? Ralph, Give Me A Spanner The Pigworker Return of the Sacred Crab Where are the prawns? Sandra's..... ???Pychedelic Love Ole??? rehearsals-not studio but open mic recording Let me put it next to you Starnge tk 1 & 2 Rat's Prayer B: ???Vegetable Girl???? Pretty Woman Have a Heart, Betty ???Wang Dang Hog??? ???I'm An Alien???? Old Pervert ???Instrumental in G???? I wanna appreciate you Smoothie(like a real) ?Rock and Roll Radio Queen? ?Lonesome death of Ian Penman? ??Wang dang hog #2?? ???I'm an Alien #2, #3??? If anyone who has this same recording can identify the tunes with the ?? I'll send ya' a candy apple or something ..... Danke Rob I myself do not have this.... Mike [][][][][][][][][][] On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:48 PM, bayard wrote: > I was compiling tracks for the next "Glass Flesh" and I came upon one cover > of the song "Rock and Roll Radio Queen." Research shows it was apparently > on a (Soft boys?) rehearsal tape, but never released. It's not on any of > the albums. Is this an RH original that never fully gestated? Does anyone > have the rehearsal recording in question, and could provide to me? > > Also - I am assisting with a publication project and need a goodly number > of > stock photos. I have looked at many online sources, and they vary a bit in > how they charge and what they offer. Can anyone make a recommendation on > purchasing stock photos? (Or getting free ones, if such a thing exists?) > I > can tell you more about what I'm working on if you will be so kind as to > reply via my email. Many thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:02:46 -0400 From: m swedene Subject: Re: Couple questions - one Robyn, one without again referenced in 1996: - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:18:54 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Assa Subject: tapeing - no robyn content I want to tape shows and I don't eally have any idea where to start. What is the best type of recording device to use (full size tape, mini tape)? What brand? What should I use for a microphone (built in or external)? you know, the usual questions... - --------------------------------------------------- 1. Earth is 98% full. Please delete anyone you can. 2. I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. 3. The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:13:28 -0800 From: cagedrat@ix.netcom.com (Smegmaniax ) Subject: Soft Boys Sessions Hi Aidan (if it is you, Mr Flash), Thanks for the info on the Alaska 1980 sessions by The Soft Boys. I seem to be missing versions of a few of them and complete titles as A Skull...., Fucked Up..., Horns large horns I do have these on tape listed below. If you can shed any light on them as far as: Are they correctly labelled, dated, any appear the same as Alaska? I used the Ryko Reissues and some of the Bucketful of Brains articles for dates, the CD's themselves to compare versions on the studio tracks and speed corrected them as well. Some of the UM tracks are the same but not no ted below. Rob Z aka Johnny Thunders Can Of Bees Alternates And Outtakes Human Music Look Into Your Mirror Which Of Us Us Me Ralph, Give Me A Spanner The Pigworker Return Of The Sacred Crab Where Are The Prawns? Sandra's Having Her Brain Out Psychedelic Love Rehearsal Sessions 1978(?) Let Me Put It Next To You Strange 1 & 2 The Rat's Prayer Vegetable Girl Pretty Woman Have A Heart, Betty Wang Dang Pig Alien Old Pervert Instr. In G or D or some other bloody chord I Wanna Appreciate You Smoothie Rock And Roll Radio Queen 1 & 2 Lonesome Death Of Ian Penman Wang Dang Pig Alien 2 & 3 March 1977 Robyn's Living Room (chris Hamburger tape) Give It To The Soft Boys It's Not The Size Of A Walnut Ugly Nora Wey Wey Hep Uh Hole Look Into Your Mirror Where Are The Prawns? Innocent Boy - -Alternates/Outtakes The Pigworker Sandra's Having Her Brain Out Human Music Look Into Your Mirror Ugly Nora (Cut) Underwater Moonlight Alternates Wey Wey Hep Uh Hole When I Was A Kid Rock And Roll Toilet Look Into Your Mirror Have A Heart, Betty There's A Hole In Your Heart The Asking Tree Muriel's Hoof/Rout Of The Clones Instrumental (Cut) - -- PSA (BAD DAY) R.E.M. Radio no, play the game, three words, first one short, magazine, book, cinema, N - O - down, many fears are gone, step down, step down, watch a heel crush, ah this means war - ------------------------------ On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 6:54 PM, m swedene wrote: > From the archives (1995): > > From: RobertZ919@aol.com > Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 19:13:38 -0400 > To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu > Subject: Questions on Soft Boys 78 session tape > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||Can of Bees Alternates & > Rehearsals ||||||||||||||||||||||| > > Hello Fegwomen & men, > > I have a C90 that I need help identifying some of the songs on, due to them > being outtakes. For anyone with the same tape, if you know the ?? tunes > can > you fill in the blanks as it's been driving me nuts (sorry 'bout the bad > guesses) > > A: Can of Bees-alternates, outtakes-all studio recorded > Human music > Look into your mirror > ???Be My Ape??? > Ralph, Give Me A Spanner > The Pigworker > Return of the Sacred Crab > Where are the prawns? > Sandra's..... > ???Pychedelic Love Ole??? > > rehearsals-not studio but open mic recording > Let me put it next to you > Starnge tk 1 & 2 > Rat's Prayer > > B: > ???Vegetable Girl???? > Pretty Woman > Have a Heart, Betty > ???Wang Dang Hog??? > ???I'm An Alien???? > Old Pervert > ???Instrumental in G???? > I wanna appreciate you > Smoothie(like a real) > ?Rock and Roll Radio Queen? > ?Lonesome death of Ian Penman? > ??Wang dang hog #2?? > ???I'm an Alien #2, #3??? > > If anyone who has this same recording can identify the tunes with the ?? > I'll > send ya' a candy apple or something ..... > > Danke > Rob > > I myself do not have this.... > > Mike > > > [][][][][][][][][][] > > > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:48 PM, bayard wrote: > > > I was compiling tracks for the next "Glass Flesh" and I came upon one > cover > > of the song "Rock and Roll Radio Queen." Research shows it was > apparently > > on a (Soft boys?) rehearsal tape, but never released. It's not on any of > > the albums. Is this an RH original that never fully gestated? Does > anyone > > have the rehearsal recording in question, and could provide to me? > > > > Also - I am assisting with a publication project and need a goodly number > > of > > stock photos. I have looked at many online sources, and they vary a bit > in > > how they charge and what they offer. Can anyone make a recommendation on > > purchasing stock photos? (Or getting free ones, if such a thing exists?) > > I > > can tell you more about what I'm working on if you will be so kind as to > > reply via my email. Many thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:34:52 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Couple questions - one Robyn, one without On 10-08-10 18:54 , m swedene wrote: > > ?Lonesome death of Ian Penman? Heh. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:52:52 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: tapes and whatnot > From: kevin studyvin > > Read something, somewhere, sometime where Miles Davis' producer Teo Macero > started bitching (c. early 1960s) about the unnatural frequency tweaks > required by LP mastering, and how the LPs never sounded as good as tape > because so much information was lost. So there's one perspective. Miles was correct. Open-reel tape has long been considered the medium with the greatest fidelity to the master. Its popularity declined with the advent of the LP, which many thought more convenient (gee, where have I heard that story before?). Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin both used 3-channel stereos with tape machines to listen to and review their recordings. It's making a comeback, too. Many hi-end manufacturers are using reel-to-reel machines to demo their equipment. And companies like http://www.tapeproject.com/ are selling new tapes and upgraded machines. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:00:35 -0400 From: bayard Subject: Re: Couple questions - one Robyn, one without Thanks Herbie! I found it - it's a rehearsal from the Underwater Moonlight sessions. It seems to have been released on the ultra-comprehensive UM release from last time around. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 7:02 PM, m swedene wrote: > again referenced in 1996: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:51:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: copyright, fees and stuff Some friends of mine own a couple of small independent restaurants in Rhode Island. They provide background music by just playing their own CDs and iPods on an ordinary stereo system. Recently some guy claiming to represent ASCAP (and BMI?) showed up and told them they had to pay a licensing fee to play any music at a restaurant. Do any of you Fegs out there know how this works, and if my friends are getting scammed? Isn't there a minimum audience/business size you have to reach before you have to pay? How can the Guy be sure that the artists they're playing are actually represented by ASCAP? (They range from the Beatles to obscure Lebanese folk singers. The Guy said pretty much all music falls under ASCAP's domain.) What about playing the radio in your restaurant -- can you do that for free, since the radio station has already paid off ASCAP? And who was the Guy, anyway? Does ASCAP have agents roaming the country, or do freelancers seek out vulnerable-looking businesses and inform on them to ASCAP for a cut of the fees, or what? Thanks for any information you can provide.... - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:50:10 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: copyright, fees and stuff On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: > Some friends of mine own a couple of small independent restaurants in Rhode > Island. They provide background music by just playing their own CDs and > iPods on an ordinary stereo system. Recently some guy claiming to represent > ASCAP (and BMI?) showed up and told them they had to pay a licensing fee to > play any music at a restaurant. Do any of you Fegs out there know how this > works, and if my friends are getting scammed? Isn't there a minimum > audience/business size you have to reach before you have to pay? How can > the Guy be sure that the artists they're playing are actually represented by > ASCAP? (They range from the Beatles to obscure Lebanese folk singers. The > Guy said pretty much all music falls under ASCAP's domain.) What about > playing the radio in your restaurant -- can you do that for free, since the > radio station has already paid off ASCAP? And who was the Guy, anyway? Does > ASCAP have agents roaming the country, or do freelancers seek out > vulnerable-looking businesses and inform on them to ASCAP for a cut of the > fees, or what? Thanks for any information you can provide.... > Coincidentally, the NY Times just had an article on this: < http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/magazine/08music-t.html?hpw> Short answer: Most likely, yes, they do have to pay. The rates depend upon such factors as volume, etc. I don't think it makes a difference whether it's the radio - it's still a public performance in terms of a single instance of the songs playing to multiple, unrelated people in a public place. It doesn't matter whether it's BMI or ASCAP: first of all, their licensing situations are nearly the same; second, nearly all music is published by either (or both: a common stratagem bands use to make sure they're getting all such royalties is, if there are two songwriters co-writing everything, to have one publish with BMI and the other with ASCAP: if the two statements don't match, they can figure out where the missing royalties should be). Pretty much the only way out of paying such fees is to play *only* unpublished music: original songs by unsigned artists who don't have publishing deals (no covers, either). If your friends know a bunch of local musicians who are willing to donate recordings, I suppose they could make that work, if it's sort of a hipsteresque market...but for the most part, the reason places have music is to provide a note of familiarity by way of people hearing music they know or sort of know. Your friends should probably contact BMI and ASCAP themselves, just in case The Guy was a scam artist. Technically, there may be some sort of penalty for not having paid...but I suspect if they're able to plead ignorance and to be good customers henceforth, it wouldn't be too onerous. The Times article mentions rates - sounds like it wouldn't be *too* terrible a burden. In some ways I'm surprised that loan officers aren't trained to mention this sort of thing to prospective bar/restaurant owners: if they want to analyze whether folks can meet prospective expenses, this is one that almost any such place is going to have, unless it has no music at all (which is rare, of course). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:51:39 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: copyright, fees and stuff Also: I'm pretty sure the rates are not dependent upon the particular material played: in other words, they can't just play only super-obscure stuff and hope it costs less. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: > Some friends of mine own a couple of small independent restaurants in Rhode > Island. They provide background music by just playing their own CDs and > iPods on an ordinary stereo system. Recently some guy claiming to represent > ASCAP (and BMI?) showed up and told them they had to pay a licensing fee to > play any music at a restaurant. Do any of you Fegs out there know how this > works, and if my friends are getting scammed? Isn't there a minimum > audience/business size you have to reach before you have to pay? How can > the Guy be sure that the artists they're playing are actually represented by > ASCAP? (They range from the Beatles to obscure Lebanese folk singers. The > Guy said pretty much all music falls under ASCAP's domain.) What about > playing the radio in your restaurant -- can you do that for free, since the > radio station has already paid off ASCAP? And who was the Guy, anyway? Does > ASCAP have agents roaming the country, or do freelancers seek out > vulnerable-looking businesses and inform on them to ASCAP for a cut of the > fees, or what? Thanks for any information you can provide.... > > > --Chris > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. > chrisg@gwu.edu > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:25:18 -0500 (CDT) From: David Witzany Subject: Things you should know about Elsinore You can download the title track from their new album today at Emusic: http://www.emusic.com/dailydownloads/toolbar/main.html You can stream the whole dang thing at Spinner: http://www.spinner.com/new-releases#/16 They're the best thing to come out of Champaign-Urbana since the Poster Children, and they're way better than REO Speedwagon. I'm interested to hear if anyone here doesn't like this album. It seems right up our collective alleys, although I suppose there must be an outlier lying out there somewhere. Dave. David Witzany ...one of nature's witzany@uiuc.edu bounds checkers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:23:02 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Things you should know about Elsinore On 10-08-11 15:25 , David Witzany wrote: > > I'm interested to hear if anyone here doesn't like this album. It > seems right up our collective alleys, although I suppose there must > be an outlier lying out there somewhere. Well, they certainly put the snore in Elsinore. If you like this, I don't know what you'd do if you heard Ideal Free Distribution or Someone Still Loves You Boris Yeltsin. Probably explode in a cloud of pink marshmallow joy. I know I do. Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V18 #154 ********************************